not that there is anything wrong with what FACT does, i just bristle a bit at the reaction that the list gets every year. at least half of that stuff is just boring as shit.
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
true, but i guess that's why they're down at the bottom end of the list. expecting to see stuff like julia holter and pinch & shackleton in the top 20 and those are pretty innovative imo xp
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
and they won't get a mention elsewhere
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
damu and legowelt are good!
i thought v-shasty WAS deej?
white label techno is better than white indie rock, this is obv
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
(not that i'm particularly repping for the fact list but it's waaaaay preferable to paste)
maybe v-shasty IS deej
lex i probably agree with you but it doesn't make the list any less 'boring' from a distance
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
v-nasty g vastgarten more like
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
almost
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
the mysterious dave cool?
― dope, goons and thuggin’ in the street (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
xpI think it's the "distance" thing that I don't get or at least don't share. I don't need FACT to try to cover the immense terrain of all music in 2011. I just want them to remind me to listen to stuff I missed or skipped. Telling me what they like in their little microcosm is useful to me not boring. But I'm not a music critic, so these lists are better as tools--basically glorified playlists--rather than barometers of taste or what's "important" in music. But I guess I'm not sure what you're looking for in a year-end list. what makes a list not boring?
― rob (night house), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
i like the fact list (this year and every year). i always forget to check their site the rest of the year, and so it's usually full of stuff i'm not familiar with. i end up disliking a good chunk of the music, but always find at least a handful of albums that are great.
― Z S, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
i also like the FACT list. some of the stuff on it is boring -- that's true of every publication's aggregated list -- but much of it is fascinating and throws a light on underappreciated titles.
1. Nicholas Szczepanik, 'Please Stop Loving Me'2. The Psychic Paramount, 'II'3. Bill Orcutt, 'How The Things Sing'4. Julia Holter, 'Tragedy'5. Glenn Jones, 'The Wanting'
hm. i haven't even heard of four of these albums. i know of bill orcutt (he of the album cover with all the cool, multi-colored picks), but i haven't heard his solo stuff.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
I don't need FACT to try to cover the immense terrain of all music in 2011. I just want them to remind me to listen to stuff I missed or skipped. Telling me what they like in their little microcosm is useful to me not boring.
i get this. my point is that paste does EXACTLY this as well, but for "uncool"/"bad" music, and it's been decried all over the internet (including by myself!).
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
the psychic paramount album is so good
― n/a, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
that's the one from the top of that list that i have!
i like it, but the opening note/chord is so loud/abrasive that it sometimes is offputting.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
(i am old)
Yep, this album is so great.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
I'm with the Paste-defenders: I won't check out much on their list because it's far from my taste but at least it doesn't look like anyone else's offering. I much prefer seeing lists of albums I didn't know about than endlessly repeating examples of GAPDY syndrome (what's the 2011 equivalent?).
― sean doily, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Psychic Paramount is cool.
― J3ff T., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
pp is my fave rock album this year, maybe fave period.
― dr. strongo, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
― sean doily, Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:17 PM (5 minutes ago)
what? paste's list looks like every other indie lise
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, they really went out on a limb with that Fleet Foxes-Bon Iver one two
― Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i wasn't coming out in favor of the paste list
― v-shasty, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
huh on second glance you're right. I just remembered the Dale Earnhardt/Middle Brother combo (no idea who they are) and assumed there was lots more of that. Delete post.
― sean doily, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
This is not the first time deej has criticized FACT (if it is deej); I remember maybe last year comparing it to Pitchfork for Resident Advisor enthusiasts or something along those lines. Anyways, I like the FACT list bcz it has a bunch of albums on it I like and wanted to hear.
And the Psychic Paramount album is rad, though I might like the Cosmic Dead album more...
― ruth m4rcus is a mor4n (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
No one is playing acoustic guitar like Bill Orcutt right now. No one.
Eugene Chadbourne still playin shows iirc
― dealwithit.gif, Thursday, 1 December 2011 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
1. Nicholas Szczepanik, 'Please Stop Loving Me'
this is a really good record, i think
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
the FACT list is p garbage btw
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
very controversial
veeeery controversial
― Z S, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link
why dont you childish my gambino
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
I've seen the light!
― ruth m4rcus is a mor4n (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
MOJO EOY 2011
1: PJ Harvey - Let England Shake2: The Horrors - Skying3: Fleet Foxes - Helplessness Blues4: Jonathan Wilson - Gentle Spirit5: Kate Bush - 50 Words For Snow6: White Denim - D7: Josh T Pearson - Last Of The Country Gentlemen8: Anna Calvi - Anna Calvi9: Tom Waits - Bad As Me10: Wild Beasts - Smother11: Laura Marling - A Creature I Dont Know12: Kurt Vile - Smoke Rings For My Halo13: Cat's Eyes - Cat's Eyes14: King Creosote & Jon Hopkins - Diamond Mine15: Paul Simon - So Beautiful Or So What16: Bon Iver - Bon Iver17: Bill Wells & Aidan Moffat - Everything's Getting Older18: Thurston Moore - Demolished Thoughts19: James Blake - James Blake20: My Morning Jacket - Circuital21: The War On Drugs - Slave Ambient22: Beirut - The Rip Tide23: Bill Callahan - Apocalypse24: EMA - Past Life Martyred Saints25: The Stepkids - The Stepkids26: Drive-By Truckers - Go-Go Boots27: Arbouretum - The Gathering28: Lykke Li - Wounded Rhymes29: Wilco - The Whole Love30: Girls - Father, Son, Holy Ghost31: Nick Lowe - That Old Magic32: Bjork - Biophilia33: Glenn Jones - The Wanting34: Gillian Welch - The Harrow & The Harvest35: Tinariwen - Tassili36: Shabazz Palaces - Black Up37: Duane Eddy - Road Trip38: The Sand Bag - All Through The Night39: Arctic Monkeys - Suck It And See40: Charles Bradley - No Time For Dreaming41: Destroyer - Kaputt42: Booker T. Jones - The Road From Memphis43: Gwilym Simcock - Good Days At Scholss Elmau44: Glen Campbell - Ghost On The Canvas45: Tuneyards - Whokill46: Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds47: Radiohead: The King Of Limbs48: Wire - Red Barked Tree49: Frank Ocean - Nostalgia, Ultra50: Joe Henry - Revere
― domish gassambino (pomplamau5), Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
people are really rating that Bjork album solely because it's Bjork IMO
― OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i'm the only one obsessed with the new Atlas Sound! :-/
― Z S, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
eh, trying being obsessed with the new Lamb
― OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
bjork is top 20 in the guardian list
50-11 are here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/01/best-albums-2011
― domish gassambino (pomplamau5), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
I'll definitely top-10 the Lamb in our poll.
At least Idolator (and only Idolator) recognized the new Oh Land, though most of their list is well marketed money-pop.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
I do not see at all what ppl are getting from GSH/Jamie XX; everything about that album just screams mediocrity to me
― OH NOES, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
GSH/Jamie XX votes are post-mortem tribute, methinks.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
lex will be disappointed he didn't manage to bump drake into the top 10 of that guardian poll
― pandemic, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
i'm thrilled that the pistol annies album got enough votes from people-other-than-me to make the top 50
― lex pretend, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
i agree with OH NOES about björk and gil scott-xx
as for drake, i have said my piece, and now i shall just sit back and JUDGE anyone who lowers themselves to rep for him
― lex pretend, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
Kind of OT, but less so here than elsewhere: Johnny F, J0rdan S and I have talked (very briefly) about running the ILM EOY again since it seemed to work well last year. We'll probably wait until the post-sandbox era to start nominations, assuming said era encroaches in the next week or two. Voting from the start of January, probably.
― sean doily, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
bigger run down (top 75?) pretty please?
― the gas-cramp dilla (pomplamau5), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
yes! i have been looking fwd to it all year (not even a joke)
though every time i remember how much you lot love destroyer i stop looking forward to it
― lex pretend, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Last year we did a top 77!
― sean doily, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, please wait until the end of the year proper to run the poll. I know there won't be that many December albums that make it anyway, but I like to feel like the year is finished before I do an overview of it.
Top 77 is good for me.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
oh shiit yes. had 40 stuck in my brain.
― the gas-cramp dilla (pomplamau5), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
xp Yeah nominations will definitely be open until the end of the year.
― sean doily, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link