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Is the rider still alive? I passed a ghost bike on Houston the other day, obviously incredibly sad.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

JENNY WAI TO B POWERHOUSE. Am taking you on next customer-dispute resolution trip.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

still alive, as far as I know

(getting reports from friends back in Chi...)


and yeah, ghost bikes are the saddest. but that's why they need to exist

grbchv! (gbx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Evan! I hope your friend is okay. It's a very wet and dangerous day out there.

What is a ghost bike?

I came in here to post this for word nerdz b/c of our conversation on gender determinism the other day: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003894.html

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The US Cellular manager was very good at his job. He came out, shook my hand, introduced himself... basically came out of the box treating me in way that conveyed, "We are adults and we will do business here today." Not patronizing or obsequious or irritated at all. His name was Kirk and I was impressed.

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:30 (seventeen years ago) link

It's an old bike, painted all white and locked to an immoveable object at a spot where a cyclist has been killed in a bike accident, and left there presumably forever. Sometimes they're children's bikes (more common in Queens & residential areas), more often adults. I've never heard of the city or anyone going around and cutting them loose (which quite frankly surprises me) but maybe I just haven't been talking to the right people.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wow. That's kind of intense.

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the one on Houston had silk flowers wrapped around the crank & pedals like someone had been there recently. It's a lot of intense.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link

there's one right outside the empty bottle (or there was). really nice hispanic dude that built his own choppers was on his way home and got hit by a drunk

i'm surprised the city doesn't clip them, either.

grbchv! (gbx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder what it says about me that I find ghost bikes sad and lovely and respectful but am just irritated by plastic flower crosses on rural roadsides.

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know!


the road up to where i "work" is absolutely littered with roadside crosses.


maybe it's because roadside crosses can often be the result of yr own bad driving, while ghost bikes are generally the result of jerkoff drivers killing cyclists. AND they reflect the personality of the person who died, because it's actually their old bike that gets locked up.

also, religious v. secular?

grbchv! (gbx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

but yeah, ghost bikes are genuinely moving for me.

grbchv! (gbx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

The saddest thing about ghost bikes, for me, is that they were all killed in auto accidents -- an unfair fight from the get-go. Of course roadside crosses can equally be the result of an innocent trip to the grocery store and being hit by drunk driver, and I know this rationally, but bikes being the big-time underdogs makes the warning/memory different.

Or what he said! I didn't know it was the victim's own bike, though.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Me, neither! That's super intense.

But you know, could be the person's own plastic flower cross, too.

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, that's in Milwaukee? Where at?

Shank Hall.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 06:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I came in here to post this for word nerdz b/c of our conversation on gender determinism the other day:

My mom to thread.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus! the size of this thread!

Ste (fuzzy), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I have made a rare login from work to say that tofu is making us gay.

n/a (n/a), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

What is a ghost bike?

there's one outside the empty bottle from when a dude named esai got hit last january. it was so loud i heard the impact at my old place on augusta. in a sad bit of irony the ghost bike itself got hit by a drunk driver, the same fate that befell it's owner.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

there's one right outside the empty bottle (or there was). really nice hispanic dude that built his own choppers was on his way home and got hit by a drunk

i suppose i should read all the way through the threads before responding.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, and there's also a wooden cross with a rim attached to it outside the laundromat down the block which is where the guy died. the drunk was going about 80 mph down western ave when he blew the red light at augusta, swerved to miss traffic, hit a row of parked cars then plowed into esai at cortez. the force of the impact threw him almost half a block down to western and thomas.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I have made a rare login from work to say that tofu is making us gay.

I guess that's why I'm so incredibly straight!

JordanC (JordanC), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

fudge, in addition to losing my chicago card it would appear i also lost the slip of paper with my i-go member and pin # on it. no grocery shopping for me tonight.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

For example, if your baby gets colic from cow's milk, do you switch him to soy milk? Don't even think about it. His phytoestrogen level will jump to 20 times normal. If he is a she, brace yourself for watching her reach menarche as young as seven, robbing her of years of childhood. If he is a boy, it's far worse: He may not reach puberty till much later than normal.

Soy could have horrible consequences for little girls BUT EVEN WORSE it could have horrible consequences for little boys.

Won't somebody please think of the little boy children?

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it's also that LATE puberty is worse than early? Wouldn't surprise me if there's an important growth spurt for boys around then, too, and they might never make that height up. Not that I disagree with you or anything....

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I think getting my period at seven would be pretty severe.

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I...guess? I think I was 10.

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm still waiting.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not up on all the facts though.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Are You There God? It's Me, Otto.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Dammit should have changed my login there

danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

it turns out i was in fact smart enough to put my member # and pin in my work email's contacts. you can all stop worrying and get back to work, i'm sure you've been shivering with anticipation over what was to become of my i-go situation.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

That was brilliant. Groceries ahoy!

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I suppose I'd give that author more (any, really) credit for anything he said if he, you know, supported his claims with studies. Or even links to other articles.

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

BUT THAT WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE WORK!!!!

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

JENNY U R GAY FOR TOFU JUST ACCEPT IT

JordanC (JordanC), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

So does soy actually effect estrogen levels, or is this total bullshit?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

it does kenan that's why soy products are so popular with menopausal women. it's safer than mare urine.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

If soy makes you more feminine, what about bovine growth hormone, out there making 15 year old girls look more and more like R Kelly bait all the time? Surely this masculine man would never advise us not to eat delicious American red meat.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, there was zero soy in my diet when I was growing up, and I turned out plenty faggy.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't at least one kind of hormone replacement therapy for post-menopausal women made from soy? I think there's something to it, although on the other hand people all over the world have been eating soy protein in place of meat for centuries and they're probably better off than those of us eating antibiotic/hormone-stuffed processed meats...so who knows?

Haha, XP!

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

CAR RESERVED. and it's the one that's closest to my place, AND for the first time since i've been using the service all of the cars in wicker park were available when i needed one. available all day from noon on in fact.


otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Yupsters be walkin'

danno martinez (danno martinez), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno guys, what about asian lady boys? they eat soy all the time*!


*....so do i. eep!

grbchv! (gbx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

they eat soy all the time*!

*....so do i. eep!


i will now dust off this nugget of a school yard taunt that i haven't used since 6th grade. *ahem*, EVAN PEES SITTING DOWN.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

This abstract says soy does increase estrogen. But then this article says it doesn't.

It's probably one of those things that is good for you if you eat it in moderation but bad for you when it becomes processed as filler into every nook and cranny of the American diet.

Lance Rock (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

those japanese ppl r gay.

soy does effect hormone levels--originally it was touted as miracle food for regulating hormones, and now they've found that it's not so great as they thought, though sometimes beneficial.

from an fda bit on soy:

The recently raised concerns, however, focus on specific components of soy, such as the soy isoflavones daidzein and genistein, not the whole food or intact soy protein. These chemicals, available over the counter in pills and powders, are often advertised as dietary supplements for use by women to help lessen menopausal symptoms such as hot flashes.

The problem, researchers say, is that isoflavones are phytoestrogens, a weak form of estrogen that could have a drug-like effect in the body. This may be pronounced in postmenopausal women, and some studies suggest that high isoflavone levels might increase the risk of cancer, particularly breast cancer. Research data, however, are far from conclusive, and some studies show just the opposite--that under some conditions, soy may help prevent breast cancer. It is this scientific conundrum, where evidence simultaneously points to benefits and possible risks, that is causing some researchers to urge caution.

JuliaA (JuliaA), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck irrational deadlines.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess i have about 1-2 pounds a week. when should i expect to start filling out?

grbchv! (gbx), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link


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