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Trevor Francis is the earliest "dude who can run really fast down a wing and has no end product when he gets to the byline" player i can remember but he perhaps didn't invent it

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

bae- yep

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link

Remembers Trevor Francis = noodle vague, no?

The Artist Formerly Known As Teh HoBB, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

i thought it was obvious ages ago tbh

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

toyed with claiming to be pinefox for a moment

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

garrincha!

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yeah Mata as well.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

dunno how Alan Ball was as a crosser of the ball but read an anecdote once where he complained to Ramsay that all he'd done was run up and down all match without receiving the ball

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

steve guppy- proper fuckin winger, son

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

have woken from my afternoon nap to be greeted with this 'lucas out for 6 months' news. Am sad for the player. Am sad for myself. May go for a nap for the rest of the season :(

pandemic, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

will chime in with the 'players being one footed' pet peeve. Especially when they would rather not cross the ball at all than even attempt a cross with their 'wrong' foot!

pandemic, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

xp. It's not official, but Shelvey has returned from Blackpool, which is pretty ominous. Just as Sky and the rest had woken up to the fact that he's rather decent, too. Gutted for him.

Chris, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

Shamrock putting up a proper fight against Rubin Kazan right now, 2-1 down at half-time

lebateauivre, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

Don't get why we think Shelvey is suddenly going to transform into a top class DM when that's never been the role we've had in mind for him. Our overreliance on Lucas and our unwillingness to give him a rest has been hugely irresponsible and nothing short of a joke. Still, at least the fans can still dream of a trip to the new Wembley. And we do exist to win trophies. Yeah right. Fucking fuming right now.

Chris, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

Bruce gone

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

woah

Chris, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

woah. Hughes? McClaren?

pandemic, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

Rafa or GTFO

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, just finished the Guardian's everyone-stays piece that's just gone up

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

Hahaha, looks like it's been pulled

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

Martin O'Neill seems to be the early favourite but that's a standard reaction at this point i assume

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

He's not gonna want to be last on MOTD is he?
Got a shock when I saw Alan Curbishley on the list of candidates, had forgotten he was a football manager!

pandemic, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

It is interesting to see you guys go "Arsenal are a 1 man team, Theo is shit and can't cross." Umm, who do you think made all his goals, and how they were made? Like 50% came from Theo crosses. Because he is the best winger in the league. But its cool, y'all still see him as the 16 year old who hadn't developed yet.

big popppa hoy, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

RIP Bruce, heaven needed an updated Iain Dowie in the shit manager who kept getting top jobs without any talent.

big popppa hoy, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

Am I right in thinking Bruce hasn't been sacked before?

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

Theo the second best winger in the league. Behind Micah Richards.

pandemic, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

He usually walks to pastures new iirc
xp

pandemic, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

I know, but not because he's been about to get the bullet I don't think. I don't recall him ever overachieving or being under huge pressure until now - maybe he is a good choice for an unambitious provincial club after all.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

haven't seen the 'like' stats for assists, assume they're not akin to the actual stats tbh

In any case, the original claim was that theo would stroll in and get rvp's goals as and when needed. Is that 'like' goals or real ones?

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, just finished the Guardian's everyone-stays piece that's just gone up

― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:21 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

Hahaha, looks like it's been pulled

― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:23 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

lol do you have the original link for this? the google cache might have saved it from the memory hole

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

RIP Bruce, heaven needed an updated Iain Dowie in the shit manager who kept getting top jobs without any talent.

― big popppa hoy, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:16 (50 minutes ago)

sunderland won something like 5 in 29

he is dreadful

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Premier League managers seem safer with sack-happy culture on wane
Has the closeness of the Premier League meant chairmen are finally resisting pulling the trigger as soon as a poor run occurs?

Newcastle's Chris Hughton was the first Premier League manager to be sacked last season - on 6 December. Photograph: Craig Brough/Action Images
Jamie Jackson
The Guardian, Wed 30 Nov 2011 15.39 GMT
Blogpost

In the sack-happy culture of football, next week could prove a landmark in the fragile life of a manager. If all 20 Premier League No1s wake on Wednesday still employed, a record will be set and a trend may be developing.

Newcastle United's Chris Hughton was dismissed by Mike Ashley on 6 December last year, the first to go in the 2010-11 season. Before that, at least one Premier League manager had been sacked by then in every term this century (Martin O'Neill, who left Aston Villa just before the campaign started, resigned).

To explain this season's lack of changes Neil Warnock points to the Premier League's competitiveness, where Aston Villa in eighth are separated by nine points from bottom-placed Blackburn Rovers. "Everybody's so close," the Queens Park Rangers manager says. "Apart from the top seven teams, from Villa below, everybody knows they're in a battle."

While it may be too early to declare that chairmen are finally resisting pulling the trigger whenever a poor run occurs, a shift is found throughout the game, with only six managers sacked so far in the Football League, again lower than every season this century except for last term. "Stability is key, you need time in any job – more so than ever at the minute," Warnock says. "That's what the owners are trying to do. When you look at the Premier League they're all trying to support their managers – I look at Chelsea and clubs like that."

The League Managers Association, though, urges caution. Since the Premier League was formed in 1992 160 managers have been removed – an average of more than eight each season who are forced to look for a new job. Last year, 50% of clubs across all four divisions finished with a different man in charge, while around half of first-time managers are not employed elsewhere.

"We normally review the stats in December and that's when we'll know whether or not there's been a change," says Richard Bevan, the LMA chief executive, before offering the following reasons for the past two seasons' trend. "There's always less sacked in the Premier League than the Football League, and we have some incredibly talented and experienced managers. If you were the owner of Wolverhampton Wanderers you wouldn't want other than Mick McCarthy or Roberto Martínez [at Wigan Athletic], or Sir Alex Ferguson or Roberto Mancini at the top."

Jez Moxey, the Wolves chief executive, agrees: "You must get the right manager. Once you think you have, maintaining him in the post over the medium to long term has a whole range of benefits that perhaps aren't seen by supporters and others if they don't get immediate results."

Bevan is clear regarding the advantages of stability. "At the end of last season 50% of our clubs had had their manager in for less than 12 months, so that brings a nervousness around the boardroom, the fans, the local media, the players," he says. "In any form of working life – business, government or sport – you need time to build your team and deliver that philosophy on what you're looking to achieve. So from that perspective, it's great news that no Premier League manager has been relieved of his duties.

"Hopefully the owners are recognising that if they want to achieve their objectives they've only got to look at Sir Alex Ferguson celebrating 25 years this season. In the main I think most do recognise that. Clubs are beginning to recognise that they have to manage the expectations around them. For example, for the owners of Blackburn Rovers [Venky's], it was nonsensical for them to come out and say: 'We're looking to finish in the top four or five.' I don't think you'll say many statements like that."

Moxey believes ditching a manager too soon is foolish. "The downsides of changing are enormous and costly – it's almost like a roll of the craps dice," he says. "As long as they are doing the things that you want them to do and in the way the club is set out [it should be OK]."

Bevan agrees that both the board and manager must have a shared vision. "From a manager's perspective everyone has a different objective. For some survival will be an achievement in itself, others it's trophies or promotion. One of our guys said the other day it's about: 'Staying in the race long enough to win.' If you look at any other industry or went to any business school they would tell you that if you change the most important person in your organisation every 10 months it doesn't take rocket science to recognise that all you're going to achieve is nowhere near your fans' expectations.

"What you need to do is look at the core business and make sure the people running the clubs are having very close liaison with the key personnel. An example: until recently I haven't seen in many clubs a written document of what the board is looking to achieve with the manager and the players. In business we call them key performance indicators. We are glad that for a lot of chairmen, chief executives and managers the communication is beginning to improve, that they are saying: 'Let's meet on a quarterly basis to ask what are our goals? OK, we haven't achieved our last quarter, let's set our expectations for the next quarter, for where we want to be. Let's make sure the fans, the local media don't think we should be top of the league.'"

December, though, can still be the cruellest month: after Hughton last year, five more managers were axed before the new year.

Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

lol yeah that showed up in my google reader like 2 spots below BRUCE OUT

Cuauhtemoc Blanco, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

thank you, great timing

nakhchivan, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

If you were the owner of Wolverhampton Wanderers you wouldn't want other than Mick McCarthy

if i were the owner?

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

Utd match is pretty grim. Problem with these games is Fergie just uses them to give the bench warmers a run-out, so you get Berbatov, Macheda and Diouf all playing instead of any attempt at a coherent team. And Gibson. Fucking Gibson. The club tried to get rid of him in the summer and yet they're still giving him games over promising players like Morrison and Pogba (who's threatening to leave). Fabio went off after half an hour. I feel bad but playing him is basically throwing away a sub at this point. I'm not sure he's ever completed a game for Utd.

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

any links to spurs streams

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

www.wiziwig.tv is the new incarnation of myp2p

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

haven't seen the 'like' stats for assists, assume they're not akin to the actual stats tbh

In any case, the original claim was that theo would stroll in and get rvp's goals as and when needed. Is that 'like' goals or real ones?

― daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 19:49 (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

Actually the original claim was that Arsenal would do better with RVI out than Ade out, but whatever, keep changing the goal posts.

btw lol at the first four suggestions you get when you type in robin van persie to google being "robin van persie twitter" "... muslim" "... rape" and "...stats".

big popppa hoy, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

Van Persie has 17 goals this season and Walcott has 5 assists (1 more than RVP)

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

taActually the original claim was that Arsenal would do better with RVI out than Ade out, but whatever, keep changing the goal posts.

than spurs would with ade out, i take it? claim is nonsense

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

tks for tip #0 but that site suxxxxxx

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

spurs 2-1 down after 41 mins, luka took a penalty, stream lolled all the way through it so i dunno if that was our goal or not

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

any links to spurs streams

― daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:42 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

http://tykestv.eu/channel2.php
you should be thankful for missing the first 30 minutes

mizzell, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

Doesn't suck if you're using sopcast. In fact my Utd stream switched to a crystal clear one of the Spurs game at half time

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

i dunno i've always been wary of sopcast tbph

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

I use nothing else these days. Complete reliability and nigh on HD quality quite a bit of the time

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

Morrison on for Berbatov thank fuck

Number None, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

sopcasting from dutch tv now- awesome

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

paok just pulled the most devastating offside trap i've ever seen

daramaracas.jpg (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link


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