Premier's top 20 most-overrated movies

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"One thing that always irked me about Pretty Woman is that it's completely illogical. Rich businessmen don't marry hookers! And that Richard Gere--surely he could find a woman who he did not have to pay. For that matter, has anyone ever seen a hooker that looks like Julia Roberts or Laura San Giacomo? HELLOOOOOO?"

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I quite liked Mystic Pizza. Does that count?

Forrest Gump - KwikSave version of Being There with added Zelig

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

IT IS A FILM!!!

NOT A DOCUMENTARY!!!

(xpost about Pretty Woman. The fact that they altered the ending made the film null and void, more to the point)

M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think I've ever met a person who had a higher opinion of American Beauty than "It was okay, the scene where he describes what he does at work all day is medium funny."

But seriously? Like half the people I went to film school with thought u>American Beauty was amazing, and half the twenty-somethings who style themselves film buffs b/c they watch the commentary tracks on DVDs agree.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Come on Premier, less lists, more beats for Guru.

drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

also I'll defend Nashville tooth and nail. The Lily Tomlin deaf-sons scene is one of my favorite in all of film, ever, unqualified.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

more beats 4 xtina agulera more like it

jhoshea (jhoshea), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

It'd actually make more sense if they did make dumb, illiterate, obvious comments about Pretty Woman because I actually DO know people who enjoy that movie, and I still see it showing up on "top comedies" lists all the time! Unlike Monster's Ball.

remy, I don't think anyone here should apologize anymore for the fact that you hang out with a lot of idiots. How about you try looking at ILX film thread re: this movie and its director OH WAIT YOU CANNOT IT IS GONE ;_;

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but the thing about American Beauty was that it was only big at that time(came out when I was taking film classes, too).

But we're 7 years later now, and how many of those same folks are still talking about the movie? Kevin Spacey's been established to the point that its never referred to, Thora Birch is more remembered for Ghost World, and Spiderman-dude and even Donnie Darko-dude has usurped the place that the kid in this one(wes bently, wasn't it?) had.

(xp)

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

people I went to film school with
and half the twenty-somethings who style themselves film buffs

OH OH OH I know let's ask DORKTOR MORBIUS what he thinks, too!

TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

monster's ball is def in my top comedies MAKE ME FEEEEL GOOOOD!!! lol

jhoshea (jhoshea), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i wd say that of the list only 'nashville', 'the red shoes', and '2001' have any really major critical standing, and '2001' is still quite widely hated.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

So, is it safe to say that "middlebrow" applies to this list?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

to be fair a lot of otherwise sensible people do love clerks for no good reason

jhoshea (jhoshea), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

that wasn't mean to sound smug TOM, I was just trying to distance myself from the serious film types.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

anyway yeah everybody otm at the utter pathetic laziness of making lists trashing "overrated" anything when there are no objective criteria whatsoever for either the rating, over or under, the person(s) doing this "rating" are vague, cloudy concept, perhaps reflected in the 2000 census, perhaps reflected in the authors' bathroom mirrors after moo tinny martoonies, and not even a semblance of a frame to the debate in time or space. It's like at least Jay-Z tells us the one problem he DOESN'T have, this type of shit is strictly lazy livejournal horseshit, a bunch of humanities grads bitching about last week's weather and getting paid for it.

TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish I could get paid for it.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

remy you would have to think I was some kind of insane person to think that somebody talking about their fellow film school kids and 20something netflix hobbyists is trying to be smug! Trust me, I know!

TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost google adwords dude

TOM. BOT. (trm), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Nashville slam=Way to piss on a grave folks*
*Altough it was probably written before Altman died. Can't wait for the printed obit.

This list was actually published I think nearly a year ago. Though it's nice to see a boring list ignored here for once, until now.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i think they meant top 20 corniest movies for middlebrow ironists. gone with the wind and the wizard of oz are horrible, but i think easy rider, clerks, field of dreams, good will hunting and moonstruck are all good movies, and chariots of fire, while not quite great, is elevated above merely good by the performances. american in paris is great. then again, i have a higher tolerance for corn than the average critically-inclined person.

nuneb (nuneb), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

they might have done better to pick an underrated alternative, like cast away >> forrest gump, but they probably don't like that either

nuneb (nuneb), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.

nuneb (nuneb), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

wizard of oz is in no way horrible

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Thing about Wizard of Oz is that it's harmless, isn't it; a bit of deliberate pop entertainment that's now a cherished tradition wot's on the TV on certain holidays and in dorm rooms. It ain't aiming at some modern-era oscar-grabbing middlebrow status(see all the ones on the list made after the mid-90s).

But yeah, having an "underrated" list is a far better use of time & column space.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I really liked Field of Dreams, and Carter Burwell's music(along with james earl jones & burt lancaster) more than made up for the late-'80s boomer angst grafted onto Malamud's book.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, the book was written by W.P. Kinsella, and James Horner did the score.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

But other than that, I agree with you.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never heard of Jules and Jim!

Wasn't the Red Shoes some corny 'erotic' drama with David Duchovny?

jel -- (jel), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

shit, you're right. i'm confusing it with The Natural & Miller's Crossing.

xp

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

field of dreams = disturbing study of masculine sentimentality

(and constner is an inert gblob)

jhoshea (jhoshea), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

THAT MOVIES SO OVERRATED

jhoshea (jhoshea), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw Chicago! I can't recall much about it though.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

replace 'american beauty' with 'road to perdition', which i still maintain is the most boring film ever made.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I only like the bit where the bag is blowing around in the wind in American Beauty. Damn, that's so emo of me.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"parodistic"?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

This list makes no sense.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

road to perdition, yes, possibly most boring ever made.
I LOATHE american beauty. that film made me so angry! so bad on so many levels. saw it with friends at a packed theater @ union station and was yelling at the screen it made me so irrationally angry

that and "bottle rocket" UGH

daria g (dar1a g), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha the critique of Jules and Jim is so biting! "The end's basically not as great as the great beginning." Yeah you really stuck it to that flick.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

whoa dar1a. u h8 bottle rocket?

69 (pete), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Road to Perdition at least has Paul Newman being Paul Newman, more than can be said for American Beauty.

I really, truly hated Jules and Jim, but the exact reasons are fuzzy. But I've hated every Truffaut I've seen - sooner or later will have to borrow The 400 Blows just to make sure I can write him off completely.

milo (milo), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

actually, given the quality of movies made from graphic novels since its release, Road to Perdition doesn't look quite so bad. I'd rather watch it again than Sin City or V for Vendetta.

milo (milo), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

#1 underrated movie of all time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVH5JxdM-i0

milo (milo), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, see, I thought I hated it but I saw it a long time ago. is it a total pisstake or not?

I don't think I like truffaut either

daria g (dar1a g), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

road to perdition is so much worse than any other film based on a graphic novel. paul newman sleepwalks through it. i guess daniel craig is pretty good. whatever, it's horrible.

actually it's still better than that deadening manga-esque film 'renaissance' (which also features daniel craig providing the voice for the lead character...hmm..)

deep space nine (deep space nine), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The Field of Dreams thing is the one most perplexing to me, I mean "the sweetness of Ray Liotta"?

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Agree:
American Beauty
Chicago
Forrest Gump
Easy Rider
Nashville
Gone With The Wind

Where's Saving Private Ryan and Platoon?

Disagree:
Clerks
Fantasia
The Wizard of Oz (calling this crap is daft btw)
2001: A Space Oddyssey
Moonstruck
Mystic River

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, there should be a 10 year no-fly-zone for a list like this.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

no Usual Suspects, no credibility

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 1 December 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

problem w/CTHD was it was pretty par for the course as far as wire-fu goes and not that special to those familiar with the genre, and those most passionate about it seemed to be those who were unfamiliar with it. it's a good movie but not awesome (and a cut below those zhang yimou flicks from recent years, too).

deep space nine (deep space nine), Sunday, 3 December 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I find it hard to dislike a list that points out how much Forrest Gump fucking sucks, because it, well, fucking sucks. For more or less exactly the reason they said, too.

(They're 100% wrong about a few of those, too: 2001? Wizard of Oz?)

I mean, really, who gives a crap about Forrest Gump?

If anyone thinks there aren't a lot of people out there who rate Forrest Gump, American Beauty, et al...try taking a look at people's favorite movies on, say, Match.com sometime. It's like a Gump/American Beauty/Chocolat lovefest there. And Gump is a permanent part of American popular culture.

And no, I really don't believe the public at large rates many of these movies very highly at all

Not Moonstruck or Jules and Jim, no. But American Beauty, Good Will Hunting, Forrest Gump, A Beautiful Mind, they're like the Four Horsemen of Mediocrity, and they hold sway over a lot of people out there (once you get outside of NYC and DC, anyway).

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Let me just say the phrase "a lot of people out there" a couple more times. Maybe if I say it again, Chocolat will magically be un-made.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Friend of mine coming back from seeing American Beauty: "That was the greatest movie I've ever seen."

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

where's 'gladiator'? people give ridley scott more crap for 'black hawk down' and 'kingdom of heaven', but those movies are actually pretty good. 'gladiator' is just a steaming pile.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

otm about gladiator

latebloomer (clonefeed), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

btw awards for gladiator, beautiful mind, and crash, the oscars are worse than the fucking grammys

max (maxreax), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Is it only in my world where Moonstruck seems to be on everyone's top ten lists? Few rank it number one, although I have met some who do, but this exchange is really common:

Person 1: ".....[blah blah blah] Moonstruck...."
Person 2: "Oh, Moonstruck! I love that movie, it's one of my alltime favorites!"

And I don't really remember too much about Moonstruck, so I'm always a little baffled by it, but I accept it's one of those movies that people really love that did nothing for me.

The other movie where this happens a lot: The Big Lebowski.

Casuistry (casuistry), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

heh. I've been resisting posting to this thread because all I have to say is is, "Oh, Moonstruck! I love that movie." I guess I'm one of a lot of people out there.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 4 December 2006 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a weird list, but I do agree with their choices of 2001 and Jules and Jim - though the reason they don't like the latter is completely different from mine. I liked the story in it, but not the way it was made, I guess I'm just not a fan of the New Wave aesthetic. Some of Truffaut's later films are great though. American Beauty and Forrest Gump are mediocre films that were overrated when they initially came out, but not necessarily anymore.

I finally saw Chicago last summer, and was positively surprised, it was actually better than its reviews suggested.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 4 December 2006 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Premiere = most overrated movie magazine ... no, not really even that.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 4 December 2006 07:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it basically qualifies as the Chicago of movie magazines.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe that there are still people jabbering that random lonely hearts and "real America" (UH) love, love, love these films and that somehow box office popularity is actually a qualifier for being "overrated" (try reading the actual articles that accompany the list, or is that too hard??), btw. NEXT SACRED COW PREMIERE WILL TACKLE NEXT: TITANIC.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe that there are still people jabbering that random lonely hearts and "real America" (UH) love, love, love these films

So what's your point -- that it's not true, or just that it's not interesting? If the latter, I can respect that, but if the former, then you're just wrong.

("Random lonely hearts", whatever -- what cross-section would work for you, then?)

and that somehow box office popularity is actually a qualifier for being "overrated"

From what I can tell, the list is a hodgepodge of critical and popular/box-office favorites, no? I mean, it's a mess, but it's certainly not calibrating solely on "box office popularity" (though I'm not sure that you were saying that).

And again, if you're arguing that there aren't a lot of people who rate Forrest Gump, A Beautiful Mind, etc. highly, then you're wrong. If you're arguing that those people are somehow irrelevant, then I might like to know who it is you would consider relevant.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The basic question, I guess, is: "Overrated by whom?" And it's a legitimate question to ask, and it's legitimate to restrict your answer to "film critics" if you want.

But if you ask "who gives a crap about Forrest Gump?", then you kinda forfeit the right to wring your hands about it if you get a truthful answer to that question.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Your rights have been forfeited, Ally. By you.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

A few Myspace searches; take results with a grain of salt, but:

Results 1 - 10 of about 250,000 for american beauty.
Results 1 - 10 of about 199,000 for shawshank redemption.
Results 1 - 10 of about 197,000 for beautiful mind.
Results 1 - 10 of about 186,000 for pretty woman.
Results 1 - 10 of about 163,000 for clerks.
Results 1 - 10 of about 133,000 for forrest gump.
Results 1 - 10 of about 10,500 for moonstruck.

lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,472,500 for empire records

deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Premiere used to be kind of good, didn't it? Like, in the mid-90's? or was I just 14?

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

at the time of its release, my mom's near pathological love of American Beauty disturbed and saddened me.

Joshua Babcock (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Never a grain so salty.

Casuistry (casuistry), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link


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