Sandbox Soundman Nightmares

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Have any of you, in your working musician lives, been told by a soundman that you can NOT have one of your integral instruments onstage?

Not just, like, bongos or sousaphone that someone decides to throw into the mix at the last minute, but actually the *LEAD GUITAR*?

Well, this happened to me last night at the S0C1@l.

I did not make the soundcheck because I was ill. I do not know what happened at the soundcheck, but I asked our manager to at least linecheck my amp with the support band's guitar.

I get to the gig, I see my amp is onstage and miked up, so I set up my pedals and go off to change. TWO MINUTES before we are due to go on, the soundman has an absolute conniption and tries to tell me that I cannot have live guitar onstage.

Not only this, but despite our spec, he has only brought three vocal mics despite there being four singers, and has set up a shitty intrument mic in the fourth place which barely works to the point where two girls end up having to share a mic for some songs, and we have only 3-part harmonies during others.

Then he tries to tell me we can't have live guitar?

Would he try that with a guitar-bass-drums power trio? Come to think of it, would he try that with a *man*?

His actual quote, when I told him I planned on playing the guitar against "his advice" was "you girls will CRASH AND BURN!!!"

Thanks for coming out, you patronising asshole. You want me to COMPLETELY REARRANGE THE LINEUP OF MY BAND because you can't be bothered to DO *YOUR* JOB properly? Fuck off.

Not even the suggestion that we do a line-check before we go on. He's never even heard of the idea of doing a running soundcheck during the first song.

Has anyone on this board ever had such an experience? Honestly, I've been playing in bands since before the dude was even born, and I've never been told before that my band can't use their lead instrument.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link

FWIW: I held my ground and went on with the guitar anyway.

The sound was shakey for the first song or two, but got there in the end. The overall sound was difficult - but this was due to not having enough microphones, nothing to do with the guitar.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

The guy deserved to be sacked on the spot for this. Get something out of this miserable experience by writing a song called "crash and burn, girl".

Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 7 December 2006 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link

The *worst* part of it all was our manager siding with the dude over this, and trying to persuade the band to go on without guitar. And then *I* get yelled at for getting stroppy about it.

I've never come so close to just pulling out of a show on the spot.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

If I'm ever in a band again, I'm going to make sure that we have a dedicated soundperson of our own before playing a single show.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Why on earth did your manager side with the sound guy. You're part of the band FFS!

Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Jesus, Kate, that's awful! I've never had anything like that happen to me, ever

tissp! (tissp!), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

FWIW, it's not even like I was using some massive fuckoff guitar rig or anything. I was using my little tiny Cambridge 15. Actual size:

http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/1/7/5/266175.jpg

I guess that last thread was right about guitar amps and penis size. If I'd had a bigger amp he wouldn't have treated me like a little girl.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah next time take a 100w marshall head w 2 x 4 x 12" cabinets, and whine on about how you need your "weight of sound" if anyone complains.

Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Why on earth did your manager side with the sound guy. You're part of the band FFS!

Not any more.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:21 (fourteen years ago) link

So I saw! Bummer.

Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Fucking tell me about it.

Two years of work down the drain. But I just can't go on like this any more.

I have so much bile to spill right now, but I can't do it in public.

masonic boom (kate), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Kudos to you for completing the show despite the circumstances. I've had the misfortune of watching 2 bands break up ON-STAGE in the last few weeks. It's much uglier that way.

Having said that, sorry about the dissolution...

John Justen wants to hit you in the head with a pipewrench. (John Justen), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

My first band broke up on stage. I was a kid at the time, whatever. You live and you learn.

My next band, coincidentally, had one of the band members storm off and quit mid-set - on stage at the same venue. People thought it was a stunt! :-D

I'm glad we finished the gig, because I felt like we proved a point - to myself as well as to incompetent, patronising soundfoetuses.

masonic boom (kate), Friday, 8 December 2006 10:45 (fourteen years ago) link


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