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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/20111129151234836584.html

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

i'm really happy she's gotten so much shit for that bullshit article

HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

ya but I think the bigger point goes beyond naomi klein - tons of people wanted to jump to 'national conspiracy' as soon as they heard about the mayors talking to each other. really that's just an unwillingness to deal w/ the more complicated issues.

like, maybe the chancellor of uc davis *isn't* part of a big national conspiracy, she was just a clueless person responding to the situation she's in by doing what she thought she was supposed to do a la stanford prison experiments etc.

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

Naomi WOLF

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

oops

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

whatever naomi klein coulda wrote that too

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

written, even

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

klein actually wrote one of the big-time rebuttals, we were calling the whole affair "the two naomis"

HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

link?

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

It is usually best to concentrate on the actions and how ugly and wrong they are, than get involved in deciding who is evil and who is merely wrong-headed. When it comes to the public message, talk about deeds, not people.

Aimless, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

Naomi Klein
NaomiAKlein Naomi Klein
Just doing my morning "I'm not Naomi f-ing Wolf" corrections. Love that half the people I have to correct r journos.
3 hours ago

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

haha

iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

o, mi? na

k3vin k., Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

lol

HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

Tune in next week on "Know My Naomis" where we try to tell the difference between Naomi Campbell and Naomi Yang.

sterl, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

whassup my naomi

OH NOES, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

Palin’s op-ed in what Sirota called “the biggest altar of corporate worship in the entire capitalist cathedral” symbolizes that this brand of Conservative populism which has increasingly dominated American politics for the past three decades crescendoed with the Tea Party, realized it hit a dead end, and is now doing a U-turn. Why? Because Palin, the queen of the Tea Party and one of the most influential political bellwethers of past three years did the previously unthinkable: She demanded more regulation.

A major pillar of modern Conservatism is beginning to crumble.

http://open.salon.com/blog/liamodonoghue/2011/11/19/palins_flip-flop_on_regulation_means_occupy_is_winning

HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

I dunno. That article concludes that those who fail to follow Palin's lead must be condemned to 'political irrelevance' and therefore will stampede to follow her new line, because they know she is the bellwether of the Tea Party flock. This seems like a mighty big stretch to me. The power equation just doesn't shift that simply.

Aimless, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

Have we mentioned this one yet?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/28/1040576/-Occupy-Rochester-helps-local-family-avoid-foreclosure

...In the past two weeks, numerous protests and actions were organized to support the Steidels in the fight to keep their home. An impromptu press conference was held just as Rochester Mayor Richards appeared, media in tow, to sign an agreement with Occupy Rochester for our right to camp 24 hours a day.

[...]

Occupy Rochester and publicly announced its intention to set up an encampment on the Steidel's front lawn to prevent the imminent eviction and draw media attention to the case. However, it never came to that. Harold and Maria received word that they had secured at 30-day suspension of the eviction notice....

While I don't know what the ultimate long-term value 30-day suspensions will have, just pushing it back 30 days to give you a chance to breathe and to plan seems like such a lifeline

kingfish sandbox bonaparte, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link

How many North American camps are left, btw? When I left Quebec City last week, CBC had footage of the Calgary & Quebec camps getting evicted.

kingfish sandbox bonaparte, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

and the portland camp is going to try it again:

http://occupyportland.org/2011/11/28/saturday-december-3rd-march-occupation/

Saturday is also the day that several Santarchy/Santa Rampage events are going on in town, and something tells me the two will intertwince

kingfish sandbox bonaparte, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 02:53 (twelve years ago) link

i thought that cory robin blogpost was pretty otm, yeah, and a useful corrective against american cultural kneejerk anti-federal government sentiment grading into paranoia.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 03:25 (twelve years ago) link

not sure if this Dec 6 preamble was posted:

http://occupywallst.org/article/december-6-occupy-wall-street-goes-home/

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

Join a working/discussion group remotely, spread the word online, read/learn about the issues involved with a little more than casual depth so you can talk about it with others, donate donate donate. O London is at http://occupylsx.org/?page_id=192

― HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:04 (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

repost shit on fb and twitter

― iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:06 (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

So basically what I am already doing, but without the donate part because lol 99%. Cool.

big popppa hoy, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 05:38 (twelve years ago) link

LA and Philly being simul-raided. Press blackout in LA, just heard a CBS anchor say "We're cutting away from that shot now to protect the integrity of the police operation taking place."

HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link

omg if i'm reading this right philly has emptied camp and started marching to "peacefully relocate"

the cops are flummoxed

lol

HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 06:22 (twelve years ago) link

la just set off fireworks <33333333333333333333333333333333

HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 06:24 (twelve years ago) link

12:30 See two livestreams from LA down the page, and another two livestream now just below, these two from Spencer Mills and PunkBoy, down from Oakland. Cops now on way. And here is aerial view from CBSNews.

shit like this makes me feel like i'm living in a william gibson novel

HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 06:25 (twelve years ago) link

the cyberpunk future arrived and it's kind of mundane, really

silby, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link

also whoa the nycga finance blog/monthly report is fucking awesome and our finance ppl need to see it stat

HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 06:47 (twelve years ago) link

the LA UStream guy (crossxbones) talked to me when i was there on sunday and i didn't realize he was videotaping me until like halfway through. not that i said anything important or of interest

silvana mangano, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 06:49 (twelve years ago) link

cops in hazmat suits moving in to dismantle the park encampments now

silvana mangano, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 08:24 (twelve years ago) link

temperature check on a proposal that we rename the action committee "the faction committee"

HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

all told almost 300 arrests in LA last night/this morning

silvana mangano, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

The Declaration of Occupy DC, consented to tonight. Tomorrow is our two month anniversary.

The Declaration Committee, rightfully, is out drinking beers together.

HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 03:26 (twelve years ago) link

cough

Prelude thread to the the thread about doing an ilx protest record

cough

big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 10:35 (twelve years ago) link

Corporate interests threaten life on Earth by extracting and burning fossil fuels and resisting the necessary transition to renewable energy. Their drilling, mining, clear-cutting, overfishing, and factory farming destroys the land, jeopardizes our food and water, and poisons the soil with near impunity. They privilege polluters over people by subsidizing fossil fuels, blocking investments in clean energy and efficient transportation, and hiding environmental destruction from public oversight.

yessssssssssssssss.

one of the big things i still dont understand is whoever takes the first step and does it right will be loved as a massive job creator, revolutionise industry and have potential to make themselves a huge amount of money getting ahead of a market we are going to need for the next forever.

big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 10:40 (twelve years ago) link

really have seen nothing about Zuccotti Park in the last 10 days in the NYC media, which is distressing. They need to reappear in the headlines next week.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

Bloombagg calls the NYPD "my own army."

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/01/mayor_bloombergs_army/singleton/

Not even bothering to deny this shit anymore....

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

there's nothing particularly interesting to report on @ zuccotti

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

well, it'd be a good idea for a march or something else to make thing interesting (I guess this housing thing on the 6th might fill the bill).

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

there are marches every day, most just don't attract many people or much attention. tbh I think hardcore occupiers are just bogged down w/ logistics stuff right now. maybe there's gonna be a sustainable way to stick around and get press - there is a decent amount of money left (tho it's not gonna rain in at the same rate) and already a rented office. will there be anything as large as the times sq rally in the future? I'd bet on no, but it's worth noting that all the huge rallies had v. v. heavy union involvement = top-down planning.

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

so if the unions wanted to do more big events w/ the OWS stamp of approval (which anyone can really grab) that's a possibility for coming months

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/12/1/occupy-goldman-recruiting/

Instead, the bank was simply one actor out of many, and certainly doesn’t fit the role of super villain as well as the Occupy Harvard folks imagine it does. For example, an excellent argument could be made that the millions of Americans who took on mortgages beyond their means are equally responsible as a group for the financial meltdown. Certainly, the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act also figures prominently in our nation’s pre-crisis financial instability. It would be convenient if we could easily paint Goldman Sachs as the evil enemy of the 99 percent, but it’s more complicated than that.

someone please burn this school down

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

iatee/hoos/whoever - how are you guys coping w/ the fact that winter be coming/has come? living in a tent must suck if/when the cold weather really hits.

big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

people aren't living in tents in ny anymore because zuccotti was cleared out by bloomberg. I think a lot of people have gone home, others are staying at churches + other random places. there's been a relative warm-weather spell lately but I'd be surprised if there's anyone sleeping outside by jan.

iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

so y'all are just occupying in spirit?

big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link


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