Dektol in the Sandbox: I <3 Photography

nb: could crosspost to girl problems thread

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Concert in the Gardens by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

aw :/

meanwhile guys the crossprocessing was a roaring success *throws hand up for hi-5*

:D

(have to admit I saw that as 'hp-5' first)

got some Amazon gift cards for my change jar, went on a book spree:
Vivian Maier: Street Photographer
Alec Soth's America
Magnum Contact Sheets
Bruce Davidson: Subway
the book of Tod Papageorge's essays
used copy of The Photographic Reader (used as a textbook so too expensive new)

only gotten to look at Magnum Contact Sheets so far, but it's a pretty great deal even at $90 - the thing weighs almost nine pounds IIRC.

Great stuff on here already!

In the absence of a WDYLL thread, here's a photo of me taken by my 5yo daughter:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6095/6379584219_bf2b3e4104_z.jpg

Whoa Michael, you look like you are in the Spooks control room! Awesome!

The Deep Blue cafe in the Science Museum! Lightbox tables...

http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad215/jiaoqu/haiouuuuuuu.jpg

it is mine. the seagull4B. is it true that these are still in production (wikipedia says sooo)?

yeah it's true

Oh wow I forgot how shitty scanning film is.

could crosspost to girl problems thread

If it were possible to fall for a photograph...

Oh wow I forgot how shitty scanning film is.

what time-wise? or quality?
don't knock scanning film, it's one of my favorite pastimes.

yeah, explain yourself

i thought you were all-digi, milo

i just scan prints but find it p enthralling anyway, anything at 400dpi+ is fascinating to me

more slide film fun, btw; both of these relevant to both the fun of cross-processing & the what does it mean aspect of what should you take photos of, wrt america & its brazenly americana-n detritus, ie flags & currency &c

That window reflection is pretty great. Where is that?

Bought a Epson V700 and set it up last night, I'd just forgotten what a PITA handling film for scanning was - flatness, dust control, long scans, etc..
Ultimately worth it, at least for medium-format with the V700, but boy does it make me appreciate digital workflow.

it's grand street, in williamsburg. it is a crop, also, which i never do but did because i wasn't really uploading it as a photo but as part of a kinda diaristic thing that was slightly less rigorous. ty anyhow. the $5 thing is slightly fetishistic i think, but generally ny is so good for like messy-colourful-urban-sprawl photz.
xp

you probably just need to learn to slow your digital heartbeat milo, and commune with the sound and speed of the scanner; to understand that scanning a photograph & posting to ilx in the interim scanner processing period are as one.

i scan all of my stuff on the scratched-up beat-up library scanners because i can't commit to buying a super-cheap unscratched regular scanner because i'm still thinking about, unnecessarily chewing over, the whole buy-a-scanner, scan-yr-bw-negs thing that was discussed here a while back.

oh hey also, ILP sandboxer edition:
it was cool that IHKH took off, but just in case anyone was still looking for the tumblr-themes-of-their-dreams, i saw this a couple of days ago, which looks p suitable, size-wise etc

http://howblanktheme.tumblr.com/

Agreed on that. This is my latest:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6434132729_2c74d7299f_z.jpg

re: scanning I don't even really have any control of image flatness w my machine. it's generally not bad but sometimes you can see a little curvature in straight lines. nothing worse than you might get from many lenses anyway though. dust on the other hand... the eternal struggle.

my workflow is slow too! but methodical and I enjoy it. 1.) get back (uncut negatives) 2.) cut into sections of 6 each 3.) scan frame by frame and adjust color sliders manually (no clipped anything if I can help it) and 4.) slip into negative sleeves, and label to match the folder the files are in. I don't do any auto dust removal unless I'm certain its a shot I want and it really needs it. either no sharpening or the lowest amount of sharpening. usually no negative color cast removal. all folders/sleeves say something like 0290-2011-XA2 Fuji Superia 400 so in theory I can easily find anything that needs a rescan down the road.

now what part of that hours-long process doesn't sound like a barrel of fun???

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agreed on that = "ny is so good for like messy-colourful-urban-sprawl photz"

ha yeah, that sentence was only orphaned until I saw the pic - yr stuff really is so great. I think it's the relationships between people that make me always say Jeff Wall:

http://images.prophotos.ru/45/28/45282400d92357bb684da0e4991fd2fd_article_660_2008050717.jpg
http://www.chimpomatic.com/file-uploads/large/jeff-wall-bird.jpg

I love the broad church that is ILP, in terms of the varying methodologies of everyone involved; I can't totally follow the various steps of your scan/clean-up process - like idk what image flatness even is - but it's interesting. when you're playing with the colours, is that to match by eye to a print you've seen, or according to what you think they should be, or ?

yeah love Jeff Wall.
image flatness is just actually literally getting the negative to be flat, rather than bowing or curving etc. I think some scanners sandwich it between glass, and drum scanners seal it with water maybe? but mine just holds the edges so if it's a fresh roll and very curved, it'll show a bit. can be flattened eventually though if I roll it in the opposite direction for a while.

the colors are half "what seems correct based on what I remember" and half "what looks nice." like I'll broadly try to move sliders until it looks "right" but will then move them a little more. in real life I never see cyan tinted shadows, but because its something that film does that can look appealing I'll maybe bring it out a bit on some shots. or warm the photo with yellow in the shadows, sharpen it with magenta, etc. that kinda thing.

I haven't gotten prints in ages, by the way, and when going through old photos back home in San Jose recently was reminded how nice even quick prints from a point-and-shoot could once look. got some new ones for a roll a week or so ago and the magic is gone! I think a lot of labs do digital prints now, even from negatives, and they automatically bump up contrast and do weird things with the color balance. didn't look good at all.

I need to get in the habit of making contact sheets of all my negatives ($.39 8x10s at Walgreen's!), my old negative binders have lost most of the contact sheets and there's no organization to them at all. Thankfully it's mostly B&W and I can still 'read' negatives without a contact pretty well. Color neg, not so much.

It looks to me like 12x12 or even 15x15 prints from medium-format are doable from the V700 (or the equivalent in 6x7/6x9), which makes me happy. 35mm scanning isn't going as well, but I can't tell yet if I was just feeding it less-than-sharp negatives.

have you adjusted the height? do they sharpen up in post?

two tests:
parents' dog on Provia, girl I was dating, both circa 2002

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Scan-111130-0002-2.jpg by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

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Scan-111130-0009.jpg by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

From what I can tell the + setting (3.5mm) is sharpest for my scanner. MF sharpens up well, but 35mm still iffy. Need to try some grainier films and try to base it on grain resolution. (moderately bitter that my professors pushed TMax 100 & 400 back then - so much harder to work with in general than Tri-X or HP5)

Also need to spring for Photoshop while I get student prices from my university - the Lightroom sharpening function does not seem as scanner friendly as the usual PS methods.

what does a full-size crop of a 35mm scan look like? I'm used to them never looking *temendously* sharp at 100%, but still fine for printing in a medium size.

I displayed this in an earlier thread, but this is what a 100% scan looks like before dealing with color noise etc. for me:

http://altairnouveau.com/fullsize.jpg

black and white negs generally were sharper on the V700 than color negs, for me at least

and for a sense of scale, this is the full image:

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6048/6245993615_ccc45e735b_z.jpg

but sharpness was never a big concern for me - I think that's one area where digital is always going to have 35mm beat. I prefer the 'roundness' of scanned 35mm - sharpness is not the only way to evaluate a photo!

otm

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Untitled by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

found a negative that was unquestionably sharp (which is what happens when you use 400 ISO film midday at the Grand Canyon). boring picture, but it scans well (so much Tri-X grain!)
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Grand Canyon, Tri-X, 2002-3 by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

i dunno, if you cropped below the horizon it could be a cool ambient/noize LP cover

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Cabless by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

http://www.retronaut.co/2011/11/new-york-1940s-by-stanley-kubrick/

damn, although i wish they'd left us with a sweeter shot to carry home

he hung out w/ a lot of bangin chicks

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Second one is from high school... picked up old negatives when in CA.

btw, by dirty secret is that I *do* actually read the rest of ilx

"my"

damn! CV, they're both awesome. second one is so interesting. what was the aftermath of you shooting the first, the guy just crankily looking at you for invading his personal zone? (i am not a v in-yr-face photographer but the times i am i find i can usually get away with seeming to just be fucking with my camera or photographing something else).

really psyched to go back to my folks' place for the holidays because imma scan some old photos, everything i've looked at since i've been scanning stuff being from the past three, four years. that high school landscape is dope tho.

this also booming btw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/altairnouveau/6373831907/sizes/l/in/photostream/

the aftermath was just that I kept walking and so did he. I hardly ever have any trouble at all. if people even notice they just kinda look momentarily confused but rarely even slow down aside from some notable times that I could count on two hands. dunno if I'd have similar reactions in other cities or what...
the thing about the high school photo is I dunno if it would even look so good if I shot it now! like the framing was probably even accidental! the point and shoot I was using is so imprecise that there's no way I was really intentionally lining up the sign like that.

ha, sure. there are ten zillion things that go into why a photo is good so it isn't like all the credit goes to your framing expertise anyway. it's great.

looking at those, the first one especially (which seems so like 'contemporary new york', to me, & which you would kinda hope will richen w/age), i just wondered about going back to the idea of presenting photos, do you-all ever think of collecting your stuff? i just mean broadly, what your thoughts are; it was inspiring to me to see grady's book/pamphlet (online, i haven't bought one yet, it'll happen), & part of me thought i should make some kind of something full of mine (i think i eventually decided against this because they look good enough online & i don't think are neatly cohesive enough to necessarily form a book or w/e). & none of this necessarily relates to like kickstarted attempts to raise $20000 for printing at Peru's finest press or anything; i just mean on any scale. do you guys, ILP in exile, consider it?

I have been really impressed with (and inspired by) the photography of Missy Prince of late

http://lpvmagazine.com/2011/07/missy-prince/

Came across her quite randomly and wonder what you photography types think!

Funnily enough, that first photo reminds me of Lelant Saltings in Hale, Cornwall.

yeah they're real nice, FT. & interesting. obv the colours are very good but the angles seem kinda unusual too.

interesting that she mentions wenders' photography; I can only think of one WW photo i've seen, which I liked a bunch & hadn't ever followed up on

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smbhN1h_fFg/Tkr1QR3peYI/AAAAAAAACR4/Zh8DhLInVBk/s1600/wenders.coke.jpg, fwiw)

also just skipping the interim detailing of how i looked up wenders and found nice photos he took, does anyone have any experience w/HORIZON CAMERAS?, the panoramic originally russian now maybe lomo-fied (lomotomised?, lol) ones? they look fun

yes. p much. there are exceptions. i remember meeting jim jarmusch when i was young & a young man & living in new york & shooting a couple of pics of him & someone taking pics of me talking to him (i wrote my dissertation on him so it seemed like this weird quintessential moment) & them just never printing, i couldn't even work out (because of my backlogue-disorganisation) which roll they'd been on, my olympus would sometimes jar on 24 & shred the rest of a roll. & that was sad. but it just sorta isn't the same thing. i wrote down an index from memory of one of the recent rolls i lost & that exists even if the film doesn't, it's just different. & to go an extra philosophical mile, anything i shoot after a mis-fired role wouldn't exist had i spooled that one correct, everything would be different, so you deal with what you've got. people are always like WELL GUESS IT'S TIME TO GO DIGITAL when i lament some classically-analogue failure but its limits & risks are cool with me, it's just a different thing to the documentation i'd be pulling with digital.

OMG CAN'T BELIEVE I GOT THAT AMAZING SHOT

ha, yes.

looked through yr recent flickr stuff CV, real good, these guys-w-ties are so good, they're a series in themselves.

ha, i deliberately didn't put a comma in there to avoid this

― river wolf, Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:27 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

i still jumped all over you on it, it happened. have you been shooting, btw, i only worked out your sandbox disguise identity a couple of days ago & wondered.

-sometimes he shoots the same thing more than once

sitting here tearing pages out of william eggleston's guide right now

I specifically chose to go to a digital showing of mission impossible 4 today instead of a film one

*impales self*

gah no, i haven't :(

i mean, i've got a few rolls from the m6 that need developing, but i haven't really been anywhere or doing anything that i thought merited documentation. need to be better about a) bringing the cam with all the time b) being more fearless about whipping it out (!!) and c) getting that shit developed in a timely fashion

hah I just developed 5 rolls yesterday from the summer that I had forgotten about

still would love developing stuff (almost asked for that for xmas) and a scanner

I have three rolls of medium-format film and a roll of Tri-X on my desk that have been waiting for me to build up enough film to send off for development.

I actually think backlog is good - the Instagram/Flickr/etc. 'need to post something on the reg' is not necessarily the best. I mean, you wouldn't mail a curator or gallerist one print at a time as you did something, you'd amass a body of work and display it. Better not to die with thousands of undeveloped rolls (ala Winogrand or Vivian Maier), but some space between what you did and what you're seeing on the light table/in prints is not a bad thing.

Discovered an A+++++ meter app for the iPhone - Fotometer Pro.

Works like an old Sekonic, essentially, uses the forward facing camera for incident readings if you want to. Much better than the other light meter apps I've tried

I am totally envious of everyone's backlog on here. I got way too caught up and now am not in a shooting mood :(

I just wish I had a billion unscanned rolls for the cold winter.

And I hate the pressure to always be putting pictures online but I am in THRALL TO THE THRILL. It's about time to dip into the boring stuff.

still would love developing stuff (almost asked for that for xmas) and a scanner

― river wolf, Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:40 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

yes, psyched about getting a secondhand scanner but dayo's do-it-yrself instructions are still a kinda carrot on a string i'm thinking of pursuing, maybe next time i'm feeling settled somewhere

And I hate the pressure to always be putting pictures online but I am in THRALL TO THE THRILL.

yeah this is fun. adventures in curating.

http://www.ministryoftofu.com/2011/12/photos-how-much-time-does-the-reality-leave-to-a-dream/

so this is crude and blunt and manipulative but it punches me in all the right places and now I want to cry

http://bremser.tumblr.com/post/14980111410/my-own-favorite-photos-of-2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8McHbjaxpbA

Has anyone seen this? It looks great (You gotta love Joel Sternfeld's hair!)

I'd love to see that. Of course it's also got me wanting to pony up for some Steidl books.

lol I've heard about that. the photographer lives in a little hut for like 3 months while they go through the proofing process.

the steidl books I have are, well, magnificient

please can we have I Love Photography: fuck the midtones

lol I was just thinking that would be an excellent motto

jeff wall! was trying to remember his name along w/ gregory crewdson and philip-lorca dicorcia

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Untitled by celluloidpropaganda, on Flickr

amazon increased the price of neopan 400 from $3 to $6

:(

There were rumors it was getting discontinued, but I dunno what's up with that. Maybe Fuji let production lapse to make price increases more palatable.

I ordered 25 rolls from Midwest Photo Exchange for cheap and they were supposed to be recently expired. But they ran out of the expired stuff before shipping mine, took a month to get more, etc., so I got a steal on film that's still good 'til late 2013.

I need to buy film again

yeah B&W film stores forever, if frozen

can I just

http://i.imgur.com/QtXfu.jpg

<3

I think dumb fashion collaborations have reached a new low:
http://www.rubyhornet.com/carhartt-x-powershovelqblackbird-fly-camera/