itt liverpool not winning things; sandbox i love football

That's mainly Vidic in fairness

Still better than Ledley King though (xp)

That stat includes England games by the way

i'd rate them closely, alright. if both had enjoyed injury/drug free careers there wouldn't be much room for john terry.

What, are you blind or something?

Terry can be grateful for ILF being down, he and cohorts were all over the place against Liverpool.

Ferdinand would have faced some slightly more challenging opposition over that time of course

is tony hart defending rio or terry?

If king had stayed injury free he'd have left, tho tbh defending at spurs prob left you a lot more exposed that rio might have been facing this past few years.

spurs taking andy najar on trial? good move

For comparisons sake Vidic has 32 (+ 4 reds) in 142 appearances over the same period.

is tony hart defending rio or terry?

You've blacksided me there

i'm only observing yr chosen manoeuvres

Ledley, had his knee not given out, would probably have turned up at United or Liverpool in the mid-00s.

He's been immense this season, although I'm wondering if his improved fitness is down to Parker being in the team and saving him from a shedload of additional running and tackling he was having to do.

the biggest link icr with ledley was after euro ?2000?2002?

Anyway, he'd had a good run and it was to arsenal he was headed, apparently

Euro 2004 I think, the France game in particular was what really established his reputation.

yeah could be, jesus that was seven years ago

lol if we replaced sol with ledley.

he is most probably on par w/ cole for the most talented englisher of his generation. much more likable too. basically king >>> a whole gen.

i dunno would i rate him above rio, tbh, who was extraordinarily good for a number of years, but for spurs he could have made a huge difference.

think i'll watch barceona/rayo and maybe flick over to arsenal/city

want to watch napoli-juve, but am stuck with carling cup

1-0 Napoli, very skippy stream unfortunately & I missed it

napoli are just about the most liked team in europe atm

where's Cavani? Having to bring in Pandev to replace hime is :/

Andy Carrlol. Should've headed it.

Did he hammer it down the middle?

2-0 napoli

I believe so xp - I'm not actually watching, though my mate is there so I'll get a full report idc

It was pandev with the 2nd btw

Oxlade-Chamberlain is great to watch

my apologies to Pandev

that was a great strike by Ox

hmmn kolorav didn't look that bad

seemed like nasri wanted to come off?

awes goal from alexis and very neat assist from xavi for his second

2-1, Juve start the second half by walking the ball in

2055: GOALFLASH Cardiff 2-0 Blackburn (Anthony Gerrard)

Kean still not out.

Are Blackburn at 'full strength'?

Not far off it.

Win %
Graeme Souness: 40.57
Mark Hughes: 43.62
Paul Ince: 28.57
Sam Allardyce: 34.88
Steve Kean: 17.65

they said on football weekly that he was just given a pay raise

aiui the quid pro quo was a cut in his severance entitlement

cut to £800,000 btw

3-1 Pandev does it again - this was a fabulous goal, winger had run into a dead end but got a blind cross in, pandev touch-and-swivel then banged in off the post

liverpool's lucas getting stretchered off

qi with ruby wax

and 3-2

carrol with a heavy shoulder into david luiz just to knock the shit out of him, kinda lolzy

3-3, superb individual goal from Pepe (run from halfway, one lucky deflection). It's pretty good, this.

Finishes 3-3, Napoli should kick themselves after that. Well worth watching anyway.

And I didn't realise Liverpool were fielding such a strong XI. I approve of such sneakiness.

Dear me, Chelsea were poor tonight. Hope Lucas is ok.