Wall Mounted Television c/d?

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― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

My friend's got a rear-projection TV (not flush-mounted!) and I don't really like it very much. The viewing angles are awful. Sitting on the floor watching it is a disaster - the picture almost disappears. Even watching it straight on, the picture's nowhere near as good as my other friend's (admittedly much more expensive) plasma screen.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone who goes to great effort to wall mount a TV should hopefully be aware that they'll be replacing it within five years.

Yeah, the short lifespan of LCD and plasmas puts me off buying one, a bit. Are they getting better. I did notice that the pricier ones in John Lewis came with a 5 year manufacturers guarantee as standard.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i will take alba's advice. this thread was good for something!

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

LCD and plasma lifespans are both getting better, but that also means that the quality/size of what you'll be able to get in another five years will put whatever you get now to shame.

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

the size thing is interesting me more and more. the brain kind of 'normalizes' the relative size of things, apparently -- scale of image is not that big a deal in terms of the viewing experience. or so i feel.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes. Like, I was saying to someone at work that it's fun watching a bigger than 32" TV and he said why don't you just sit closer to it and I said that I'd tried that and it wasn't the same.

But maybe if I got a huge TV it would stop being any more fun to watch than a normal one, after a while.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that TV-watchiing may be like life in general.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The advantage to a very large screen is, to me, the ability to watch ultra widescreen (2.35:1) format movies and not have the vertical be ridiculously tiny. And not having to squint/really focus on the screen when viewing.

― Brian Miller (Brian Miller), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

It doesn't even take awhile for nrq's compensation effect to happen, at least for me. As long as I can read subtitles and see what's going on, all sizes of TV just kind of standardize themselves into the same size after about five minutes. Way way more important (for me) is audio quality. Putting a crappy 20-something-inch TV through a fantastic stereo still makes it all seem pretty luxe.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

lifespans of everything sucks nowadays. we have an LCD now because Ally's 5-year-old CRT blew out, just poof, no more emitter.

Plasma is a lot of overpriced bunkum at this point, isn't it?

― TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I like big screens for the same reason I like the cinema. I go there and see an advert I've watched a hundred times on TV, and suddenly I notice all these things in it I never have before. Not so much physically small details as just the overall composition and camerawork. But yeah, perhaps this is just my senses being shouted at, and if I were to watch everything on a cinema screen my brain would just go "la la la I'm not listening anymore" after a while.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

there's probably an optimum size/distance thing.. i guess if you sit closer you'll have to focus your eyes harder.. but then too big/far you'll have trouble reading?? or is it just the bigger the better?

it's definitely better to play pro evo on the projector screen than on the littler telly.

are LCD screens cheaper to run in terms of electricity too? than one of those normal CRT thingies?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, about a third of the power consumption. Plasma, meanwhile, will eat you out of house and home.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

What is CRT? Normal "olden days" telly?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/08/21/sams_70in_lcd_1.jpg

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that poor woman having to hold it up for everyone to watchbecause the wall-mounting didn't work?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Dickweeds who would rather blow their wad on a >42" flatscreen

we have a 50" flat screen and I can assure you we are not dickweeds.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

There should definitely be a sports bar called Dickweeds.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Listen if it's wall-mounted then I'm afraid there's no way around the dickweed curse.

― TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha Alba has mistaken the Samsung Nexus Six for a real woman

― TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

ours is not wall mounted. I can't imagine the benefit of that and also it's hella heavy and I would be afraid.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Afraid of being a dickweed?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought the LCD lifespan was good. something about just needing to replace a bulb every now and then. plasma on the other hand just die. people dont even make plasmas anymore do they? sony stopped making them 18 months ago?

― sunny successor (katarina), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, and, ill take the biggest, brightest tv i can get. i love TV! it would never distract me from a puppy though.

― sunny successor (katarina), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

people be hatin'

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Alba:
"Yes, about a third of the power consumption. Plasma, meanwhile, will eat you out of house and home."

see, that's what i thought but then i saw this in the paper:

http://www.plasma-lcd-facts.co.uk/myths/energy-use/

"Myth
Plasma TVs use more power than their LCD rivals.

Fact
The reality is that plasma TVs don’t necessarily use any more power than LCDs – a fact which makes perfect sense if you think about how each technology works."

so there you go. disclaimer, this was a panasonic advert and panasonic want to sell you plasma tvs. i would take this with a skipload of salt.

http://callforhelptv.com/callforhelp/shownotes/0283.shtml?regular

Samsung plasma:
standby: 1 watt, 0.06 amps
black screen: 65 watts, 0.58 amps
white screen: 256 watts, 2.23 amps
red screen: 232 watts, 2.02 amps
blue screen: 231 watts, 2.13 amps
green screen: 208 watts, 1.80 amps
static: 311 watts, 2.71 amps

Samsung LCD
standby: 10 watts, 0.17 amps
black screen: 200 watts, 2.55 amps
white screen: 199, 2.58 amps
red screen: 199 watts, 2.57 amps
blue screen: 198 watts, 2.57 amps
green screen: 198 watts, 2.96 amps
static: 264 watts, 3.23 amps

seems to vary a lot with what is actually displayed. goths are probably better off with a plasma... (crt readings would be interesting)

(is that our sean carruthers btw?)

― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

No, that's a Japanese woman with a tv.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

If you mount an LCD to the wall, be carful to angle it downwards. LCDs look afwul when viewed off-center vertically -- they get that solarized look. Plasmas do too, to some extent, but it isn't nearly as bad.

Also, don't LCDs have a really, really long lifespan? I'd think the only thing that'd be sure to die is the florescent backlight, and they have like a 60,000 hour life. If you're worried about a TV dying at 60,000 hours, you watch too much. Stray pixels might start to go bad, but that's not such a big deal either.

Plasmas don't have as long a lifespan, but they are a lot cheaper (and look better, in my opinion).

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the short lifespan of LCD and plasmas puts me off buying one

lcd lifespans are really good, no?

xpost heh

― false cat (sleep), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post

seriously? LCD tvs are the only tvs that have ever really floored me with how clear and sharp the picture is. plasmas dont look that remarkable to me.

― sunny successor (katarina), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe you were viewing hdtv?

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

no. these were on my brothers lcd tvs before they had HD in australia

― sunny successor (katarina), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

- on

― sunny successor (katarina), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Plasmas and LCDs have pluses and minuses. LCDs usually have higher resolution (most new ones seem to be 1080p, while typical plasmas are more or less 720p) and don't as much of a "screendoor" effect when viewed up close. Plasma doesn't have the annoying ghosting and the blacks are much blacker. LCDs are probably better for video games and bright material, but I like plasmas better for movies. If they cost the same it'd be a toss-up, but LCDs are like 75% more expensive at the same size.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

You really need to look at these TVs with HD material (or DVD at the very least). How they look with standard def TV usually has more to do with the processing of the particular set more than the underlying plasma or LCD technology.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Plasmas don't have as long a lifespan, but they are a lot cheaper (and look better, in my opinion).

Plasmas aren't a lot cheaper (at non-gigantic sizes, anyway) are they? It's the other way around, I thought.

I seem to be wrong to lump LCD displays in with plasmas when it comes to lifespans. I was just going by what someone once told me, about CRTs lasting for blimmin ever these days (Tombot's experience notwithstanding).

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I am probably out of touch when it comes to plasma/LCD price comparisons. Chris sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I'm sure it used to be the other way around, though.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Plasmas are much cheaper than LCDs at the same size. Of course, they don't make plasmas any smaller than 37", and even that size is pretty unusual. Plasmas can last a pretty long time anyway. At least 5 or 6 years, I think. By that time they'll be giving them away with new checking accounts at the bank.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe you're thinking of rear projection LCD or DLP? Those are super cheap, but they can't be hung on a wall.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

No, no, I 'm not thinking of those. Maybe it was just that you didn't used to get very big LCDs. Anyway.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

My brother in law has a pretty nice setup -- 40+" HD above the fireplace. The fireplace has a heater insert that he swears is well-enough insulated that the tv doesn't get hot, but I'm not convinced. The cool part is that the DVD and DVR are around the corner in a little recessed niche, with a mirror mounted on the side wall to bounce the IR signal. The only thing visible from the couch is the tv monitor itself.

― The PEW Research Center for Panty-Twisting (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Not knowing where Chris is posting from, can this be a country by country difference? Because I don't recall plasmas being markedly cheaper than the LCDs when we had to go to Best Buy to purchase a new television. I didn't research the subject very thoroughly what with it being a quite dire situation, my television dying on a Saturday night and wanting to watch football the very next day and all. But all of the tvs within the size range we were considering seemed to be similarly priced (within $200-300 of one another).

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

what's this about light around the screen reducing eyestrain?

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

By that time they'll be giving them away with new checking accounts at the bank.

TVs and monitors have always seemed to me to be the one electronics thing that hasn't tumbled in price. I mean, yes, flat screens are much cheaper than they used to be, but they doesn't seem much cheaper than a CRT one used to be (though what counts as large screen has increased, of course). I mean, it's not like the way DVD players are now given away for peanuts. Buying a decent TV is going to cost me hundreds of pounds.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm in the US. if you get a cheap crappy LCD, it could be pretty close in price to a similar-sized plasma, but in general plasma is cheaper. The gap is narrowing though, so that might not be the case in a year or two. LCDs haven't been sold in really really big screen sizes for long, so I think they're still trying to recoup the R&D costs. Plasma is a little more mature technology.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm particularly interested in this since I need to get a TV. I've never bought one before. I'm not going to get much more than 30" just because of where it's going to go in the room, and I've been astonished at how expensive all the "top deals" and "best picks" are. But just now I've noticed you can get non-HD, non-digital-ready, quality CRTs for like 200 pounds. Since I'm going to get a like 30 pound Freeview box anyway, I don't really care about digital so this seems like the way to go?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

That makes sense, we were looking for a smaller sized (ie under 40 inches) because of where it had to fit into the room, but high quality display; the huge ones were really ridiculously priced.

CRTs were all like $20 at Best Buy, btw.

― Allyzay heard you got beat up in a club. (Allyzay Eisenschefter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, this looks good, for instance. I can't find any reviews of it but it's by Bush so it's got to be good, right?

http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/p_moreinfo/Bush-RF6685VPL-28quot-TV/28026151.html

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

LCD/plasma are such different technologies than CRT that I'll bet the prices will continue to fall, until they're below what CRTs used to cost.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

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Plasma doesn't have the annoying ghosting and the blacks are much blacker.

Halle Berry on an LCD tv:

http://www.celebopedia.com/berry/images/halle_berry.jpg

Halle Berry on a plasma TV:

http://www.student.city.ac.uk/~ra831/group8/images/Whoopi.jpg

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

(sorry)

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

monster cables are the biggest rip off. i paid $50 for a cable that was probably as good as an $8 generic brand cable. fuck those guys.

― sunny successor (katarina), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

It seems like most cables are hugley marked up at retail stores, but Monster's prices are nearly criminal.

― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/11/25

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

radio shack provides excellent component cables. red = red. blue = black. green = red with sharpie marker ring drawn on it at each end.

I cannot believe people buy monster cables, for anything.

― TOMB07 (trm), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

mine came as part of a package, so i didn't have a hard-on for Monster cables per se, they just saved me on all the other stuff. luckily, i can still return the cables ;)

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

for those in the uk who are tight like me i'd def look getting a crt especially if you don 't want to sign up for hd for 10 years with sky.

I picked up a 28 inch cheap crt for peanuts, only problem was getting it down my narrow basement stairs, but i shold have realised that before.

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

What was peanuts, exactly?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

good grief

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

stop posting one-liners on threads you have no true interest in and get a life yourself, dickweed.

fair point, i apologise. big tvs make me feel kind of irrationally annoyed

― ^ (cb303), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

big tellys, I agree

especially big "HD" tellys and big "LCD" tellys and all that so on and on

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

sometimes i dont mind little televisions, where you can't see that well. I wouldn't go as far as saying it was endearing or comforting, but it seems right for televisions to know their place and not try to be cinemas of the house. they look like teenagers that should have left home, those big ones

― ^ (cb303), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

we got one of those freeview things where you get extra hollyoaks and gillian mckeith and channel 5, and you can see a bit clearer, but luckily it didnt work. i dont know why they have to have the tv on the whole time, especially when they leave the room. ive never seen people turn the tv on and then immediately leave the room so much. and then look bemused to come back in one hour later and it not be on anymore

― ^ (cb303), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Ahaha. One of my roommates leaves the TV on and the other and I take turns shutting it off as soon as he leaves the room. So far, no tempers have flared but it might be a countdown.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

actually they were watching tv last night and i came in and was making some food, and there was this show where some poor people had to come on and justify why they should get given some money by these rich people. and they had to kind of prostate themselves in front of the rich people who then passed judgement on their lives before deciding who they would give their cash to. and i wondered how long it is before there is a show where 2 members of the public go on and one wins a bunch of money and the other has to have a family pet put down

and then there was csi miami where apparently ordinary cops fly to brazil on a whim carrying out personal vendettas to catch drug dealing terrorists.

i cant imagine what this stuff is actually like if you can see it properly.

one of them has now taken to going downstairs on a saturday afternoon, turning the tv on, and immediately going to sleep on the sofa. she even says, do you mind if i put the tv on to sleep

― ^ (cb303), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i managed to spray moth repellent in my eyes. this is worse than looking at Ulster Unionist profiles on myspace

― ^ (cb303), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno, there IS something about lying on the sofa after a late night, drifting off to a cooking show or decorating schtick or something that is equally silly but that doesn't necessarily make you doubt the future of the human race.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

My father used to walk into the living room where I was reading, see how quiet it was, turn on the television, and then walk back out of the room.

He wasn't naturally sadistic. He honestly thought(thinks) that a room without some background noise is too weird.

― PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

and they had to kind of prostate themselves in front of the rich people

I shudder to think what the verb usage might involve.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 4 January 2007 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I have friends with really bad tinnitus who must have a tv or radio on to sleep.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I would never buy DLP because that girl and her goddamn baby elephant drive us nuts. IT'S THE MEERS!!!! SHUT UP

-- TOMB07 (tombo...) (webmail), January 3rd, 2007 5:29 PM. (trm)

lolol YES

― aidsy (aidsy), Thursday, 4 January 2007 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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