itt liverpool not winning things; sandbox i love football

draw at old trafford seems like a high water mark

they've had a run of form so strong ppl have even talked about the championship level ryan taylor as a 'top fullback'

oriol romeu played on saturday and got good notices in absentia mikel

stephen and ryan taylor will surely start to happen to newcastle very soon

lol ok yeah my bad for forgetting newcastle

they do of course have former new maldini davide santon to blood into lb

never rated stephen taylor, a nonsense of a no-nonsense defender

coloccini was alright at depor but is eminently nonsensical and i doubt this new composure will last

togo and nigeria didn't qualify

trap in (extnded through 2014 qualifying)

unsure what i think of that

ledley king has been booked once in 69 games. phenomenal defender.

Going back to 2007! I should pay more attention to that guy, I'm willing to accept that that probably is phenomenal defending rather than just plain being unable to move around the pitch.

well tbf it'd be going back to 2009 had he a normal injury record, but yeah he's the great lost english talent of his generation, fuck a jokehole or dyer

Rio had 2 in 71 going back to 2009

That's fantastic, you get so used to Lucas or Vidic seemingly always taking a yellow for the team that I'd never noticed guys not operating like that. I wonder how it breaks down for DMs in general, actually.

up until this weekend rio got exemptions in home games iirc

That's mainly Vidic in fairness

Still better than Ledley King though (xp)

That stat includes England games by the way

i'd rate them closely, alright. if both had enjoyed injury/drug free careers there wouldn't be much room for john terry.

What, are you blind or something?

Terry can be grateful for ILF being down, he and cohorts were all over the place against Liverpool.

Ferdinand would have faced some slightly more challenging opposition over that time of course

is tony hart defending rio or terry?

If king had stayed injury free he'd have left, tho tbh defending at spurs prob left you a lot more exposed that rio might have been facing this past few years.

spurs taking andy najar on trial? good move

For comparisons sake Vidic has 32 (+ 4 reds) in 142 appearances over the same period.

is tony hart defending rio or terry?

You've blacksided me there

i'm only observing yr chosen manoeuvres

Ledley, had his knee not given out, would probably have turned up at United or Liverpool in the mid-00s.

He's been immense this season, although I'm wondering if his improved fitness is down to Parker being in the team and saving him from a shedload of additional running and tackling he was having to do.

the biggest link icr with ledley was after euro ?2000?2002?

Anyway, he'd had a good run and it was to arsenal he was headed, apparently

Euro 2004 I think, the France game in particular was what really established his reputation.

yeah could be, jesus that was seven years ago

lol if we replaced sol with ledley.

he is most probably on par w/ cole for the most talented englisher of his generation. much more likable too. basically king >>> a whole gen.

i dunno would i rate him above rio, tbh, who was extraordinarily good for a number of years, but for spurs he could have made a huge difference.

think i'll watch barceona/rayo and maybe flick over to arsenal/city

want to watch napoli-juve, but am stuck with carling cup

1-0 Napoli, very skippy stream unfortunately & I missed it

napoli are just about the most liked team in europe atm

where's Cavani? Having to bring in Pandev to replace hime is :/

Andy Carrlol. Should've headed it.

Did he hammer it down the middle?

2-0 napoli

I believe so xp - I'm not actually watching, though my mate is there so I'll get a full report idc

It was pandev with the 2nd btw

Oxlade-Chamberlain is great to watch

my apologies to Pandev

that was a great strike by Ox

hmmn kolorav didn't look that bad

seemed like nasri wanted to come off?

awes goal from alexis and very neat assist from xavi for his second

2-1, Juve start the second half by walking the ball in

2055: GOALFLASH Cardiff 2-0 Blackburn (Anthony Gerrard)

Kean still not out.

Are Blackburn at 'full strength'?