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Kate, you're probably the most likely to fit in on the noise board of all the people who dislike it!!!
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
There was a board where my name was verboten to the point where accounts were deleted for mentioning me offhand. Funny, after I left (4 years ago?), the community decayed to nothing.
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, ditto.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
and i don't know if it's entirely serious,
of course it was serious
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
ok, well, again, i think it's a terrible idea. the all-in-together messiness and the friction of ile is its strength, maybe its ONLY strength. thread balkanization is one thing; more and more board balkanization will be the heat-death of the whole enterprise, i'm sure of it.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
M Grout so OTM!
― kv_nol (kv_nol), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
I do think that if a thread has started to discuss (or avoid) a certain specific subject, people should stick to the topic for the most part. If other subjects arise, new threads can come up. (the way that the "Self" thread evolved out of the "dating non-vegetarians" thread, to me, was a very good example of that.)
In a perfect world, one wouldn't need the concept of "ownership" over threads, because people would be reasonable and polite and not drag threads off topic unduly (Something I used to do myself terribly, before I had the 'Cooler thread to corral all my current obsessions into.) or degenerate into personalness. But the world is not perfect, and threads *do* get prematurely atrophied - or unreasonably blown up into hellish conflicts - when it would have been a lot more interesting if they had stuck to their original remit.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link
people, here, are exactly like how they are, "for real." i think a lot of times they don't even know how, but they are.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
what so there is some sort of ceiling to balkanisation? anymore and the engines cannae take it cap'n? doubt this myself
again all i am advocating is a quicker move towards what started happening 2/3 years ago. logical progression and conclusion. because i don't think this thing has a reverse gear.
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm often more charming, witty, and better looking here.
(Take no notice, I have no Idea what I mean by that, I think)
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
This whole spectacle hasn't really been edifying for anyone especially Lex and Dom. FWIW the post Lex linked to wasn't about Dom getting dumped nor was it about a suicide attempt, but it did paint Dom in a very poor light indeed which is probably why a) he got so enormously pissed off and b) he made up that suicide stuff as an appeal to sympathy and a way of winning a fight.
Many xposts - using the noise board as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with ILX is disingenous considering the real bitter rivalries stretch back way before that and the noise board was actually set up in the first place to keep this stuff OFF the rest of ILE.
The point is that the people going "ooh you are all being nasty and bullying" and the people going "ooh you people are just being oversensitive" are NEVER going to agree so there's no point in even having this argument.
The problem with zing culture is its BORING. You open any thread and then there's the same four or five posters all zinging each other and you can tell THEY'RE not even finding it particularly entertaining, they're just doing it because they're bored and they can't stop posting. Enrique did it about four posts into this thread with that knackered old Mark C/Pringles meme that surely only the most easily amused can still find funny. It's fucking annoying for the rest of us to have to trawl though as well.
Might I add that I think the turning point for ILX was when the number of posters who didn't know or care about Freaky Trigger exceeded the number of posters who did?)
This is OTM I think, the moment when the sense of cohesive community sort of evaporated and as did any claim to some sort of universal 'ethos' of the boards. And although Ethan asks can someone please name any of the intelligent, enriching, worthwhile posters who left because ilx was 'too mean'? it's pretty clear that the likes of Tom E, Mark S, John D and so forth stopped posting as much (if not left) because the overall atmosphere was something they didn't really want to be involved in.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
so I could edit messages and embed audio after ILE banned me from doing it!
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah no-one is really saying this. see my post re 'boards vs boards' mentality.
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link
But the world is not perfect, and threads *do* get prematurely atrophied - or unreasonably blown up into hellish conflicts - when it would have been a lot more interesting if they had stuck to their original remit.
they got exactly as interesting, or not, or atrophied, or blown up, based on what the people participating in them wanted at the time. look, this is a market, not a project. you have to take the occasional shitty outcomes with a little zen grimace and just get on to the next thing, srsly.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
as i SAID, but i expect nothing less from them so it had less impact.
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― a_p (a_p), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
There are some subjects on which I'd rather have one post an hour, which was on topic and thought out - than 100 posts in a row of meaningless chatter and nastiness.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
not a week seems to go by on watercooler threads without some massive argument about what can and can't be talked about on them.
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
It reminds me of that Twilight Zone movie where the kid had special powers and turned his house into a cartoon world, and nobody dared say anything against him.
i *might* be exaggerating a little there tho
― Ste (fuzzy), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Sometimes I like to take a kitten in a can, chew it up, and use the resulting paste as a sandwich spread between two intact kittens in cans.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― ZR (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link
I get this with Jon too, but it's probably 50% projection (and he must surely expect it if not enjoy it).
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, I forgot to say, that's brilliant.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link
-Football/sport-Big Brother/reality TV shows
That's the point of them. If a person wishes to talk about those things, there are dozens of other threads on ILX on those subjects.
People may say that it's random that I picked those two specific subjects to ban, but it's not. Those are the things that people chatter about when they've got nothing else to talk about. The rest of the world - well, my bloody office, people in the pub and on the bus - I have to put up with it there, I want to just draw a line in the sand where I do not have to listen to it.
The early pre-cooler thread was an experiment to find out that if those "substitute for conversation" topics were banned, what would people talk about? Would they feel freer to talk about themselves and their own lives/concerns? What other things would people chat about? Now, obviously, it turned out to be a success, and there is a culture there which a lot of people enjoy and stay for - EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T LIKE ME. Funny, that.
As ILX has got nastier, I've got more defensive on them, yes.
And people have joined in the conversation/atmosphere who don't understand the principles of why those certain things are banned, and then go off and start massive rows when asked not to talk about sport and/or reality TV programmes. Which again, makes me defensive that the 'Cooler is getting ... *infected* with the whole culture it was trying to avoid.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Upset about locking bummers thread?
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LimitedLiabilityGirl/LokiSulk.jpg
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
so much so i don't even see the problem... jokes, but yeah i am a bit, but less than OTHERS I COULD NAME. i have no respect for this thread and the tired zingle i came up with was all it really deserved. note steve thought it'd be deleted, and i kinda did too.
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
+other people's programmingcomputer gamesother people having sexetc.
basically anything that doesn't interest you right? i mean why not just admit it?
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Which makes me think that all the hand-wringing about how poor LJ is a great example of the nasty dickishness of ILX not only bullshit, but insulting. It seems that he needs your hand-holding about as much as he needs serious advice on how to lead his love-life from you people. So, perhaps we can drop that trope, yes?
― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
It's not like ILE was wall to wall threads about sport and Big Brother ever. There must be more to it than this.
It seems fair enough to want to carve out little niches for ourselves and our friends/anyone who'll play along, but when this happens I dislike the pretence that ILE has any real meaning still. It's lost a lot of it's value conceptually as a result.
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link