Books a Man Has Given Me That Made Me Swear NEVER to Go on Another Date with Him EVER Again

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yeah, i don't think a man has ever given me a book that made me think this! and while maybe i should've thought twice about the boy who gave me 'infinite jest', i was all swoon swoon heartbeatz 'lo those many years ago. a guy did give me a dh lawrence book once, but this was after we had broken up. it was 'apocalypse'. haha. am quite sure that was unintentional though.
xpost, to before scott's awesome answers

impermanent rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I know that's Richard Ramirez on the right, but at first glance I thought it was David Hasselhoff, which would make that book beyond awesome.

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:15 (seventeen years ago) link

[many many xposts]

milo, it depends on the woman.

the Pevear/Volohonsky translations would have gotten me to swoon.
(my husband decided to indulge my love of Japanese rock bands, theater/film and shiny things instead).

Another great breakup book: De Profundis.

patita (patita), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:15 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/ToServeMan3.jpg

latebloomer (clonefeed), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://bookweb.kinokuniya.co.jp/bimgdata/FC0060014164.JPG

impermanent rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i would marry the man that gave me a copy of the happy hooker.

children of mentalists (get bent), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

that man would probably be tokyo rosemary.

children of mentalists (get bent), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I kid, of course. if anyone ever gives you a copy of Naim Suleymanoglu - The Pocket Hercules - MARRY THEM, immediately.

scott seward (121212), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, haha, you're right, jbr, esp if it was that pink cover edition! (which is the one i read when i was, like, 12...)

impermanent rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

given the right context, arguments could be made for a lot of books

that said, dianetics kinda pwns this thread

impermanent rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

i would way rather get dianetics than

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Another great breakup book: De Profundis.

EMO HATER

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

if anyone ever gives you a copy of Naim Suleymanoglu - The Pocket Hercules - MARRY THEM, immediately.

I love that dude. I remember seeing him in the Olympics and how he had to escape Communist Bulgaria so he could change his name.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

lolol at "Vic Eating Cabbage"

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i think that anything on this amazon list would be a guaranteed future date-breaker.

Eisbär (Eisbär), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"My Awakening: A Path to Racial Understanding by David Ernest Duke"

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

OTOH, you might get to score w/ either of the prussian blue chicks or paris hilton (same thing).

Eisbär (Eisbär), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.ansible.co.uk/books/necronom.gif

nklshs (nklshs), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

speaking of paris hilton and books (an oxymoron, i know, but bear w/ me) -- i dunno what kind of reaction this one would get from a date:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0446694304.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Eisbär (Eisbär), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Transformers: The Ultimate Guide

Transformers: The Ultimate Guide is a detailed look at the fantastic world of these mechanical marvels. Follow each character's history and witness the amazing evolution of the Transformers, from physical structure and weaponry to personalities, alliances, and important battles. Detailed illustrations show exactly how each character "transforms" from warrior robot to high-powered vehicle. Special feature spreads cover all aspects of the Transformers' world and include specially commissioned maps and detailed city plans of their home planet of Cybertron, descriptions of the giant space ark in which the Transformers traveled to Earth, major wars in Transformers history, and much more.

nklshs (nklshs), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:15 (seventeen years ago) link

from the author of the above amazon wishlist:

Newest Remy Zero Release: Music for Middle Americans, February 6, 2002
The band Remy Zero released its third and newest album, The Golden Hum, under the Elektra label, striking a resonant political chord across America. Critic Gary Schaefer got it right when he said, "Bands like U2 and Remy Zero are bringing answers to a nation, which after Sept. 11 has come to ask a lot more questions." The captivating album indeed bears political significance. The lyrics reflect our national condition, and are a much better barometer of the State of the Union than any petty Beltway politician could provide.
Comprised of frontman Cinjun Tate, guitarists Jeffrey Cain and Shelby Tate (Cinjun's bro), bassist Cedric LeMoyne, and drummer Gregory Slay, the quintet began as kids in Birmingham, Alabama. Many say their style resembles that of Radiohead, U2, and Black Lab. Amazon.com's Adam Silverman describes their lyrics as simultaneously "dark and uplifting, cynical and hopeful," while other aficionados refer to them as "longing" and "moody."

The first single of the album, "Save Me," is also the theme song of the hit WB show Smallville, which chronicles the high school career of budding super hero Clark Kent. Twenty-four-year-old actor Tom Welling plays Kent, who in this period is the best friend of the young Lex Luthor (Michael Rosenbaum). The able presence of Welling on the screen matches well with the message carried in "Save Me." Welling's Kent proves that nice guys finish last, yet he remains constant and true.

"Save Me" relies on a recurrent, subtly shifting chorus whose complex depth and beauty arises from its relative simplicity. The content is just as rich as the form: "I feel the waves crash down inside/ and they pulled me under/ I would give you anything you want, but know/ you were all I wanted/ and all my dreams have fallen down/ crawling around and around/ ...Somebody save me/ Let your warm hands break right through/ Somebody save me/ I don't care how you do it/ Just save me/ I made this whole world shine for you/ Just stay, stay/ Oh, come on/ I'm still waiting for you."

Listening to these lyrics brings pictures of a world encased in ice, knocked far from the stable orbit of a warm sun. Yet, the possibility ever remains that "warm hands" will "break right through" to save us, and we are desperate enough not to worry about how it happens. Practicality and effectiveness are what matter. The stage is set and the conditions are right for the man on a white horse (Clark Kent?) to arrive, just in time. An excellent and provocative suggestion that such a strongman is necessary to restore the pre-1913 American Republic is in Michael A. Ledeen's Machiavelli on Modern Leadership.

I have debated whether the passivity that comes at the receiving end of a hero's deeds is healthy for paleoconservatives to embrace, politically or spiritually. After all, Americanism means self-reliance, and even Tom Welling says in a WB interview that he does not like sheep.

However, there is no danger here. Men can dream. It helps to have ideals to compare reality to, a Northern Star, even as we recognize that our reality is forever doomed to fall short of those ideals. The journey and the effort are what count. There may be no man on a white horse, but there can be a damn good grassroots effort by Middle Americans. It is probably better that way, since a mass movement can never collectively compromise with the special interests, "banksters," and multinationals (not to imply that any of our leaders have sold out, but merely the foreclosure of the very possibility).

I envision a young, brooding, upcoming populist Right generation wielding Pat Buchanan's books with one hand and balancing The Golden Hum in the other. I also expect "Save Me" will play when the nominee takes the stage at the national party convention, the next time the grassroots conservatives field a presidential candidate.

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:29 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG

Eisbär (Eisbär), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i really hope this is an elaborate amazon-based jole

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

by jole i obviously meant joke

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:43 (seventeen years ago) link

ah fuck I was just about to post that!

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 04:43 (seventeen years ago) link

that review builds up so perfectly to the Buchanan line.

Rick Gibralter (grady), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 05:15 (seventeen years ago) link

However, there is no danger here. Men can dream.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i could totally see that PEW dude writing something like that ...

Eisbär (Eisbär), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I call a moratorium on men dreaming.

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 05:28 (seventeen years ago) link

PEW isn't that lyrical

friday on the porch (lfam), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean, talk about clunky prose

friday on the porch (lfam), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link

If a woman gave me Canadian Crosswords, I would know she was my soul mate.

Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link

This would probably be a deal breaker even if I saw it on her shelf.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0722532938.02._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

This, I just don't want to be given, at least not with any significance attached:
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0747546290.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"a guy did give me a dh lawrence book once, but this was after we had broken up. it was 'apocalypse'."

that is an insane book...first lawrence i ever read after a tipoff from my english teacher.

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 08:05 (seventeen years ago) link

??

ZapHershElhoff?

there to preserve disorder (kenan), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 08:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never given or received a book on a date, only after the relationship has already been established. Is this common practice? Maybe it's because I tend to date the happy-go-lucky hippie types instead of goths or poets.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 08:39 (seventeen years ago) link

In my case it would be difficult for a man to really guess what I liked unless he had ever been in my house. It's hard to explain your love of the British navy of the Nelson era and accounts of whaling ships being stove in by whales to people you don't know very well.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember one time I visited the flat of a potential love interest, and noticed she had a few books on astrology and one about auras. It didn't completely kill the interest, but it was kinda bummer.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps my dislike for astrology-believers is heightened because a former girlfriend once told me we don't really fit together since we have the same sign.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Christ, fucking astrology.

Actually, the book that would annoy me most would be one of those "how to write lovely journals" books, or rather, a "how to journal" book, since it has become a verb now. Thanks! I can write on my own! I'm not a baby!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 09:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The only book I have given on a date was '1066 and all that' it was well received but the dating led to nothing.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I was going to give someone the master & margarita but then she went away

Subtractive Synthesis (Subtractive Synthesis), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Hrrmmm. Any gift of books from a mang is usually quite happily received - I'm just glad that they *read*!

OK, the lamest gift was an ex boyfriend who gave me two books - the Story of the Theremin and the Book of Moog - both of which were GRATE, but then a few weeks later, turned around and gave them (again) to a friend of his! Dude! WTF?

masonic boom (kate), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

(Hitchhikers movie >>>> the Philip Pullman books)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

HA HA HA!

Srsly Andrew, that's mental talk.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Well Hitch-hikers books better than Pullman books obviously, but the film was great by means of being faithful in a hitchhikers sense (IE reworked for the medium) rather that LotR's dull "everything in the book, exactly as you imagined it" (not entirely true, but truer as the films went on).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Kate, what circles do you run in that you meet so many men that don't read?

A lot of the sort of rock boys I used to date just didn't read. They'd read magazines, but not books, and certainly never novels. (that said, some rock boys are literate, but I was surprised by how many aren't.)

Also, office people. I work with a lot of people in IT or accountancy. I swear to god, the last bloke I dated, he owned five books - 2 of which were Grisham and 2 Dan Brown. He simply did not read. I could not get my head around it.

My girlfriend in high school was forced to keep her books out of sight because her mother thought they were "messy". They watched TV in her family - even her sci fi/fantasy books were viewed with suspicion.

I kind of take it for granted that people read, because that's the kind of family I come from, and the kind of people that I have for friends. But there are lots of people that simply do not.

It's hard not to make it sound like a value judgement or snobbery, but honestly these people's way of thinking and worldview is so far removed from mine that I've learned not to even contemplate a relationship with someone who doesn't read voraciously. It just doesn't work, it's like you're speaking different languages.

And - again, this is my opinion, not a value judgement - I would never date someone whose only reading material was bestseller standards. I mean, it's one thing to read Harry Potter or Dan Brown as a supplement to a well-rounded reading diet, but quite another if that is the only thing a person reads.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

!!! IT people are sterotypical bookreaders, certainly most of the ones I know are considerably above average.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

(Hitchhikers movie >>>> the Philip Pullman books)

-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...), February 14th, 2007. (afarrell) (later)

HA HA HA!

Srsly Andrew, that's mental talk.

-- accentmonkey (tris...), February 14th, 2007. (accentmonkey) (later)

yeah, really! there's something misaligned in your head/soul, my friend.

emsk ( emsk ), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"In IT" can mean many varying things. Sometimes it means "geeks" who yes, are natural readers. But not all of them. Some are just dull technical fellows with no imagination.

(Hrrmm, now that is one of my biases - I automatically equate "not reading" with "no imagination".)

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't really read fiction, these days I finish around 1-5 novels a year. On the other hand, I read a lot of academic books and non-fiction (around 2-4 books a month) plus comics. Maybe that explains why I find this book-as-a-date-gift thing weird, I mean, how many girls would find a Judith Butler or a Chandra Talpade Mohanty romantic?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Tuomas, maybe this itself says something about your worldview, that you view 1 to 5 novels a year "not really reading" when I know people who probably haven't read 5 novels in their *life*. (Outside of school.)

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but most people I know (including the ones I've dated) seem to read at least a novel a month.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

It's possible that it says something about both your worldviews.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

That's because you mainly date women; women read more fiction, men more non-fiction. I have to tear myself away from whatever weighty tome I happen to be reading to enter the frivolities of fiction.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Belay that - I read almost exclusively fiction.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I have nothing against fiction, I just feel I don't have the time to delve into it, because it takes more concentration and effort. You can read comics or non-fiction books while riding the bus and listening to music.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, novels is a red herring. Even "1 to 5 BOOKS, fullstop" would be a lot for some of the people I've known.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to read lots, average a book a week, then for some unknown reason I just stopped for ages. I just haven't been able to get back into the habit of reading books. I just read the free papers to and from work. I think the only books I've read so far this year have been about music, so they don't really count. I've been carrying around Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut in my coat pocket for 2 months and only read half of it.

I think the only books that could actually put me off someone if they were given to me would be extreme right-wing politics. I don't think I would dump someone just because they had different taste in fiction.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Extreme right-wing politics? Oh, my brother used to give me those, too. Ha! And I'm not talking your Ann Coulter crap, I'm talking the philosopical ones that actually *meant it*.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Richard Kaplan type stuff? I have one of his at home, for research purposes. But stuff I won't hate keeps getting higher priority.

Cycling has kind of killed my bookreading - it should in theory get me home in time to get an hours reading in at the evening, but it never seems to work like that.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm amused at how Kate is having to defend a position here that is simply a fact, and that fact is that a lot of people do not read books.

For example, many of the people in Mister Monkey's office do not read books or appear to engage in much culture beyond the internet and computer games in any way at all. And even, Andrew, a lot of the people we both know from the Place You Used to Work are not readers. As an example, I offer you the case of our friend C, who now runs his own company. He only reads books like "How to Maximize your Money" or else textbooks. My old friend Stephen C is the same. It's just how things are.


accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

There's more to life than the internet, I know, but not much more.

Is this our friend C who's now worked in two jobs with Mister Monkey? I didn't know he has his own company, but I'm not surprised. He's got a missus who does all the reading, no?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesse, who gave you Stranger in a Strange Land?

Framed black and white photos of two hobo children kissing made me think of this:

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/0740735403.01._BO2,204,203

It's not so much that I would dislike someone who liked this book as I would dislike someone who was so dim as to have ever spoken one word to me and yet still somehow think that I would like this book.

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

BOOOOO. I meant:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1559120177.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I would dislike someone who gave me any Ayn Rand, though.

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this our friend C who's now worked in two jobs with Mister Monkey?

That is the very chap.

Anne Geddes wants kicking.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link


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