― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link
also, C. Paglia is no longer worth any of my neuronal function
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm glad paglia is back, she's always interesting to read. strangely i see the dem presidential field in much the same way & am def. supporting edwards right now, i like his straightforwardness and the fact that he doesn't have much to lose this time around, and i also like that he doesn't take obama's "transcend politics" approach which might sound nice but is arrogant and kind of insults the voters' intelligence, politics is everywhere and not any more/less dirty than anything else in life. hillary prob has too much $$$/organizational savvy for edwards to defeat her but you never know.
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link
you rule out the possibility that he's playing left because there's no other way for him to get sufficient $ and primary voters?
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link
I am leaning Edwards for the moment... dar1a, how will you bear it if we support the same horse?
Franken tackled some heckler during the '04 campaign!
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link
his hem/hawing about s.s. unions has been discouraging tho.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link
It doesn't matter re: far-left appeal, the far-left isn't going to win you anything (most dem primary voters aren't far-left, esp Iowa, NH), being against the war & for starting to bring troops home is mainstream right now, universal healthcare has a lot of mainstream support, Edwards has a lot of ties to organized labor & has been working on building/strengthening them since 04, he's also by far the savviest in use of blogs/technology without showing any sign of letting that aspect of his campaign pick up and run away with wild fervor a la Dean. and like Iowa last time around I see him as.. having enough of his own support + being seen as a viable alternative by supporters of the other candidates, it could be a winning formula - he's not polarizing.
I wouldn't call Obama dead in the water but I don't see his campaign as having near the solid support of Edwards and expect him to be the Dean type flash in the pan this time around, albeit less likely to have a spectacular crash and burn
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link
My ref to the far left/money angle was just in response to gabbneb's comment about Edwards' need for $$$. (I know the far left doesn't have a) a lot of money or b) the sole power to win elections)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link
here's a link to the proposals
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link
do you see Obama having this same problem? this is an honest question, I'm not sure myself.
"And to the extent you believe that he was 'taken out', the people purportedly responsible for same are part of the coalition lining up behind Obama now."
Well right, which is one of the reasons why I don't think he faces the same intra-party threats as Dean.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link
absolutely not
Obama recently pulled a 17,000-person crowd outside a major metro in the freezing cold (admittedly in his backyard). Did Dean ever pull a crowd that size in a big city in good weather?
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm stunned. but obama does come off as an egomaniac a lot of the time
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link
re: edwards, he's never brought his son into it. i don't think that's all the motivation. the whole 'son of a mill worker' thing got to be a shtick after a while but there's something very relate-able about the story, that in this country anyone should be able to work hard, make a decent living, buy a house, send their kids to college, and even dream of them becoming president..
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link
not as a theme, no. but some people, myself included, have long identified some hard-to-pin-down inauthenticity about johnny sunshine (I believe it was one of those Political Insider dudes who was complaining recently about the perceived put-on of his squinty-eye shtick), and I think it may be rooted in a protective shell built over an underlying familial sadness - to the extent that he (understandably) doesn't talk much about it, he's also in some sense not being totally on the surface. people don't want a guy wearing a mask.
― nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link
no one stays hot forever
― nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link
obviously, Little Obama would be satisfactory to me. but Big Obama is why I lean his way.
― nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link
i don't think edwards is so much johnny sunshine any more and that's a good thing, it did seem like a mask because it's obvious, nobody gets elected to the Senate by really being mr nice guy.
― dar1a g (dar1a g), Thursday, 15 February 2007 05:03 (seventeen years ago) link
One policy Hillary has ever "made," pls? The healthcare triumph?
[Dean's] support was limited to a sizable but insufficiently large minority without serious prospects of growing during the primary
Oh, bullshit. He was torpedoed by the DLC and MSM.
Worried about "authenticity" in prez candidate, yeah, LOL.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link