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8:20PM "A Journey to Iraq" - World Premiere! (43 mins., 2006)

Directed and Produced by: Benjamin Wilbanks. A group of American Christians travel to Iraq to teach a group of Iraqis how to operate a printing press, and in the process discover that Iraqis are grateful for America's help and want freedom and progress as much as anyone else. "A Journey to Iraq" shows a side of the War on Terror that is rarely seen in the mainstream media. (Documentary, 43 minutes, 2006)

Eisbär (Eisbär), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

2:00PM - 3:35PM "Hedwig and the Angry Inch" (95 mins., 2001)

Directed by: John Cameron Mitchell. An aspiring young capitalist (John Cameron Mitchell) struggles to escape the communist Eastern Bloc only to be betrayed by a confused deviant youth who does not respect intellectual property rights (Michael Pitt).

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Camille Paglia generally OTM in her assessments of the prez contenders(well, her affection for Mitt Romney as hearkening "back to the patrician days of sophisticated Republicanism" is kinda ummmmm, and she sez she'll vote for HRC if she's nominated):

Right now, I'm leaning toward John Edwards in the primaries. He has problems -- a thin political résumé, a fancy estate at odds with his populist message, and a dated hairstyle that looks femme and foofy at a time when military buzz cuts and Caesarian close crops are in. But Edwards is a ferocious, knife-sharp debater with foxy, seat-of-the-pants smarts, and I hope he creams his opponents. It would be a relief to have an articulate president again...

I love the way Barack Obama has nimbly upstaged the ponderous Hillary machine. It's a Bette Davis/Joan Crawford bitch fest! But Obama's effusive gusts of generalities irritate me; it's all sizzle and no steak right now. He needs seasoning: 2012 may be his year...

On the Republican side, I've never understood liberal journalists' infatuation with John McCain, who's as mercurial as Hillary in his ideology-of-the-day. Those two are peas in a pod -- always dialing up the weather report and sleeping next to a window with their fingers in the wind. If Rudy Giuliani improbably wins the Republican nomination, which would require primary voters shutting their eyes to his liberal social views and checkered sex life, he would roll like a juggernaut into the White House on the strength of his macho authoritarianism in this time of war. Giuliani's got balls, but do we want this democracy drifting any further toward a police state?


http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2007/02/14/return/print.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't seen evidence of Edwards' "ferocious, knife-sharp" debating yet.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, Al Franken's in for Senate against Coleman.

If he can really channel the Wellstone thing, he has a shot.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Franken doesn't want to leave Iraq tomorrow, hence he's not even Paglia let alone Wellstone.

Well Alfred, she also accuses A___ N___ Smith of having comic verve or something.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Following up the bits I posted upthread, here's some more about 24's rightwinger reffing, to the point where you have more columnists & talking heads pointing to the show to support their fears/torture-fuck-wants

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Franken isn't going to channel the Wellstone thing in the sense that he's going to be neither a former schoolteacher nor a former wrestler, but he might get a bit of eau d'Wellstone by virtue of being at least semi-authentic. I think he can win by virtue of menschiness and humor (ie humanity), but perhaps I am rather naive.

also, C. Paglia is no longer worth any of my neuronal function

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

was she ever? she's never been anything more than an occasionally entertaining name-caller to me.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but but but she references Bette David and Joan Crawford!

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean summoning Wellstone's progressive stance, orientation, and language.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

right. i believe those things had much to do with his lionization by liberals, but little to do with his electoral successes other than in the sense of a fighting spirit. he had the rare ability among contemporary pols to be righteously indignant without ever appearing self-righteous or irrationally angry.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe Franken IS an ex-wrestler

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, i think you're right, my mistake

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

he still doesn't have wellstone's (literally) pugilistic stance tho. he does a kinder/gentler form of wellstonism.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

franken is an ex-wrestler, that's true. i think he will annoy people..

i'm glad paglia is back, she's always interesting to read. strangely i see the dem presidential field in much the same way & am def. supporting edwards right now, i like his straightforwardness and the fact that he doesn't have much to lose this time around, and i also like that he doesn't take obama's "transcend politics" approach which might sound nice but is arrogant and kind of insults the voters' intelligence, politics is everywhere and not any more/less dirty than anything else in life. hillary prob has too much $$$/organizational savvy for edwards to defeat her but you never know.

dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Edwards is dead in the water

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i like his straightforwardness

you rule out the possibility that he's playing left because there's no other way for him to get sufficient $ and primary voters?

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

and they call ME a cynic!

I am leaning Edwards for the moment... dar1a, how will you bear it if we support the same horse?

Franken tackled some heckler during the '04 campaign!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I just don't see him occupying any ground that isn't covered by other, more prominent and skillful candidates. I can't imagine him having enough far-left appeal (not after his previous candidacy) to raise any serious money.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

never mind far-left, Shakey, wt about medium left?

his hem/hawing about s.s. unions has been discouraging tho.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the poll in this post is worth consideration wrt Edwards. Tho I wouldn't oversell it - it's probable that it reflects the other candidates' popularity or a name recognition factor before an unpopularity issue.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I suspect the major candidates would try to do & be able to do approximately the same things as president, HRC would have to raise taxes as well if she wanted universal healthcare.

It doesn't matter re: far-left appeal, the far-left isn't going to win you anything (most dem primary voters aren't far-left, esp Iowa, NH), being against the war & for starting to bring troops home is mainstream right now, universal healthcare has a lot of mainstream support, Edwards has a lot of ties to organized labor & has been working on building/strengthening them since 04, he's also by far the savviest in use of blogs/technology without showing any sign of letting that aspect of his campaign pick up and run away with wild fervor a la Dean. and like Iowa last time around I see him as.. having enough of his own support + being seen as a viable alternative by supporters of the other candidates, it could be a winning formula - he's not polarizing.

I wouldn't call Obama dead in the water but I don't see his campaign as having near the solid support of Edwards and expect him to be the Dean type flash in the pan this time around, albeit less likely to have a spectacular crash and burn

dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

but Dean was just a flash-in-the-pan because he'd made enemies in the party - I doubt he'd have been so derailed otherwise. I don't see Obama having that same kind of intra-party combativeness.

My ref to the far left/money angle was just in response to gabbneb's comment about Edwards' need for $$$. (I know the far left doesn't have a) a lot of money or b) the sole power to win elections)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

how "far" are we talkin? Feingold far?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

nonpartisan is a smart guy. we went to the same college (but not at the same time).. I don't agree with him there, though. he is taking those very general poll numbers too seriously and it's too early for that plus they were likely impacted by recent candidacy declarations. and I thought edwards' comments quoted in that piece were on the money - yes, let's by all means talk about urban and rural poverty (i'm from appalachia and though my family was lower middle class, i certainly saw enough of it growing up) - but let's *not* turn it into a crusade about "freedom from poverty" - Edwards is 100% correct in emphasizing investment in education, taking responsibility and taking action, the right to work. That's how he'll win those voters, because even those in poverty have their pride and they are by & large looking for the opportunity to make a better life and a decent job for decent pay, they are not looking for a politician to swoop in and free them.

dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm thinking my interjection of "far" has been distracting here - farther left than he normally has been (ie, gabbneb ref'ing him playing left) was what I meant. altho yes I guess that could mean he's come closer to someone like Feingold, I don't really know.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought kucinich was the far-left guy? feingold is a contrarian

dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Dean made the relatively rare transition from perceived marginal candidate to major candidate and media phenomenon, a position in which Obama already finds himself. Dean wasn't eliminated (solely) because he'd made enemies in the party, but because even at the height of his appeal his support was limited to a sizable but insufficiently large minority without serious prospects of growing during the primary. And to the extent you believe that he was 'taken out', the people purportedly responsible for same are part of the coalition lining up behind Obama now.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

well, speak of the devil.. edwards just sent a message to his mailing list "Time to End the War"

here's a link to the proposals

dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"even at the height of his appeal his support was limited to a sizable but insufficiently large minority without serious prospects of growing during the primary."

do you see Obama having this same problem? this is an honest question, I'm not sure myself.

"And to the extent you believe that he was 'taken out', the people purportedly responsible for same are part of the coalition lining up behind Obama now."

Well right, which is one of the reasons why I don't think he faces the same intra-party threats as Dean.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

(perhaps I should make it clear that while at this early stage I'd predict Obama as winning, that doesn't mean he's got my wholehearted support)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

do you see Obama having this same problem?

absolutely not

Obama recently pulled a 17,000-person crowd outside a major metro in the freezing cold (admittedly in his backyard). Did Dean ever pull a crowd that size in a big city in good weather?

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

personally I don't have a good handle on who Obama specifically appeals to beyond my heavy-duty organized labor in-laws in Chicago.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

his appeal is general, perhaps, rather than specific? which would seem to be a good thing?

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah that's how I see it. I'm sure he'd appeal to my wife if she wasn't obsessed with voting exclusively for women.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd caution us against using "far left" on here, lest we fall for the same bullshit line that rightwingers use when attacking politicians voicing majority-held positions.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

good lord, am i going crazy? i was actually liking this column by peggy noonan of all people

i'm stunned. but obama does come off as an egomaniac a lot of the time

dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i think that obama certainly has a self-confident jocularity that i don't personally find especially appealing (tho it doesn't turn me off in his case either). but i believe that characteristic is demonstrably beneficial in a candidate. see, e.g., bush, george w.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

someone who's spent a lifetime in politics wondering why the field attracts egomaniacs is kinda perplexing. certainly its no surprise that the people that lust after power enough to sacrifice their entire lives getting it are, 9 times out of 10, egomaniacal jerks...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i've decided, maybe, that the thing with edwards is that it's really about his son - it's about the issues and public service and doing right and all those other things of course, but an admitted underlying motivation is seeking the ultimately meaningful life after meaning has been snatched away. and while that is unlikely to become an issue, explicitly, I think it's apparent to many people when they pay attention that he's motivated by something of the sort. and i don't think that perception will work in his favor. even if a personal motivation is rooted in something the public might have boundless sympathy for, they ultimately distrust and/or don't identify with it.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

you mean something like showing up daddy?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

(granted Dubya was never sold that way and has been careful to deflect attention from his family life/role)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

oh boy!. (but what will i do without my hotline tv crack? :((()

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: like you said

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait, he'll stay with hotline! :)

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe, but they should try and act a little more humble if they want to get very far.. i mean, what happens once it's early fall and the iowa voters have seen all the candidates enough that none of them are going to be won over by the mere fact of obama gracing them with his presence? i don't know, i guess i'm mostly waiting to hear what his campaign is about - he hasn't even been in the senate very long - what is the compelling reason to run this time around?

re: edwards, he's never brought his son into it. i don't think that's all the motivation. the whole 'son of a mill worker' thing got to be a shtick after a while but there's something very relate-able about the story, that in this country anyone should be able to work hard, make a decent living, buy a house, send their kids to college, and even dream of them becoming president..

dar1a g (dar1a g), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

edwards, he's never brought his son into it

not as a theme, no. but some people, myself included, have long identified some hard-to-pin-down inauthenticity about johnny sunshine (I believe it was one of those Political Insider dudes who was complaining recently about the perceived put-on of his squinty-eye shtick), and I think it may be rooted in a protective shell built over an underlying familial sadness - to the extent that he (understandably) doesn't talk much about it, he's also in some sense not being totally on the surface. people don't want a guy wearing a mask.

nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

is this a prelude to a Warner endorsement? co-ticket, *pant* *pant*?!

nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Franken introduces himself

nuneb (nuneb), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link


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