ILNFL sandbox thread, because you shouldn't pass up a chance to LOL @ the NY Giants

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*twilight zone music*

btw, HOW ABOUT THOSE MOTHERFUCKING TENNESSEE TITANS? they're about one good draft away from being a pretty competetive team. bold clams: I'd bet many tall dollars that they are next year's vogue superbowl pick. also I hope they somehow make the playoffs this year and we get a Saints-Titans superbowl.

jeff garcia: FOLK HERO

aidsy (aidsy), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude don't be drunk, it's only 2:30.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

2 L8

i hope the sandbox is still around next year when i can triumphantly quote this post ad nauseum!!!!!!!!!

also has lawrence kansas heard about THE KOSAR wanting to coach THE U

aidsy (aidsy), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

prediction: saints and bears in NFC championship, saints win. saints play colts, saints win.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

a guy was walking past my desk when his cell phone rang, his ring tone was the old MNF (DA-DA-DA-DAAAAHHHHHH, DA-DA-DAH-DAAAAAAAAHH!) theme.

i've never been so insanely jealous in my life.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

WHY MUST I CRY

aidsy (aidsy), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

The league telling Hollis Thomas you can breathe or you can play football is 367% FUCKED UP.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

wow that is completely horrible.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Fantasy craze produces awkward moments for players

By Greg Garber


He swivels in the power chair, furiously working his iMac mouse and keyboard, wrapped in a cocoon of mahogany and football memorabilia.

Click! Click! Click!

Here in the comfort and safety of his stately home office, set in an upscale development outside Indianapolis, Cato June is not merely a linebacker for the Colts. He is the powerful owner, shrewd general manager and X/O-savvy head coach of an NFL fantasy football team called Juneimus D Great -- a name modestly modeled on the emperors of Rome.

Cato June is the Colts' leading tackler with 106 through 12 games.On this late November day, June is not smiling. He bears the stern countenance of someone whose team is scuffling around .500 with the season winding down. At this moment, desperately seeking some receiving help -- Tap! Tap! Tap! Click! -- June is Everyfan.

An estimated 15 million to 20 million Americans play fantasy football. June is proud to be one of them. Admittedly, it makes for some awkward moments. You see, his fantasy quarterback is the Patriots' Tom Brady.

"Playing New England, I can't be happy with him throwing a TD pass, but in the back of my mind, I'm like, 'Yeah, I just got six points in my fantasy league,'" June says, laughing.

In fact, when the Colts played the Patriots on Nov. 5, June's moral compass moved him to sit Brady in his fantasy league. In the real game, however, he was rewarded with two interceptions of the former Super Bowl MVP. June isn't sure which accomplishment was better.

"I picked up [the Jaguars' David] Garrard," June says. "He happened to give me three or four touchdowns that week. I think it was a great GM move by myself."

Fantasy football has exploded into a billion-dollar business. You can find tips everywhere, including the various platforms of the Worldwide Leader in Sports. The premise is simple: Fans build teams by drafting NFL players, who acquire points for recording a variety of statistics. Games are played head to head and, like the NFL, the good teams advance to the playoffs. Depending on the league, the stakes can be quite low -- or dizzyingly high.

As a public service, we should mention that while the NFL has specific rules prohibiting almost everything else, there is nothing in the rulebook that forbids its players from playing fantasy football. While June is one of the few NFL players who admits he plays fantasy football, the phenomenon affects the reality of many in the league. It has become an accepted (and sometimes annoying) part of the game.

"In a game solely designed around the team concept, it's nice to have some individual recognition every now and then," Giants running back Tiki Barber said. "Fantasy football does that.

"It's already the most popular sport, but it's a way for people to delve into the sport and get to know the individual players, which they probably wouldn't have an opportunity to do otherwise."

As Eagles kicker David Akers discovered a few years ago.

"When it first started, I was a little naive on this stuff," Akers said, laughing. "A guy came up to me and said, 'You're my fantasy kicker,' and I'm like, 'Dude, what are you talking about? Maybe I shouldn't be hanging out with you.'"

For most of us, fantasy football is a way to get closer to the real thing. For June, it's something that helps get him farther away.

"It's to get away from reality," June says. "You go into your fantasy world and you put your GM hat on. You take your football cleats off and you try to simulate what it would be like to have your own team.

"It's kind of like the same thing as when you're out there on the field; you really don't know what to expect. You're hoping and wishing that your players play up to a certain potential so that your team can be successful."


Insider trading alert

With no disrespect to ESPN.com's esteemed Eric Karabell (and the cottage industry that fantasy football has become), here are a few pieces of advice from some true insiders, NFL players who play on both fields -- fantasy and reality:

"I think good running backs are a big part of fantasy points," said Redskins tight end Chris Cooley. "They're a position that's hard to get consistent points from week to week. That helped me a lot."

Colts linebacker Cato June's advice is simple: be clear-headed and unsentimental. In a word, ruthless.

"Yards mean nothing," June said. "Catches mean nothing. It's all about touchdowns, guys who get in the end zone. That's who you want.

"There's no loyalty in the fantasy world. I'm sorry, this is your favorite team, this is your favorite player? There is no loyalty if you want to win."

June, it should be noted, doesn't always take his own advice. He regularly plays Colts receiver Reggie Wayne and tight end Dallas Clark. Of course, with Peyton Manning throwing to them, they are regulars in the end zone.

The same is not true of former teammate Edgerrin James, who has struggled running the ball in Arizona.

"Edge is my main man," June said. "I was hoping he'd have a better turnout this year."

Information is power. Good fantasy information is, of course, priceless.

Even Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan, who has two Super Bowl rings, is not immune to those who seek it.

"I had my nephew here as my ball boy," Shanahan said during training camp. "He said he had already picked [rookie running back] Mike Bell in his fantasy league -- and that was before he was [named] a starter, so he had a little inside information there."

Shanahan's son Kyle is wide receivers coach of the Houston Texans.

"We talk personnel all the time," Mike said. "He's got friends, and when they're over at the house, they're always trying to pick his brain about the personnel. They want to get a jump in that fantasy league. [People] never really say they're really asking me a question about fantasy football, but I think you kind of learn that's why they're asking me the question."

Titans head coach Jeff Fisher hosts a popular weekly radio show.

"People will ask, 'How's so-and-so doing?' They'll even ask questions about players around the league," Fisher said. "They come out of left field, but you know what the basis for the question is. It's a fantasy football question."

Many of the football folks interviewed for this story described similar experiences.

"I have some old friends who are trainers and some buddies," Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer said. "I give them a tip every once in awhile. I think the best one was when Reuben Droughns started for us and no one knew he was going to start.

"He started him, and everyone was mad because he got the inside scoop. Reuben went off for 170 yards, something like that."

Said Giants defensive end Michael Strahan, "The only way it affects my life is if I'm eating dinner and some guy comes up and he either says I did good or bad for him that week.

"Other than that, I don't think about fantasy football. I'm out here trying to win the real football game."


(Way) over the top

With 26 TDs already this season, LaDainian Tomlinson is easily fantasy football's top performer.In recent years, the Colts' Peyton Manning has been the most successful fantasy quarterback. Through the first eight seasons of his career, he averaged better than 30 touchdown passes per season.

Even that kind of track record isn't enough to keep the most aggressive fans of fantasy happy.

"Besides, 'Hey, Peyton, can I have your autograph?' it's 'Hey, we need more fantasy touchdowns out of you,'" Manning said.

After he scored rare rushing touchdowns in back-to-back games against the Jaguars and Jets, Manning joked, "I'm just trying to keep the fantasy people happy."

Broncos wide receiver Javon Walker has also felt pressure from fantasy fanatics.

"'We need some touchdowns this week,'" Walker said. "Whenever they tell me that, I am like, 'Shoot, I need some touchdowns, too. If it can come as easy as you say it, then so be it.' "

Said Giants quarterback Eli Manning, "Guys come up and say, 'I need you to throw about four touchdowns this week -- I've got you in fantasy.'"

"You get letters," said Ravens place-kicker Matt Stover, who has been kicking since 1991. "They say, 'Hey, man, you've got to kick well this week, and I will win the Super Bowl.'

"You are really more conncted with the fans. They follow you more. I think it is an ingenious idea, because it wasn't really in existence when I got in the league."


The ultimate scoring machine

With 22 TD passes and 3,315 yards, Peyton Manning is currently the top fantasy quarterback.Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson, as you might imagine, hears this stuff all the time.

"LT, I need 150 yards, I need three touchdowns this week," Tomlinson said. "It's difficult to go out and get 150 yards and three touchdowns every week.

"Please ... like I have control over it."

Maybe it just seems that way.

Through 12 games, Tomlinson has scored 26 touchdowns; he needs three in his last four regular-season games to break Shaun Alexander's record of 28, set last season. Including his two passing TDs, Tomlinson is on pace to produce the greatest fantasy season ever for a running back and perhaps the best fantasy season ever, challenging the monumental previous efforts of Jerry Rice and Marshall Faulk.

All this is from the guy who was only the No. 3 pick in most fantasy drafts, behind Alexander and the Chiefs' Larry Johnson.

"If you are the No. 1 draft pick in fantasy football, or if you're No. 2 or 3, you take pride and want to uphold that honor that someone has drafted you that high," Tomlinson said, breaking into a smile.

"But at the same time, it's not something you go into a game saying, 'OK, I've got to really make sure my fantasy owners are happy after this game.' You know what I mean?"


Cooley KOs his fantasy team

Chris Cooley was a fairly typical kid growing up in Utah. He was all-state at Logan High School, playing tight end and defensive end. He also played fantasy football.

Chris Cooley leads the Redskins in TD receptions with five."I always had a league with a bunch of friends in high school, and we always had a blast with it," Cooley said. "Got together and drafted -- it's something I've always done."

He continued to play fantasy football at Utah State and today, at 24 and tight end for the Washington Redskins, he still plays fantasy, although he might be playing a little out of his league.

"Right now, I have a league with my girlfriend's family," Cooley said. "You can trash-talk with the people you know. I've been scoring the most points every week, and I end up playing my girlfriend and we post back and forth on the Internet."

For a tight end, Cooley has scored his share of touchdowns in three NFL seasons. He had 13 in his first two seasons, and in Week 12 his 66-yard catch late in the fourth quarter gave the Redskins a 17-13 victory over the Carolina Panthers. It was his fifth score of the season.

Cooley began the season with a team heavily stocked with Philadelphia Eagles -- quarterback Donovan McNabb, wide receiver Donte Stallworth and the Eagles' defense. Cooley does not, as a rule, play himself on his own team.

Last season, this hurt him badly. Cooley's greatest day as a professional knocked his fantasy team out of the playoffs.

"I scored three touchdowns against the Cowboys," Cooley said, "and I ended up beating my own team because of myself. I was way more happy about the game. I could really care less.

"It's fun to play the fantasy, but I'd trade three touchdowns any day."


Shifting priorities

Most players interviewed for this story said they believe fantasy football is ultimately good for the game because it creates more fan interest. Several, however, see a downside.

Plummer was among them.

Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer isn't a big fan of fantasy football."I think it's ruined the game, actually," said Plummer, recently replaced as starter by rookie Jay Cutler. "There are no true fans anymore, because if I lose a game I come out of Invesco Field and there's not a Denver fan mad that I lost, but happy because I threw three TDs. When I was growing up, I was a fan of my team, not the points I'm getting.

"It's kind of unnerving to me because you're like, 'We didn't win, but you're happy.' That's not right, because I'm not happy. I don't care if I throw five TDs if we lose. It's all about getting the win."

According to the players, fantasy point totals are becoming as important as final numbers on the scoreboard.

"The last three or four years, that's all they care about," Rams quarterback Marc Bulger said of fantasy football fans. "They come up to you: 'Ah, you lost, [but] you still threw for 300. Great job, I got you this week.'

"I'm more worried about sometimes dealing with people [about fantasy] than I am if we won or lost. Because if you throw for 200 yards, no touchdowns and win, people are more mad at you."

Said Barber, "All they care about is whether I get 150 yards and two touchdowns, whereas all I care about is whether or not we win. So there's an incongruity in the wants."

Peyton Manning described a typical conversation with a fan:

"Hey, great game last week."

"Yeah, but we lost."

"But you threw five touchdowns, and that's all I need from you."


Juneimus D not so great

Cato June didn't draft high enough to make Manning his fantasy quarterback.

June is a fine player on a terrific team, but the fantasy season is not going particularly well. June's team, Juneimus D Great, is idling along around .500. Skill, to put it bluntly, has been lacking.

June's brother Omari -- who is not an NFL linebacker -- is ruling this league of family and friends with his team, O June. According to Cato, there is only one reason for this disturbing development.

"Mr. LaDainian Tomlinson," June said, shaking his head. "It's unfair. It's not fair that LaDainian Tomlinson can single-handedly beat teams by himself. I think he needs to get half of the points, because he's been killing everybody."

June has been getting modest production from Bengals kicker Shayne Graham and Vikings running back Chester Taylor, but Vikings wide receiver Marcus Robinson and Redskins multipurpose player Antwaan Randle El haven't worked out.

Brady, on the other hand, has been more than adequate.

"It's a love-hate thing for Tom Brady," said June, who played at Michigan, as did Brady. "He plays for the Patriots, and we have our thing with them. But at the same time, he's from Michigan. He gives me fantasy points, so I can't be mad at him."

June, like all fantasy fans, is feeling a win this coming Sunday.

"I'm going to come back," he said. "I can see it. It's all possible. That's why it's fantasy. That's why you play.

"If you knew you were going to win, it wouldn't be any fun playing."

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"Mr. LaDainian Tomlinson," June said, shaking his head. "It's unfair. It's not fair that LaDainian Tomlinson can single-handedly beat teams by himself. I think he needs to get half of the points, because he's been killing everybody."

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aidsy (aidsy), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

gonna get raped this week
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deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Said Barber, "All they care about is whether I get 150 yards and two touchdowns, whereas all I care about is whether or not we win. So there's an incongruity in the wants."

OBVIOUSLY, ASSHOLE ; (

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i have eli manning, joey harrington, brett favre, and jay cutler...

which two do i start?

i am kinda leaning toward joey and brett.

t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

eli & brett imho

aidsy (aidsy), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not glad the Titans beat the Colts, but I am happy to see that Travis Henry has gotten a second shot after the Bills treated him so bad.

I think a big reason Tennessee's defense is looking better is that their offense is not constantly going three and out like they did with Collins at the beginning of the year. The Titans looked like the worse team in football back in September. I'd like to see what their defensive stats would rank in the last six games or so. Overall for the season they are still at the bottom of the pack, but they got absolutely destroyed by Dallas (w/Bledsoe) and the Chargers in the first month.


I kind of feel for Lovie Smith, either way he goes unless they get a Superbowl birth it will be bad. As bad as Grossman has played, the Bears are still 4th in the NFL in total scoring. I'd have to stay put, as the Bears have been playing pretty good defensive clubs for the last few weeks. They have already clinched the division and have a couple of gomer games with the Rams and Bucs. I'd let it ride for another game and a 1/2 before making that call. Of course, going to a vet like Griese is not quite the same as the Broncos going with Cutler. I'd hope that Griese would be ready to go. I think anything less than a Superbowl birth is going to be a let down for Chicago.

earlnash (earlnash), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I had a conversation with some guys at work about the possibility of Norm Chow coaching next year's Giants today and we couldn't come up with any good reasons why not.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"I'm not glad the Titans beat the Colts"

you aren't? are you a colts fan?? how can you not be delighted by this underdog success story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tho i wouldn't be shocked if they got killed by the texans next week. but yeah, having a miserable offense does a lot to make life harder for your defense, especially since you often end up giving them bad field position to work with. this is where it becomes apparent how terrifyingly good Chicago's special teams are - if something happened to the defense, I think their STs would be good enough to win them a couple games by itself. anyway i'm not a big football outsiders fan, but they had some interesting stuff on how TEN killed the colts this week:

"The Colts are disadvantaged in their quest to blow teams out because of tempo. Our main statistics, DVOA and DPAR, are based on measuring each individual play compared to the league average. Plays are successful or not based on advancing toward a first down or touchdown. By that measure, the Colts rank first in the league in offense. Conventional statistics, both yards and points, rank the Colts third.

A reason for the mild discrepancy is that the Colts simply do not have the ball as often as other teams. Going into last week’s games, the Colts had eleven fewer possessions than any other team, the equivalent of a full game’s worth of opportunities. On a per possession basis, the Colts average the most yards, the most points, and the fewest punts. The difference in yards between them and second place New Orleans was larger than the difference between New Orleans and 12th place Denver.

Indianapolis gets fewer possessions in part because of their defense’s design. The Colts are built to get the opposition into obvious passing downs. Ideally, this happens when the Colts grab a big lead, as was the case last year. In close games, they rely on making a big play on first or second down and getting the team into third-and-long. The defense focuses on keeping most plays in front of them, requiring their opposition to put together a string of successful plays. Inevitably, a run defense even as bad as the Colts’ will make a stop for no gain.

Also, the more plays the opposition runs, the higher the chances for a turnover. The Colts rank 10th overall in turnovers created, but they rank third in turnovers created per opponents drive.

The Colts would prefer to score quickly, but opposing defenses have adopted the same strategy as the Indianapolis defense. If your personnel are overmatched, prevent the big play and hope to make one big play yourself. The Titans were not perfect at this, giving up two big completions to Marvin Harrison, but they were good enough.

This resulting combination of offensive efficiency, a bend but don’t break defensive philosophy, poor rushing defense, and cautious opposition dramatically limits possessions. The Colts have the longest average drives in terms of plays and time of possession on both offense and defense. Fewer possessions magnify any offensive mistake the Colts make.

A week ago, Philadelphia took this strategy to the extreme by playing exclusively a nickel defense. The Colts responded by gashing them with Joseph Addai. This week, the Titans adopted a cautious defense, but thanks to their athletic linebackers, they were able to play most downs in a base 4-3 defense.

The Colts tried to run through this defense as well, but the Titans were able to control the Indianapolis ground game. Addai and Dominic Rhodes were limited to 95 yards on 28 carries. The Tennessee run defense stiffened considerably in the second half when it allowed 12 yards on 10 running back carries. Peyton Manning is oft criticized for padding his own stats, but at least on Sunday, he should have thrown the ball more often.

The defensive line did its job by preventing the Colts linemen from getting to the second level, but the plays were made by the linebackers. Keith Bulluck, Peter Sirmon, and David Thornton were all over the field. The play of Thornton, in particular, was noteworthy since he left Indianapolis as a free agent. Thornton was never made an offer by the Colts, so he must be pleased on some level to see the run defense struggling without him.

The linebackers were able to stay on the field to stop the run because they excel in pass defense. They played in coverage on a number of plays, and only once, on a pass to Bryan Fletcher, did they give up a big play. Meanwhile, Manning’s first interception came when Thornton whacked Marvin Harrison, forcing the ball loose and into the hands of Sirmon. The second interception came on a great individual play by Bulluck, who read Manning the whole way and made a perfect play on a pass intended for Fletcher."

aidsy (aidsy), Thursday, 7 December 2006 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

TEH KOSAR MIGHT BECUM TEH COACHAR.

Reading the paper today, where every move kosar makes is recorded, koachar wants U of M to create a special position for him to oversee the football program. The dude has been insane now for several years. We are seeing the results.

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, no one cares but me. BROWNS VS STEELERS. This is a time for reflection.

Also, I predict a mention of Derek Andersons big feet within three minutes of cleveland having the ball.

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

no no, I saw the Kosar thing last night, and it was like Adam Schefter going all, "BERNIE KOSAR* has come out today and said he is interested in having the open coaching job at the UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI*!" and I was like, "Yeah, me too Bernie but shit ain't gonna happen for me either." WTF is with that dude? Solvin' yr mysteries, coachin' yr teams.

* this is my approximation of how Adam Schefter inappropriately SHOUTS the subjects of his statements.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"BERNIE KOSAR has announced today that he is interested in the 2008 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!"

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Thursday, 7 December 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

KOSAR INVENTS COTTON GIN, TURNS EYE TOWARD PEANUT PRODUCTS

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i need a kosar fathead now more than ever

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

KOSAR HAS COME OUT TODAY AND SAID HE IS INTERESTED IN CAPTURING LUKE SKYWALKER

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"BERNIE KOSAR: NO ONE CAN HAVE MY PRECIOUS," AGENT REPORTS

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

''UM people knew that I had been offered the president of the Cleveland Browns job,'' Kosar told the newspaper. ''They knew I wanted to get back into football and asked if I'd be interested in the UM job. At first it was just flattering, but then I thought, 'Yeah, I'd really like to look into it.'''


clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

SURE WHAT THE HELL, GOT NOTHING ELSE GOING ON BESIDES BEING PRESIDENT OF THE BROWNS

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd pay good money for Kosar to record a duet with Jay-Z.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

''Jay-Z knew that I had been offered the president of Def-Jam'' Kosar told the newspaper. ''He knew I wanted to get back into rapping and asked if I'd be interested in a duet. At first it was just flattering, but then I thought, 'Yeah, I'd really like to look into it.'''

clevo lk (clevo lk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"Paris Hilton knew that I had already been proposed to by Lindsay Lohan," Kosar told the newspaper. "She knew I wanted to get back into being a family man and asked if I'd be interested in procreating with her. At first it was just flattering, but then I thought, 'Yeah, I'd really like to look into it.'"

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

someone really needs to do a "BIMBO SUMMIT MEETING" photoshop w/ bernie kosar, joe theismann, and dan marino post-haste.

Eisbär (Eisbär), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Bernie looks like shit!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

well he always did

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I lived in Indy for quite a few years, so I do follow the Colts. Up until a few years back, Tennessee used to own Indy like NE, especially back when Mora was coach. Both teams got good around the same time. I definitely respect Fisher and many of the players off of their good teams, they played tough but were not a bunch of chumps.

The Colts defense is soooo poor. They don't give up the big plays like they were prone to under Mora, but teams complete like 60% of their passes and run rampent over them. They are not getting the turnovers or sacks like they did the past couple of years. That speed and agression is also being used against them as teams will kill them sometimes on trap plays.

earlnash (earlnash), Friday, 8 December 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Browns vs. Steelers. Damn Time-Warner and the NFL Network. I'll try to listen on radio. One advantage is no Gumbel and Collinsworth.

Bernie's sounding more and more like some shopping bag lady.

Ice Ice Cream Baby (The Dirty Vicar), Friday, 8 December 2006 00:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Gumbel/Collinsworth are pretty entertaining, Fake Dirty Vicar.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 8 December 2006 02:31 (seventeen years ago) link

how did the Browns wind up with ATL's receivers last night

pathetic.

clevo lk (clevo lk), Friday, 8 December 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The Browns are the next Arizona Cardinals, forever doomed.

clevo lk (clevo lk), Friday, 8 December 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

is there a more pathetic, useless running back than reuben droughns? just asking.

Eisbär (Eisbär), Friday, 8 December 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Droughns is a pretty solid fullback, but I have no idea why people think he can play running back. Next year, though: Adrian Peterson? McFadden?

Michael (Oakland Mike), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, drafting a RB in first round is a must, Droughns is just average at best and can't run outside.

On top of that the Browns need an o-line (LeCharles Bentley looks to be gone for next season as well) and some sort of pass rush.

clevo lk (clevo lk), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

they can't defend against the run either and their secondary has one starter remaining. Starting CB Gary Baxter snapped BOTH his patella tendons on the same play. move the team to LA, it's over

clevo lk (clevo lk), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Poor Crennel. :(

Michael (Oakland Mike), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Droughns is a good player if you match him up with a fast scat back type player.

I wonder how that 5-7 back Garrett Wolfe from Northern Illinois will do in the pros. Joe Morris did pretty good for the Giants back in the 80s. I've seen Parcells say that Morris' size was actually a benefit as he would get "lost" behind the linemen and then was a hard target to hit as his center of gravity was so low.

I like the games on the NFL network. At least they are only trying to sell me on watching more football instead of some crap show Fox has the announcers hawking every two downs. Collinsworth is much better at working a game than being one of those guys in a studio. Collinsworth does actually pick up some pretty good game situation obervations. Anything is better than that MNF abomination crew, if you listen to them, you won't even know they are watching a football game.

earlnash (earlnash), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Benching Droughns this week as he earned 3.83 points = rare good move on my part.

PPlains (PPlains), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

hey do you guys know ben utecht? we were buddies in high school!

grbchv! (gbx), Saturday, 9 December 2006 01:30 (seventeen years ago) link


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