Dear ILE - a plea

I never had it to lose.

I think partly for the reasons I described above (also because ILB used to be a pretty robust separate site). If I start a thread about a specific book on ILB, I can be fairly confident that no-one's going to image flood it or start a row on it, because those things don't happen there.

Sadly, posting doesn't seem to happen there anymore either, so maybe it should be chopped. I don't know. It's not my board.

Never gotten any sort of explanation on this one. If it's "populist"-related, forget it.

I don't really see it as a 'moral' stance, I'm just trying to offer logical/practical solutions as I see it.

"this is happening, so we should do this more", but missing the clause about whether it's working

i'm saying it's not working because it's a halfway house solution and i'd rather have all or 'nothing', then it would work.

I think the intention should be that this should be mostly true of ILE/ILM as well!

Yeh, I guess. But look at it this way. Can you ignore someone who annoys you most of the time? (Not YOU specifically Dan, I mean YOU the reader) Let's assume you can. Well done, you've just stopped ALL personal attacks on you. Just by ignoring them!

Oh, it's their opinions that you dislike? Attack their opinions to shit, really attack them, show the world how they are wrong. But don't attack them personally, or they'll probably ignore you.

This is not true. I've been attacked/insulted crudely by someone just because I posted a view that differed from theirs. I could keep on trying to ignore them but not if they're going to continue sniping at my posts regardless of whether I 'encourage' it or not. Once or twice is fine whatever but the same shit over years is not.

Who are the Poptimists and where did they go?

including one purely for ball-breaking where people can be as nasty as they wanna be

Hi, we did this in 2004, it was called Noise Board.

xpost: JB, I did precisely that yesterday and was told on this thread that I was being ad hominem and borderline homophobic, so vigorously attacking someone's opinions isn't really going to discourage annoying bullshit behavior.

Noise Board is far beyond just ball-breaking in terms of scope tho.

It's interesting (to me, anyway) because part of me wishes there was some way that you could retain a kind of ownership on threads you start on ILE, and appeal to the mods when people are going off-topic, and so protect the thread and hopefully have it be the kind of conversation you wanted to have, but then Ronan could have been a dick and said "hey, I want all these people talking about their food allergies to start their own thread, this is a thread for Oatibix and nothing else".

I think the intention should be that this should be mostly true of ILE/ILM as well!

Well, that's how we feel, but clearly the people who think that kind of behaviour is funny don't feel that way.

or in one or two cases, frequently.

UH

(just cos ILX wasn't erally like that when i got dragged in kicking and screaming yo)

indeed, and then they'll deny they ever made a personal attack at all despite the evidence being RIGHT FUCKING THERE (see: 7 posts up)

If it was just you, then fair enough. But if everyone ignored them (kinda what I meant anyway, sorry) then they'd soon stop, and either start being nice or go away. After all, the worst thing to do to an attention seeker is to give them no attention. But maybe I've got an optimistic view of the world, and I assume that everyone on this thread is a nice person who really can just rise above any sniping and be a grown-up. Sorry guys.

If only more people were, like, "hi dere it is the internets" and didn't really connect it to life, maybe we could all shrug it off...? But then, what good would online/written/anything communication be at all?

he's talking about marcello who gives a radically different version of himself to different people on different days and you can't expect people to just ignore him cos he's a dick to steve, especially because a fair number of people know him offline and don't notice him being a dick. in fact his better friends do seem to step in and say stop being a cunt when he's trolling. so i think yr strategy is the opposite of right.

Steve, I know that Noise Board is more than just "ball-breaking," but I thought it was worth pointing out that previous instances of "why don't you start your own board?" haven't exactly diminished the level of bullying and zing culture. Since lots of people, like myself, tend to jump around from ILM to ILE to NB, the mentality of one board is often going to seep into that of another.

You could argue that if more people did connect it to real life, then maybe they wouldn't be so dickish.

Speaking subjectively, they have, but they've also allowed it to get a lot of local positive reinforcement going on, so when they spill back over here it's more toxic than before.

I think the problem is that Everyone has a Posse, so no-one's that bothered about what other gangs think of them.

fixed.

see I hate this kind of thing. To me the idea of thread "ownership" and making things stick to one person's idea of on-topic seems really non-organic and against the spirit of board like this altogether. I know it's a matter of opinion/perceoption but I hate it when people start acting like spoiled only children when it comes to "their" threads. (not saying that you're doing this accentmonkey)

-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...), February 14th, 2007.

OTM

did NB introduce this concept?

was it just an honest approach? taking what already happened on ILE and ILM to a logical conclusion?

-- resumo impetus (n...), February 14th, 2007.

It was right is everyone's face, Tyler and I just made it visible. It was on the tip of everyone's tongue, Tyler and I just gave it a name.

Also Sam OTM about ownership.

Some people will find a way to perpetuate feuds and things no matter how much others ignore them or remove themselves. Almost anyone can occasionally act dickish. Usually it says more about what is going on in their own lives, than in the life of ILX - until it takes a major blowup to set ILX acquivvering.

This thread itself has revealed just what different views different people on ILX have about ILX. It's certainly been illuminating in that way. I've generally been feeling relentlessly "OTM" to Accentmonkey.

I suppose you're right about the flameculture of NB infecting ILE, Stevem.

this is steve from forever ago and i don't know if it's entirely serious, but, no! to it all.

xpost

Kate, you're probably the most likely to fit in on the noise board of all the people who dislike it!!!

There was a board where my name was verboten to the point where accounts were deleted for mentioning me offhand. Funny, after I left (4 years ago?), the community decayed to nothing.

Yeah, ditto.

and i don't know if it's entirely serious,

of course it was serious