Right, this thread is for telling folk that the 'proper' ILX is down again, so if you see this above the "ILX is back up" thread it means ILX is back down

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― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the point is, Jon found a HUGE security hole, exploited it, and the admins are not sure how he did it. Jon would probably not nuke ILE, but the hole is severe enough that if someone else found it, the consequences could be dire. Most importantly, there is currently no backup of ILX, so the entire history could be lost if someone exploited the hole.

So a combo of factors in play here. Can't say I blame the admins. It'd be one thing if there were backups but in absence of them, it's probably best to leave the site down.

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

neverforget.jpg

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Point well taken.

This is still kinda funny, though.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

This is different because years ago, nobody actually had hacked their way into getting database access. The board is not being shut down permanently, only 'till it can be put up with the new code.

I guess the point is that in the first place it's not OK for Jon, or anyone else to hack into the database, and more urgently, now that Jon has shown it can be done, it's extremely likely that someone else will do it. Like the CSS flooding thing referred to upthread, Jon didn't CSS flood the shimura curves thread, someone else did, but w/o Jon's example of showing it could be done in the first place, it likely wouldn't have happened.

(x-posts, in which everyone explains it better than I can :( )

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.tsa.gov/graphics/images/x-ray_shoes.jpg

― PPlains (PPlains), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

jon, martyr that he is, doesn't mind taking some stick for being the one to do the sabotage, in order to demonstrate the catastrophic effects of sabotage, were it to ever happen. better for it to be demonstrated by a guy popular and cherished enough on ILX than for it happen without provocation by some random schmoe. just because it never happened before doesn't it mean it couldn't happen TOMORROW, maybe even while you sleep. at night. are you afraid? not nearly enough.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

meanwhile here's an exclusive look at the new code/presentation format

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder what Jon used his admin privs for...?

― Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

lololo

― amon (amon), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

SHOULDNT YOU DO BACKUP BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IF THERES NO BACKUP WHAT IF THE HARD DRIVE JUST GOES AT ANY TIME IT DONT MAKE SENSE. WHY SPEND ALL THE TIME AND MONEY DOING PROGRTAMS AND SEND THE COMPUTERS AROUND THE WORLD IF YOU DONT HAVED TIME TO DO COMPUTER HARDRIVE BACKUP.

― TIM@KFC.EDU (TIM@KFC.EDU), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The hosts were supposed to be doing it. They haven't (along with a shitload of other stuff). I was going to start doing my own this week, ironically.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

so could one do the same thing to the sandbox?

― grady (grady), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, naturally. Should I take it down too?

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

that seems unnecessary!

― dar1a g (dar1a g), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Doesn't stet own thehold? I think if he thinks Jon can fuck that up, preventing that is kind of up to stet.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

DOES NOT PARSE

― hoo got it for steen, vol 3 (hoosteen), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm only joshing about taking it down, rly. Please don't fuck it though Jon, eh?

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but you're quite within your rights to do so if you want to, or have to. Just saying, like.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Because me v everyone else counts in terms of opinions, obv.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

well god forbid all our precious sandbox posts get deleted by JW in a fit of pique over kate st.c

― TOMB07 (trm), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh good for you and your not giving a shit. I kind of hate two people's shite impacting on lots of other people, but hey you're bigger and better than this board so well done you.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck this defense of jon, he's acting like a spoilt child whether his intentions were 'good' or not.

― the table is the table (trees), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

tombot otm. everyone else hysterical.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

OTFM. Cosign. Whatever the cool kids say these days.

erm, xpost.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

what do you think should be done kenan?

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

RELAX

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

SAVE THE CHEERLEADER SAVE THE WORLD SAVE ILX AND TEH SANDBOX.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost And you know, fix stuff, and maybe shut the main board down for a while. Protect the database, sure. God knows I have countless jewels of wisdom stored there.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon's getting tarred with his own brush from previous temper tantrums, but I don't know that this one is particularly egregious...how long did he have admin privs before anyone noticed?

― Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Not giving a shit vs thinking your post was dumb, TS.

I don't think Jon's intentions were good at all. I do think that making a point to state openly it was Jon instead of dealing with that some other way is just causing a tremendous amount more problems than there might've been otherwise though (though I can understand stet writing something like what is on the main ilx pg in anger).

― Allyzay P. Boxcars (trm), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW, while we're fixing security holes, you do not need to have "revoke" powers to delete people's mod privledges.

― Allyzay P. Boxcars (trm), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost I just feel like jon piddled on our collective leg, and it'll wash out.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I do think that making a point to state openly it was Jon instead of dealing with that some other way is just causing a tremendous amount more problems than there might've been otherwise though (though I can understand stet writing something like what is on the main ilx pg in anger).

Yea, this is probably fair -- and I was pissed. I'll change it to something a bit less inflammatory when I get a chance.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Whatever Keith and Stet say is good by me - maybe Jon can make his own board in the interim (or perhaps we could, you know, just go somewhere else, ilx is fucking toxic these days)

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i know this much: it's not as good as it used to be.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

There was something he posted earlier - a screengrab of something - where his login stuff include mod things. I sort of noticed, but didn't think it that weird. That was maybe about 9 or 10 hours ago?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(weird enough that I noticed, not weird enough to alert others, that is)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe Jon can make his own board in the interim

he would've done this two years if he wanted to. there's enough people and topics of interest to keep him here and obviously ilx is more desirable due to it's huge audience and google profile (as long as you don't mention people in any kind of bad light of course), despite it's technical flaws which thankfully some people are only to willing to expose in as cynical a fashion as possible (how else would they get fixed otherwise?).

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, done being hysterical. (i can't drive b/c of law, can't leave the house. whatevah.. i gots projects)

― the table is the table (trees), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Well it's not so bad that certain things JW said on the other board have been deleted - I have lost any sense of having ANY respect for the guy after that horrific bullying on that LJ thread. But perhaps this is because I live in a post-Jade environment and this is the ghost of Shilpa speaking.

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i've lost count of people one could accuse of having bullied louis, mind you.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it's around 12.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Steve, you know the thing I'm talking about, that was fucking disgusting and I can't see how that could be defensible in any way! And you also know who did it!

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.passdrugtestingshake.com/images/prod_synthetic-urine.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh great!

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno what Starry's referring to, maybe I missed all the fun? But there are a couple of people around here I wouldn't miss for their sheer hatefulness, and JW isn't one of them.

― Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

(what thing was this?!)

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.chipshirts.com/photoshop/scarface.jpg

First you get the money. Then you get the amyl. Then you get the poppage.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah what happened 2 outrage starrysarah???? i missed it :'(~

― aidsy (aidsy), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

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