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Does he treat his other band this way?

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

He has another band??

JordanC (JordanC), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

how does anyone who is not severely brain damaged not have a private, internal life?

PORNTIPSGUZZARDO (kenan), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the other band is not "his" band.

n/a (n/a), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not entirely sure it's possible to subtley clip your nails...
True, but I'm up here mostly alone (they are in another room) and I was clipping them under my desk into the trashcan.

any time you're added to a bill it's because the club's booking dude expects that you will bring money into the club, either from ticket sales or drinks
Dude, I know that. I just mean most of the responsibility should be on the headliner or at least the organization sponsoring the show. If the venue feels certain the headlining band will lead to a sold out show, which it did, why have any opener bands at all?

Calico (calico), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

That was a rhetorical question.

I'm just being defensive. I think once a club has asked you to play, they can't go off on you for not bringing in enough people. They can just not ask you to play again.

Calico (calico), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

(boring band business talk ahead)

If he hasn't already, M really should read some books on marketing/management/PR or, otherwise, hire someone to do PR for you guys for three months. You guys need your own n3ptali for M to meet the goals he has set for the band. He's like the guy running a restaurant and handing out flyers on the street and is feeling down when the restaurant only fills up during Summer Block Party Days or when the extended family of someone who works there is in town -- and then wonders why restaurants that hire publicists and take out ads get attention. I wouldn't tell most bands this (and I'm not following this advice), but for his particular goals he needs to pay someone who has the experience of getting other bands to meet those goals (of having their own following). And I know you can't buy that, but you can buy the services of someone who knows how to reach an audience that will stay with you.

(And I keep saying, opening for buzz bands means drawing a crowd that follows publicity - fickle crowd. If M respects bands who, for the most part, bought their attention, then he has to do the same. Or, better yet, headline with local bands, play shows outside of the indie-business world, give other bands breaks before the have their own label/attention/whatever.)

If most of the band's friends are like me, they're more likely to see you headline than to see one of these "buzz band" shows. (I don't think I've been to a single one, other than the night we were both in Madison and I saw Devotchka.)

Same old story - he just needs to find an experienced and pragmatic manager instead of banging his head against the wall and blaming the band.

Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometimes the headliner is the headliner because they're a touring band and they have a bigger reputation, but the local band gets put in the middle slot because they're capable of drawing more within that city and thus can keep a crowd in the club for most of the night (some people come a little early for the first opener, some stay a little later for the headliner).

[i]I think once a club has asked you to play, they can't go off on you for not bringing in enough people. They can just not ask you to play again.[/i]

Yeah, I think that's true. Did I indicate otherwise?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, I'm already used to Nu-ILX faux-HTML.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

opening for buzz bands means drawing a crowd that follows publicity - fickle crowd

Smartest thing yet said regarding this.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the other band is not "his" band.

Correct. He says he bites his tongue in that band a lot because it's not really his place to make decisions, but he has the comfort of knowing that he has another band where he can call the shots.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

M may have better luck with Canasta's "fan base" by sending out e-mails for shows touting "free pancakes" instead of "ooh ooh hot band indie label".

Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I think that's true. Did I indicate otherwise?
I don't know. Probably not. Like I said, I'm just being defensive.

Calico (calico), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Those are all really good points, EZ. xpost Especially the last one!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh free pancakes

JordanC (JordanC), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't think that our fans care about that stuff as much as he thinks they do, no matter how many pull-quotes from Pitchfork he wants me to include in the e-mail announcements.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

If you guys play a show on March 10th that's a potluck, I swear you will get many of your friends/fans. If the show is at the Ice Fac, this could actually happen.

Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

So you guys are like his kickin' dog, then.

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change by kickin' the dog I can kick"

Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Digd0wn has cooked for shows in the past, it's always a hit.

JordanC (JordanC), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

imagining "kickin' the dog" to the tune of "breakin' the law"

PORNTIPSGUZZARDO (kenan), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of which, those chorizo tacos I had before going to bed last night weren't really necessary.

JordanC (JordanC), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

HEY DAN HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU.

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"kickin' dog"?

OH YEAH HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAN I TOTALLY SAW IT IN YOUR GMAIL STATUS BUT FORGOT TO MENTION IT

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

bday!

happy!

PORNTIPSGUZZARDO (kenan), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

happy bidet!

JordanC (JordanC), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. GEOGRAPHY MAN

I wonder what I can cook to bring to the show tonight? I have some leftover stir fry in the fridge.

n/a (n/a), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

There's an ancient popcorn machine always sitting around at Ronny's but I'd be afraid to actually use it.

n/a (n/a), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Mr. Geography Man?!? That's a new one, but I'll take it over "Hey, Jerk".

Thanks guys!

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

If you guys play a show on March 10th that's a potluck, I swear you will get many of your friends/fans. If the show is at the Ice Fac, this could actually happen.

Is this the show that he talked to you about?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm going to start calling you nonsensical middle-school insults.

hey, dickweed.

PORNTIPSGUZZARDO (kenan), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

If ILX had avatars, this could be Dan's:

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/366369/2/istockphoto_366369_mr_global.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Not bad, but I am pretty happy with my avatar on my other board and would probably use it here:

http://alapoisoncenter.org/images/officeruggcy.gif

I keep meaning to Photoshop "GAS FACE" onto it.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

That said, I am glad there are no avatars here.

Last night I tried to remember the name of the main island of Japan and wasn't sure, so I had to look it up. I was right, it's Honshu.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

How did "dickweed" originate?

I'm wondering if it went "dildo" --> "dillweed" (ordinary word that sounds like a humorous insult because it resembles "dildo") --> "dickweed" (a way to restore the original vulgarity).

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Not bad, but I am pretty happy with my avatar on my other board

You've been cheating on us?!

JordanC (JordanC), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Kenan, you dillhole.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dillweed" is like a fakeout, too: you thought I was going to call you "dildo," but no, I'm just calling you a delicious herb, why would you get offended by that?

Similar to when my brother used to call me a "homo ... wner."

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

hey, can't argue with that.

PORNTIPSGUZZARDO (kenan), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

no homowner

JordanC (JordanC), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

You Cu...ntry music fan!

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

From the aforementioned "other" board:

Just what I've always wanted, a furry birthday card.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

jenny's right: we hang out here much longer, we just look like dicks.

PORNTIPSGUZZARDO (kenan), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

NOT WITHOUT MY KEVIN

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

And we are dicks.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

where has kevin been?

PORNTIPSGUZZARDO (kenan), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

In my freezer.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, John (re up above), that's the show I'm talking with him about. And I'm guessing it may be why M was stressed last night - wondering if people would show up for that show. Answer is: make it special. Answer is: potluck. Or: benefit for a theater co. or similar org.

Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 23 February 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link


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