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"Matthews signing was crazy, but I'd rather have him than Juan Pierre"

That's like saying I'd rather have a pile of shit than a stack of rotting meat.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

At least you can use the shit as fertilizer!

Almost anyone besides Erstad in CF would be an improvement, but paying $50 over 5 years for Lil Sarge's career year is a push.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys are idiots.

Alex, you do realize that before he landed Jay Payton, Beane was making a serious run at Matthews? I guess fringe players are only good if they're on the A's.

Matthews Jr. had the #4 highest VORP for CF in 2006 (behind Sizemore, Beltran and Wells), #29 in all of MLB.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also about the Angels. They're in a very similar position as the A's, they don't need a lot of tweaking.

Actually, you forgot to list that the Angels landed Justin Speier (sp?), making their bullpen quite possible the best in MLB.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

No, Steve you are the idiot.

If Beane was making a "serious run TWO SUMMERS AGO, he certainly wasn't intending on then signing him to a 5yr/$55M dollar deal. He was looking for a fourth outfielder at a bargain price.

If the Angels get one decent season from Matthews they should count themselves lucky. He had one very good Arlington enhanced season (and it wasn't a particularly great fielding year by all accounts) at age 32. There is nothing that would indicate that he'll either a) be able to replicate that or b) will hold up well to age 37.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Hit your head kinda hard on your wakeboard, didn't ya, Steveo? I guess you missed the part where Gary Matthews played out of his ass last year, and paying $10M per year FOR FIVE YEARS in the hopes that the outlier will prove to be the mean is ridiculously stupid. But, hey, that's essentially what the Angels did w/ Erstad, so I guess they're continuing a tradition.

And it's great that the Angels signed Speier to make their already sick bullpen even sicker. It's too bad the bullpen can't teach the hitters how to A) get on base and B) get hits that aren't singles - they're going to need someone besides Vlad & Juan Rivera to help them in that department. & survey says Matthews & Shea Hey aren't the solution.

(also, what Alex said)

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"Also about the Angels. They're in a very similar position as the A's, they don't need a lot of tweaking."

This is true, but it doesn't make overpaying for Matthews (and signing Hildebrand at all) any smarter.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Hold on a second, I'm the idiot. I'm thinking of somebody else besides Matthews Jr. who Beane was going after... I wanna say it was a player on the O's and the Cubs...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I was wondering about that myself. Divisional trades are pretty rare esp. given that both teams were nominally still playoff hopefulls.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

corey patterson, lol

bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a world / half-decade of difference between Patterson & Matthews!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

no it wasn't patterson!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

who was patterson traded for???

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

January 9, 2006: Traded by the Chicago Cubs to the Baltimore Orioles for Carlos Perez (minors) and Nate Spears (minors).

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

(and signing Hildebrand at all)

I don't think this was a bad decision at all. The dude is a piece of shit, but he's at least a serviceable 1B/3B guy on a team with nothing but unproven young guys at those positions. It's a one year deal. In the worst case scenario, the young guys emerge and they trade the dude during the season.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, I would rather pay that money for Matthews (who was really quite excellent last year) than for, say, Gil Meche.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

He had one very good Arlington enhanced season

He hit just as well on the road, though.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

He had one very good Arlington enhanced season (and it wasn't a particularly great fielding year by all accounts) at age 32.

But he made that catch zomgsportcenterAMIRITE!!!!!

"Shea Hey" :D

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Anyway, I would rather pay that money for Matthews (who was really quite excellent last year) than for, say, Gil Meche."

I'd rather have a 28 year old league average starter than an aging flash in the pan center fielder, but that's just me.

"He hit just as well on the road, though."

Yeah you're right only 100 points of OPS. That's nothing.

"but he's at least a serviceable 1B/3B guy"

He's shit defender, who doesn't walk and who by all accounts is an asshole with an inflated opinion of himself. That's not my definition of serviceable. AT LEAST it's only a one year deal.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah you're right only 100 points of OPS. That's nothing.

If his road OPS is the OPS he produces with any regularity for the Angels, I think he'll have been worth at least 60% of his contract.

He's shit defender

Who cares about defense from a 1B as long as you aren't Ortiz or Piazza over there.

who doesn't walk

Yeah but the Angels love that for some reason.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Matthews had the 8th best road OPS among starting major league centerfielders.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"Who cares about defense from a 1B as long as you aren't Ortiz or Piazza over there."

$ to donuts, Shea plays more DH than either of those positions. Also why even go with Shea? Rob Quinlan'll put up just as mediocre stats for you.

"Matthews had the 8th best road OPS among starting major league centerfielders."

He's also had one year where he's played that well. The Angels (are) aren't paying for what he did last year. They are paying for what he does the next FIVE. Also how many of those guys are going to make $11/year anyway?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link

He's also had one year where he's played that well.

Yes, we've covered that.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex do you realize that if not for being overpaid by the Angels, Matthews would have been overpaid by the Giants? :D

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha actually I'm glad that Matthews is being overpaid by the Angels (might keep 'em from making a move that'll actually hurt the A's.) I think you mistake me for Steve or Lee though. I could care less that the Giants suck (or would be overpaying for another ancient soon-to-be-has-been.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you mistake me for Steve or Lee though.

Oh yeah, I forgot that you are like me in that you live in the area but don't have terrible taste in baseball teams!

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

HI I HAVE SEASON TICKETS TO THE A'S AND MY BOSS' BOSS USED TO OWN THEM YOU DOLT(s).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

BILL SIMMONS HAS SEASON TICKETS TO THE CLIPPERS.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ANDRE THE HAWK HAS A POSSE

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I HEARD YOU GOT PUNCHED IN A BAR REALLY HARD

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 28 December 2006 04:25 (seventeen years ago) link

haha this is all you guys
http://www.jimsanimation.com/Contact/yelling-cat(contact-page)-c.gif

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Thursday, 28 December 2006 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

btw, biggest offseason move so far: the motherkrukker going on nutrisystem and getting below his playing weight.

seriously...have you seen that guy lately?

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 28 December 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

That's terrible, he'll be less amusing to look at with MUTE on.

Texas gives Borat & Zito a weekend ultimatum, ie they're out.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Giants give Zito seven-year, $126 million deal.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 28 December 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

and a 2014 option for $18 million

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 28 December 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a good park for Barry. I could see him being worth close to that value for most of this deal.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Unfortunately for the A's it's a bad deal, because we don't get a 1st round pick out of this. :(

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Barry is going to be much more valuable in the NL, in my opinion.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe the Giants had to outbid the Mets by TWO years and $51m actually.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Well at least Barry doesn't have to move, I know where his condo is.

</jaymc>

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I forsee a slew of 3-1 losses in his future.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

sheeeeit

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

On the one hand, I think Barry Zito is one of the most likable players in baseball, even in spite of all of his John Mayer/Dave Matthewsness. On the other hand, that's a lot of money!

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

bit of a right-wing nut to be likable.

milo (milo), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

bit of a right-wing nut to be likable.

I don't really know anything about his politics. He's allegedly one of the smarter players in baseball, and is one of the most respected among the union reps.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"bit of a right-wing nut to be likable."

Is he really? I had no idea although with ballplayers it usually safe to assume they are.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

His favorite movie is Happiness, directed by Todd Solondz.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha he can't be that much of a right-wing nut then.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 December 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

A just plain go-go-ga-ga crazy nut he def. is though.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 28 December 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link


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