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he is not physically time-travelling, but his memory has somehow been freed some the constraints of linear time

this is cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

so there are two kinds of lost fans then. stoners who talk philosophy when they are stoned and stoners who just stare blankly at the t.v. when they are stoned? MORE FISH TREATS PLEASE.

scott seward (121212), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Whoa this episode wtf?

Fuck Claire not dying. I'd rather her than Charlie (HIERONYMUS PACE!), who at least occasionally gets some good zings. Also, hobbitses.

Stuck in ILX Limbo (Roz), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I still don't get the Claire-hate. She's a cutie! Is there something loathsome in her diction that my American tin-ear can't pick up?

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's the accent.

METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Guys, Charlie's not dying. No way. Desmond CAN change fate, or else they wouldn't have played that damned Mamas and the Papas song TWICE.

And Beth OTM - you can ask my roommate, I really did say to him (during scene when she thanked Desmond for saving her) "jesus I forgot how cute Claire is!".

nklshs (nklshs), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

where do you think libby fits in with the boat?

she gives/sells it to him right? I guess the only question is who sent her to keep Desmond on the correct fate-path. Maybe Libby was some kind of Dharma manipulator, doing their dirty work in the "real world" -- nudging Desmond in the right direction, keeping an eye on Hurley in the psych ward ....

Desmond CAN change fate, or else they wouldn't have played that damned Mamas and the Papas song TWICE.

but he didn't change fate, the universe "course corrected" until he got to the cricket bat

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

another more literal course correction was that the island wouldn't let him leave on his boat, he sailed around in circles

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

re: claire

Not the accent so much ("MOY BOY-BEEE!") these days. But really, besides giving birth to Aaron, she's probably the most pointless main character and really should be demoted to Rose/Bernard status. But I also think it's a Claire and Charlie thing - on their own, they're ok, but together, blegh.

By the way, if you google Charlie Hieronymus Pace, the first result gets you an Italian biography of Hieronymus Bosch, translated by one Claire Pace.

Stuck in ILX Limbo (Roz), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

one thing is still bugging me about last week's episode and the Tom commment people were talking about -- "ever since the sky turned purple" their communications are down, or they can't get off the island anymore, or something

he was implying that if not for that event they would have sent Ben to a real-world clinic for surgery

but that doesn't really jibe with Ben saying they had targeted Jack bc of his surgical skillz .... they already had Jack in a hood when the sky turned purple

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

My guess is that island-born Ben would rather not leave for medical assistance. So they sought out Jack's help, but were keeping the off-island option as a last resort (like if Dr. Douchebag chose not to cooperate). But then... PURPLE SKY!

lindseykai (lindseykai), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i feel like desmond was sent back along his own timeline, which is unchangeable

just a thought but was Charlie in the flashback really Charlie? if so it was a Charlie who never got famous (or else he would have been all YEAH YOU KNOW ME FROM DRIVESHAFT, BROTHA)

so some aspects of the past maybe are changeable?

although I think I agree that he didn't physically time-travel

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

he is not physically time-travelling, but his memory has somehow been freed some the constraints of linear time

except ehn he gets concussions, maybe?


xpost: i think it was before driveshaft got popular.

Rick Gibralter (grady), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: i think it was before driveshaft got popular.

yeah I guess that's right ... I forgot how the old woman said desmond's boat race was still "a few short years" away

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

k i just watched episode 8. i haven't read the thread yet because i just wanted to immediately post here to say HOLY FUCKING SHIT. SRSLY.

back later.

teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

k my girlfriend just ridiculed my pensive "post-LOST thinking expression" after i spent a couple of minutes rubbing my temples. i feel she is somewhat underestimating my obsession.

teh_kit (g-kit), Thursday, 15 February 2007 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm slow here,

was jewelry-store-mistress-of-time in "next week on lost"?

Rick Gibralter (grady), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

do people in scotland really say "brotha" all the time? I like Desmond but it seems kinda fakey.

METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost Yeah, I thought I saw her in there, too.

danno martinez (danno martinez), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

do people in scotland really say "brotha" all the time? I like Desmond but it seems kinda fakey.

I think it's true, I've read the glasgow thread.

The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I say "Brotha" all the time. But only when impersonating Desmond. Which is all the time. Conversations in our house = "do you want to watch L O S T now, brotha" "yes, brotha", etc.

(I clicked on this thread by accident as I haven't watched this week's yet, but I caught that while scrolling down)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

that's a risky click

this is cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

This episode totally ruled. I loved that so much of it was devoted to the "flashback."

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Has the Desmond Hume - John Locke -philosopher point been made? Not that it means anything.To me.
I didn't love this episode - still like the thread(s) better!
I found it weird that Desmond wouldn't react more when red shoe guy got smushed RIGHT NEXT TO HIM!
That suspension of disbelief was too much for me.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

was jewelry-store-mistress-of-time in "next week on lost"?

I thought that too, but jeweler time cop lady actress (Fionula Flanagen) isn't on next week's guest star roster (but Alex, Karl, and Tom are).

nklshs (nklshs), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Has the Desmond Hume - John Locke -philosopher point been made?

somebody mentioned it at some point I'm sure

there was also a Burke last week

not sure it means much beyond "zomg, questions of free will and causation"

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Drunk Hurley's "DUDE!" was his best utterance of the word since ever.

totally! possibly best uttered word of the past several episodes

so there are two kinds of lost fans then. stoners who talk philosophy when they are stoned and stoners who just stare blankly at the t.v. when they are stoned?

hand raised for former. totally into desmond's non-linear time access, plus some multi-dimensional stuff too

re: claire - that really was the first time in a long time she's looked cute and not been whiney

also, desmond, hottt

impermanent rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(Fionula Flanagen) isn't on next week's guest star roster (but Alex, Karl, and Tom are).

nicka, you are the wind beneath my wings.

Rick Gibralter (grady), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I love how Dezzy's been out of the hatch for, what, 2 weeks?, and he's already the tannest one of them all.

nklshs (nklshs), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

young deezy

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't find this episode that great. Then again lately all the shows have kind of disppointed me :(. Anyway, did anyone notice the dharma logo on dead guy's red shoes? Or was I just hallucinating? I'm almost certain it was there, but what the fuck is it doing there?

jibe (jibe), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I didn't see that! I was so stoked for having called yet another Wizard of Oz ref (right before he got crushed) I must've missed it.

nklshs (nklshs), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I could put a screengrab up if I knew how. I've been looking at the guy's shoes for a minute or so and I still can't make up my mind as to whether there is a dharma logo or not :( Also, I'm quite sure that L O S T is the only tv show where I've rewinded and played the show in slow motion so to as to see a small detail and I feel like an idjut for doing so

jibe (jibe), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

big round of applause to the writers for such an accurate portrayal of London in an American Tv show FINALLY...

red phone box check
policeman in classic 'tit' helmet check
classic cars parked on every street check
pub landlord in shirt and tie check
combo of distant london landmarks suddenly close together (houses of pariament and er, greenwich foot tunnel?) check
angry man with CRICKET bat check

and yeah buskers always attract a crowd of 20 people esp. when it's 'wonderwall'. and the instant rain thing was mega lame.

fuckng loved it tho (altho it really wasn't that revelatory)

bring on charlie death obv. (except he won't die and this will persuade des to restore faith in the future, linda bellingham style)

resumo impetus (blueski), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link

filmed in downtown Honolulu, too! (with obvious bluescreen assistance)

Rick Gibralter (grady), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

they just do it to wind us up on purpose.

nice of them to get Dave Gahan in for the backdrop-photo scene tho

pretty confused about what is meant to really have happened to him during his flashback vs what he imagined. surely that old woman can't have been real.

resumo impetus (blueski), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:18 (seventeen years ago) link

also, probably not significant, but the backdrop for the Dez/Penny photo is HNL.

Rick Gibralter (grady), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link

i just realized blueski was being sarcastic : (

Rick Gibralter (grady), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I love how Alan Fucking Dale makes such a big deal about the whisky, but then it turns out you can go drink it in in any old random pub.

resumo impetus (blueski), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

...or beach.

Rick Gibralter (grady), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Hah but that's OBV the point!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

nice of them to get Dave Gahan in for the backdrop-photo scene tho

OH ROFFLES

METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow... this was teh shit! Desmond is a winner! Best episode since whatever episode from season 1, no doubt. Stepping off the linear timeline was the best thing they could do. Truly warped, truly wonderful.

Le Bateau Ivre (gerard), Friday, 16 February 2007 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I also thought it was a great episode. I really like Charlie and I totally expect that something's going to stand in the way of his death, leading to some sort of breakthrough for Desmond.

(That was brilliant about "Wonderwall," Nick.)

sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Friday, 16 February 2007 03:05 (seventeen years ago) link

does anyone else do a double take when they see posters for this film:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/gradygillan/host.jpg

?????????????

Rick Gibralter (grady), Friday, 16 February 2007 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how Claire took our advice and cut her bangs herself on the island.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 16 February 2007 06:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Dharma shark tried to bite her face off when she was face-down underwater, but was still weak from being shot by Sawyer in S2, so missed by an inch or so, and merely chomped her a new fringe. Everything happens for a reason!

teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 16 February 2007 08:54 (seventeen years ago) link

My mind is still totally blown by this ep.
I think the writers got tired of people saying "sto answering questions with more questions!" and decided to instead answer some questions with a huge WTF (which, I admit, is actually a question, but fuck it).

teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 16 February 2007 08:55 (seventeen years ago) link

why did they have to make up 'Graybridge' football (footage looked like a Spanish game) team when it's OK for them to talk about the Red Sox? DELIBERATE WIND-UP

resumo impetus (blueski), Friday, 16 February 2007 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link


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