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Giants in Zito hunt?

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Stealing this from BTF:

ZiPS absolutely loves the Giants.

Of the 33 Giant hitters I've projected:

1 player with OPS above .800 (Bonds)
1 player with OBP above .350 (Bonds)
3 players with SLG above .450 (Bonds, Niekro, Durham)
1 player with more than 20 homers (Bonds)
15 players with OBP below .300 (Schierholz, Feliz, Ortmeier, Finley, Alfonzo, Hansen, Knoedler, Velez, Matheny, Ishikawa, Sanders, Santos, Requena, Guillermo Rodriguez, Jennings).

The brighest spot found by ZiPS is that all 5 of the Giant projected starters (Cain, Lowry, Morris, Sanchez, Hennessey) have ERAs below 5!

turd burglary (turd burglary), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, but what is ZiPS?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

15 players with OBP below .300 (Schierholz, Feliz, Ortmeier, Finley, Alfonzo, Hansen, Knoedler, Velez, Matheny, Ishikawa, Sanders, Santos, Requena, Guillermo Rodriguez, Jennings):

Finley is no longer a Giant and Matheny's career looks to be over based on the recurring concussion tests.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

As far as I know zips is put together by some baseball think factory stat head that compiles past records, comparable other players, home/road splits and park factors to project stats for the new year. I dont think theyre anything to swear by but its a fun exercise.

turd burglary (turd burglary), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Giants in Russ Ortiz hunt!

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the last Russ Ortiz died in Baltimorian captivity.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Supposedly Ortiz wants a major league contract but the Giants aren't biting. HOWEVER, they did sign Damian Moss who went 0-5 w/ a 7.67 ERA with the Long Island Ducks of the independent Atlantic League last season.

Wow. I mean wow. Hey, I guess Giants fans get to look forward to the All-Star Game!!!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I really don't feel good about Mets pursuing Suppan just cuz he owned them for 15 innings.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

and Marcus Giles to SD for 1 year, $3.75M

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Marcus wasn't exactly playing hardball with these guys was he!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 December 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

That worked out really well! By the time Giles is useless, Matt Antonelli should be ready to play 2B, and now the Padres have a real 3B guy. All the Padres' 3B/2B COMBINED should make less than Julio Lugo, depending on what Todd Walker gets in arbitration. (I can't see it being much more than what he made last year (2.5mil).)

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 21 December 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

The NL West should be pretty fun to watch this season. Padres have done well in the offseason, Dodgers have a bunch of question marks and it remains to be seen what will happen with the AZ youth movement. Its pretty safe to say the Rockies and Giants will be duking it out for 4th.

turd burglary (turd burglary), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

o's seem to be pursuing logic similar to mets/suppan w/ aubrey huff. craig wilson is probably the dude left on the market that be most useful in light of the phelps blunder.

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Phelps blunder? As in Josh Phelps? what's that about?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 December 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

The Yankees got him in the rule 5 for small change.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 21 December 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

the o's signed him and then inexplicable left him unprotected. recall they also did this w/ chris gomez last year.

i am completely perplexed by the "strategies" hatched in the warehouse.

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 21 December 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

zomg did TEH DUGOUT BOIS give shouts to our very own maura?? READ NOW BEFORE IT'S GONE.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Friday, 22 December 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

link?

jmod, Saturday, 23 December 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

http://syndicated.livejournal.com/wordupthome/21957.html

also the new kyle farnsworth epic is pretty great
don't want to spoil it but part 4 involves a midi of 'lose yourself'

maura johnston (maura), Sunday, 24 December 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

JeterJeterPumpkinEater: Baby, it's 5. Not E-5.

homosexual_rod: BAH THEY ALWAYSS SAY ON THE LOWSPEAGER THA

maura johnston (maura), Sunday, 24 December 2006 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link

The original Strawberry comment is too funny in its own right.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 24 December 2006 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

If you're making room for McCarthy by trading Garcia, why subsequently trade McCarthy? Does this mean they're going to let Danks start? Or maybe Charlie Haeger? Or maybe make a run at Zito?

Michael (Oakland Mike), Sunday, 24 December 2006 23:14 (seventeen years ago) link

haha bitches, brewers get suppan, prepare to be pwned by the cheese-and-beers in 2007

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Monday, 25 December 2006 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I am RELIEVED Mets didn't get him, Barry full spped ahead

Dr M, Monday, 25 December 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

brewers' rotation is now Six Good Men deep. wish i could be more confident about our hitting; why we still have kevin mench etc.

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Monday, 25 December 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't know how I feel about the whole Big Unit for Linebrink rumor. I wonder who the Padres would have to give up other than Linebrink? I hope it doesn't include anyone good because uh Unit is about 3803 years old.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd feel great about it if I was Padres fan. I'd think the Yankees are crazy if that's all they get back for Johnson (assuming he's reasonably healthy.) Johnson'll destroy the National League esp. in a ballpark like you guys have.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Im just glad I'm not an Angels fan today. Their big off-season pickups are Shea Hillenbrand and Gary Matthews Jr.?

turd burglary (turd burglary), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 02:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Newsday's Ken Davidoff making sense on Stankees shipping Unit:

You just don't toss away a guy who gives you 200-plus innings, no matter how disappointingly or unpleasantly he delivers them.

Don't count on a Yankees run at Barry Zito if Johnson goes; general manager Brian Cashman has been resolute about creating more roster and payroll flexibility, and you don't do that with a five- or six-year contract to a starting pitcher, even one as reliable as Zito. The Yankees have barely talked about Zito internally this winter, a person familiar with those discussions said.

In a similar vein, the Yankees don't need to create a hole to make room for Roger Clemens. If Clemens decides to join the Yankees - and don't rule out the possibility of The Rocket pitching a full season, be it in New York, Boston or Houston - then the Yankees would gladly give Kei Igawa a one-year internship as a spot starter and long reliever.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spken275030195dec27,0,4261061.column

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Im just glad I'm not an Angels fan today. Their big off-season pickups are Shea Hillenbrand and Gary Matthews Jr.?

Their big offseason pickups could also include Brandon Wood, Jeff Mathis, Erick Aybar, ...

I mean, the Matthews signing was crazy, but I'd rather have him than Juan Pierre, and they did need SOMEONE to play centerfield. Maybe the fiscally intelligent play there would have been Chone Figgins, but it's not the worst possible decision.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"Matthews signing was crazy, but I'd rather have him than Juan Pierre"

That's like saying I'd rather have a pile of shit than a stack of rotting meat.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

At least you can use the shit as fertilizer!

Almost anyone besides Erstad in CF would be an improvement, but paying $50 over 5 years for Lil Sarge's career year is a push.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys are idiots.

Alex, you do realize that before he landed Jay Payton, Beane was making a serious run at Matthews? I guess fringe players are only good if they're on the A's.

Matthews Jr. had the #4 highest VORP for CF in 2006 (behind Sizemore, Beltran and Wells), #29 in all of MLB.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also about the Angels. They're in a very similar position as the A's, they don't need a lot of tweaking.

Actually, you forgot to list that the Angels landed Justin Speier (sp?), making their bullpen quite possible the best in MLB.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

No, Steve you are the idiot.

If Beane was making a "serious run TWO SUMMERS AGO, he certainly wasn't intending on then signing him to a 5yr/$55M dollar deal. He was looking for a fourth outfielder at a bargain price.

If the Angels get one decent season from Matthews they should count themselves lucky. He had one very good Arlington enhanced season (and it wasn't a particularly great fielding year by all accounts) at age 32. There is nothing that would indicate that he'll either a) be able to replicate that or b) will hold up well to age 37.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Hit your head kinda hard on your wakeboard, didn't ya, Steveo? I guess you missed the part where Gary Matthews played out of his ass last year, and paying $10M per year FOR FIVE YEARS in the hopes that the outlier will prove to be the mean is ridiculously stupid. But, hey, that's essentially what the Angels did w/ Erstad, so I guess they're continuing a tradition.

And it's great that the Angels signed Speier to make their already sick bullpen even sicker. It's too bad the bullpen can't teach the hitters how to A) get on base and B) get hits that aren't singles - they're going to need someone besides Vlad & Juan Rivera to help them in that department. & survey says Matthews & Shea Hey aren't the solution.

(also, what Alex said)

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"Also about the Angels. They're in a very similar position as the A's, they don't need a lot of tweaking."

This is true, but it doesn't make overpaying for Matthews (and signing Hildebrand at all) any smarter.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Hold on a second, I'm the idiot. I'm thinking of somebody else besides Matthews Jr. who Beane was going after... I wanna say it was a player on the O's and the Cubs...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I was wondering about that myself. Divisional trades are pretty rare esp. given that both teams were nominally still playoff hopefulls.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

corey patterson, lol

bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

There's a world / half-decade of difference between Patterson & Matthews!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

no it wasn't patterson!

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

who was patterson traded for???

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

January 9, 2006: Traded by the Chicago Cubs to the Baltimore Orioles for Carlos Perez (minors) and Nate Spears (minors).

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

(and signing Hildebrand at all)

I don't think this was a bad decision at all. The dude is a piece of shit, but he's at least a serviceable 1B/3B guy on a team with nothing but unproven young guys at those positions. It's a one year deal. In the worst case scenario, the young guys emerge and they trade the dude during the season.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, I would rather pay that money for Matthews (who was really quite excellent last year) than for, say, Gil Meche.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

He had one very good Arlington enhanced season

He hit just as well on the road, though.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

He had one very good Arlington enhanced season (and it wasn't a particularly great fielding year by all accounts) at age 32.

But he made that catch zomgsportcenterAMIRITE!!!!!

"Shea Hey" :D

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link


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