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i don't mean people in nun outfits; i mean the "for christians, by christians" type of thing

xpost i think he's asking to be forgiven for spreading his oral herpes

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4347news7-21-2000.asp

X-amining X-Men

It is ironic that the film on one hand depicts the horrors of the Holocaust but on the other embraces evolutionary premises. We must point out that it was evolutionary ideas that actually fueled Hitler’s genocide of ‘less-evolved’ peoples like Jews, Gypsies, Slavic peoples, etc. Evolutionary ideas have never advanced humankind either biologically or socially. On the contrary, they lead to the decay of societies—for example, today’s increase in abortion has been greatly influenced by evolutionary thinking (see Ken Ham’s book Genesis and the Decay of the Nations).

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

they're all preternaturally beautiful. clean living, I guess.

i think he's asking to be forgiven for spreading his oral herpes

otm!

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

the fundies have a point about Hitler, and other eugenicists

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

JB, likes 'em clean. They unnerve me with their shining eyes and glossy coats.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

no, they do not

xpost

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

unless youre cool with blaming jesus christ for george bush

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Blaming Darwin for Hitler is like blaming Jebus for Vlad the Impaler.

― My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

oops

― My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

though you can pretty much blame hitler on martin luther

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

But his family were Catholic?

― My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

hitler, eh? Tell me more. He is not discussed enough.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

is there such a genre as actual christian porn?

actually, they do! there's some site out there for "christian erotica" or some such. it's some really circumscribed erotic stories, but hey, if it gets some of these folks to finally accept intimacy, go for it.

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther's advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering and Himmler."

-William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1990), p.236.

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

today’s increase in abortion has been greatly influenced by evolutionary thinking

"Aww, man, I would totally have this baby, but my genes aren't very good, so ..."

(That's a missed opportunity, really: much more traction in the argument that we're selfish consumption-obsessed children who seek out frivolous self-gratification over the greater fulfillment of family and child-rearing.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

yes lets go out of our way to say one more time that social darwnism and eugenics are bad

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The use of the word "speciation" there is incredible: this sentence practically is the whole theory of natural selection and evolution!

The argument I've heard proposed by certain creationists I know:

1) Even if genetic mutation/"microevolution" (ugh) does occur, evolutionary theory still is not plausible because "most mutations are harmful."
2) When God created living things back in Eden, the gene pool was so pure that even harmful mutations would do minimal damage.

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Evolutionary ideas have never advanced humankind either biologically or socially.

they have, and have.

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.chick.com/tractimages63864/0054/0054_06.gif

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

xxxxpost

I've read the Shirer. I think he's only partly right: Luther is certainly a crucial influence on ideas of German-ness, but I don't think the Nazis were explicitly "following his advice".

― My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/sunkat701/images/x-men%20in%20danger%20room.jpg

― Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

#2 is one I've heard, along with the fact that there was no environmental/artificial mutagenic pollution, or that the world was "young" (wtf does that even mean??), and so on.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Even if genetic mutation/"microevolution" (ugh) does occur, evolutionary theory still is not plausible because "most mutations are harmful."

That one makes little to no sense (and yeah, I know it's not your argument): billions of three-eyed two-headed tail-having double-jointed backwards-limbed critters dead within weeks, just like they are in the present = so?

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i think you can blame hitler on martin luther because the germans saw martin luther in him, not because hitler was directly following martin luther's teachings

for real tracer, saying fundies 'have a point' about evolution & hitler is right up there with 'hiphop is dead cuz williamsburg only jams biggie nowadays'

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

is jack chick for real, btw?

― grbchv! (gbx), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

(to be fair, #1 and #2 were from separate people's arguments, but I figured they worked well together)

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost yeah, unfortunately. My uberevangelical R.A. left "This Was Your Life!" in the bathroom stall because apparently he reads him while he takes dumps.

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I've read all that Erich Fromm stuff about luther and authoritiarianism and i don't buy it (though it is funny reading, "luther was one of the most profoundly hateful men ever" etc etc). europe had plenty antisemitism and self-negating hate ideology before during and after

xpost germans saw martin luther in him. really? never heard this. even so, you may as well blame il duce on dante

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Calvin, on the other hand, was a right bastard.

― My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't know what williamsburg jams on, i've been there like five times in the last five years (i was wrong about the biggie thing, by the way - hip hop is dead because ft. greene jams on young jeezy!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Galton

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Y'know, this thread has everything: Nazis, dinosaurs, Jack Chick, nubile t-shirt models, puppets, evolutionary theory, customer service, you name it!

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

(hahahaha I love how this thread derailed yet still somehow stayed on topic with the "PHWOAR HOT MODELS" section)

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Calvin was a right bastard.

Tell me about it.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

dude have you read that luther book about the jews?? it sounds like somebodys steampunk hoax of a hypothetical medieval nazism, way beyond most hokey & unorganized anti-semitism from the time

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

is blaming dante for mussolini supposed to sound entirely ridiculous? plz remember the initial frame of reference here is tracer saying its a good idea to blame darwin for hitler

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember reading a while back about Xian erotic fiction, which was fairly explicit but also only involved married couples.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know if anyone above already pointed this out, but if you actually bother to read Darwin you realize very quickly that "Social Darwinism" is not Darwinism at all.

Martin Luther OTOH is totally overrated by our received Protestant-slanted history. It's been ingrained in the way we're taught that he was some kind of hero "reformer" that we rarely look at his terrible bastard side.

― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, ethan, seriously, I know this is your "thing" but get one (1) sarcasm, and/or play the game with someone who HASN'T been on ILX for 17 years, none of us actually buy that statement as anything but him kidding around.

― Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

nazis & eugenicists supposed darwinist inspiration for genocide is more like mel gibson blaming his kike-hating on jack daniels - 99.99999% of in the world has no problem living with evolutionary science while not setting up extermination camps

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost to myself: Oh, I see Kingfish already mentioned that.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a big hilarious thread on real ILX about that website promoting Christian married sex with some erotic err sound files? Things to read aloud to each other? Totally unsurprisingly, I posted on it somewhere.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Shocking that Kingfish flashed his deep porn knowledge before Kenan!

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I contain multitudes.

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

what, like dp?

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

this site?

― Ed (dali), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Not on a monday.


xp

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

par robertson wouldn't exist without jesus - that doesn't mean i blame the former for the latter!

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually all empirical evidence shows that Pat Robertson is exixting quite nicely without Jesus.

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The Galtons were famous and highly successful Quaker gun-manufacturers and bankers

haha i love the west sometimes

― Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"I don't know about this doctrine of crucifixion, but if he thinks we're trying to crucify him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any frankincense shipments will stop."

― and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

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