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book smart. not good political instincts, though.

dar1a g (dar1a g), Friday, 22 December 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost ARGH hate the book-smart concept as I believe impressionables who hear the phrase come to think reading would not improve life and become everything-stupid as a result.

The second person thing *might* also be an inclusive gesture, as if he is inviting the questioner to occupy his shoes and thus seems more reasonable as a result. Obama does 'reasonable' very well.

Kerry didn't - and dry wit doesn't play well in a politician outside of his/her core supporters.

suzy artskooldisko (suzy artskooldisko), Friday, 22 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i used to read a lot, and i don't know that it improved my life any. a bas le bovarysme ! i should've played sports.

dar1a g (dar1a g), Friday, 22 December 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I pretty much hated Hillary from the minute she voted for the war, but Peretz' guilt-by-association vitriol re: Michael Lerner (among other things) is rather unappealing.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 22 December 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

there's a lot about Peretz that is unappealing (moronic tidbits such as "I have a question I've been reluctant to ask. Do the Clintons have any friends who aren't really rich?") and I'm not even sure how relevant TNR is anymore. But beyond speculated personal axes to grind or other such spinnery, articles like this remind me of how colorful Her Majesty's campaign will be.

dandy don weiner (dandy don weiner), Friday, 22 December 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

hott

hotter

nuneb (nuneb), Friday, 22 December 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: oh yeah, i forgot about all the men she scares

nuneb (nuneb), Friday, 22 December 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

"scares"

dandy don weiner (dandy don weiner), Friday, 22 December 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

"weiner"

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Friday, 22 December 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"awesome"

dandy don weiner (dandy don weiner), Friday, 22 December 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Air America last straw - top-of-hour Britishes newsreader pronounces 'privacy' wrong

nuneb (nuneb), Friday, 22 December 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the britishes newsreader.

marty peretz is the ed-in-chief of TNR, right? the one who kinda went unhinged due to summertime joementum?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Saturday, 23 December 2006 06:33 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, he is. and all of TNR went unhinged after 9/11 and Iraq war disaster. they have lost absolutely all credibility. nothing TNR says is any more valuable than a claim by Matt Drudge.

hm (modestmickey), Saturday, 23 December 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

rudy's secret plans

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

probs that are insurmount?

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

ha

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Romney and Edwards both officially in now (no surprises there)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

so, what are the official entries now?

R:
Romney
Giuliani
Brownback(?)

D:
Edwards
Vilsack
Kucinich

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

John Edwards has coined a new phrase that is likely to resonate throughout the Presidential campaign: "The McCain Doctrine." The phrase seeks to wrap the prospect of an escalation of the Iraq war as tightly as possible around the neck of John McCain, the most vocal proponent of a "surge" in troops

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/02/edwards_coins_new_phrase_for_escalation_the_mccain_doctrine

lol

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

good news and bad news with Condi:

bad news: Iraq is worth it, and never mind how much blood & treasure we waste on it.

good news: America is ready for a black president

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that's actually fairly clever on Edwards' part (xpost)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

totally. i may have underestimated him.

jhoshea (jhoshea), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Romney still alive?

Ed Kilgore argues that there will be no "True Conservative" horse to show this time around, and I still think that this faction ultimately grudgingly comes around to Romney. But maybe there will be a Perot-sized Buchanan in '08?

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh Ginsberg sounds like a shitbag. So the non-Mormon Christian Right is cool with Mormons...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

well I may eternally underestimate that stuff - I wouldn't really know - but I think that in the end they have to choose between McCain, Romney and maybe Giuliani and Romney will be the choice.

nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

cute 6'3" jedi chick

http://www.spatcave.com/lineandespn/mDSC05442.jpg

grady (grady), Friday, 12 January 2007 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

??

grady (grady), Friday, 12 January 2007 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

What kind of Google Image Search were you on?

PPlains (PPlains), Friday, 12 January 2007 05:27 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
i guess that it's inevitable that this thread would be revived ... so i am reviving it myself.

Eisbär (Eisbär), Monday, 12 February 2007 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Trayce spotted this: Obama's now under attack from other continents.

When's the election down there, anyway?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Howard shouldn't be starting beef with someone trying to quit smoking.

http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/02/nicorette.html
Obama responded that Australia currently has 1400 troops in Iraq and if Howard feels so strongly about "fighting the good fight" he should "send 20,000 more Australians to fight in Iraq."

I know Atrios (for one) has been on a neverending shit-fit since the Swampland blog started with Joe Klein as one of its contributors, but it's actually been pretty good.

The PEW Research Center for Panty-Twisting (Rock Hardy), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

When's the election down there, anyway?

Not soon enough! Labor are surging out in front now they have a decent leader. What Howard said about Obama is so fucking embarrasing.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/ilXor

Jeff... (Jeff...), Monday, 12 February 2007 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

PP, none of those links are working for me. can you repost them?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2007 05:38 (seventeen years ago) link

lol

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 12 February 2007 05:44 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha

Rick Gibralter (grady), Monday, 12 February 2007 06:04 (seventeen years ago) link

What's so funny? I'm just trying to read that link on Romney

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2007 06:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Any of you design types want to deconstruct the logo?

http://www.barackobama.com/page_elements/08_logo2.jpg

And here's the main campaign placard:

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20070212/capt.sge.rnm42.120207153227.photo03.photo.default-512x349.jpg?x=380&y=259&sig=_Egu1w4yzYIpPiGOefKlWg--

I like it.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

ew!

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm. Howard's comments are getting more airtime over here than I would have expected.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

And now let us attack Obama's church. Thank you, Tucker Carlson!

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

the Obama fauxat&t/mac logo is refreshing for 1/2 a second, but ultimately sucks

nuneb (nuneb), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Somebody needs to photoshop "BETA" & add a reflection to that Web 2.0 logo he's got there

I don't like it much, there is something peculiar.. it looks like a credit card company trying to update their image..

dar1a g (dar1a g), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

It looks like an bio/agriculture conglommerate logo to me.

Rick Gibralter (grady), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

really? I don't get the complaints I think its pretty smart logo - sunrise+initial+american flag = classic combo of American political images

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Here's a nice New Yorker piece on the guys behind "24", and why they seem to be so torture-happy, repeatedly using fictional scenes of torture working as justifying its real-life application, as well as the origin of the "ticking time bomb scenario", which i never knew:
Bob Cochran, who created the show with Surnow, admitted, “"Most terrorism experts will tell you that the ‘ticking time bomb’ situation never occurs in real life, or very rarely. But on our show it happens every week."µ According to Darius Rejali, a professor of political science at Reed College and the author of the forthcoming book “Torture and Democracy,µ the conceit of the ticking time bomb first appeared in Jean Lartéguy's 1960 novel “"Les Centurions," written during the brutal French occupation of Algeria. The book's hero, after beating a female Arab dissident into submission, uncovers an imminent plot to explode bombs all over Algeria and must race against the clock to stop it. Rejali, who has examined the available records of the conflict, told me that the story has no basis in fact. In his view, the story line of “Les Centurionsµ provided French liberals a more palatable rationale for torture than the racist explanations supplied by others (such as the notion that the Algerians, inherently simpleminded, understood only brute force). Lartéguy’s scenario exploited an insecurity shared by many liberal societies—that their enlightened legal systems had made them vulnerable to security threats.

Another neat bit that I didn't know is that the Parents Television Council, which is Brent Bozell's conservative anti-media group, is actually logging the torture scenes on the show. Also, the Brigadier General in charge of West Point flew out to meet w/ the creators of the show:

In fact, Finnegan and the others had come to voice their concern that the show's central political premise--that the letter of American law must be sacrificed for the country's security--was having a toxic effect. In their view, the show promoted unethical and illegal behavior and had adversely affected the training and performance of real American soldiers. “"I'd like them to stop,"µ Finnegan said of the show's producers. “"They should do a show where torture backfires.µ"

Oh yeah, except that the main guy in charge of the show(and big Limbaugh friend) Joel Surnow didn't show up for the meeting. This guy's also working on the Fox News response to the Daily Show.

The other scary thing is the guys working on the show who have actual law degrees, but are straight outta the Alberto Gonzalez school, holding that torture is legal & fine & good in certain circumstances.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

b-but kiefer sutherland!

nuneb (nuneb), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Fox News response to the Daily Show.

any news on this one?

Rick Gibralter (grady), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link


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