Dear ILE - a plea

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There are a number of people here I like, that seem to have big probs with each other. What can you do? Nothing really. It's not like I'm inviting them all to my house and have to keep them to the kitchen / living room divided.

(xpost I've seen hitler's paintings. They rubbish)

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I think ILE should be ditched for nu-ILX. It's run it's course. Have 50 different boards for the subjects that get talked about including one purely for ball-breaking where people can be as nasty as they wanna be. Continuing to try and accommodate all these different attitudes in one place ain't working however noble it may seem on paper. There's already considerable fragmentation on ILE so let's just go the whole hog and be done with it.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought there was a place for white-collar boxing on these boards so that the rest of us didn't have to look at it. I've never gone there because I don't like being beaten up, but doesn't it exist? Or am I wrong?

Johnney B's got a system (stigoftdumpilx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, the thing is though your 'yay paris' bit is very much a yay for paris herself, or for her "persona" (ie who she is), not just paris's ageless music and noted singing voice.

xpost

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

They didn't used to be that different. But I admit they have been for a long time. Much to its detriment. I haven't had much use for ILM since the Poptimists went to the other place. It's like everything that was good and engaging about ILM went with them, leaving only the trolls and the people who wanted to treat a music forum like the Fight Club they were too geeky to do IRL, and it's got worse and worse.

including one purely for ball-breaking where people can be as nasty as they wanna be

This actually worked for a forum I was on about 10 years ago.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Elephant in the room: ILE and ILM are different forums obeying to different codes of conduct and it's very awkward when one seeps into the other.

There is only one code of conduct, be civil to everyone, everywhere.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

even YOU get caught up in the rote abuse (hardly vicious in your case, I know) of the easy targets.

Mark S, if you want to discuss any incidences take it off board. I am not very appreciative of being used as some kind of beacon of pile-on bullying.

Yeah, but for some of us, even having to read other people doing this is kind of tiresome. You post on a thread, then someone else posts, then someone who has a beef with them sees that they've posted and follows them to be hilariously dickish, and the next thing you know, the nice conversation you were having is gone. It's kind of annoying.

This is true. See above my thing about crossing over of threads.

kv_nol (kv_nol), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Kitty Radio? That shit was like the Champions' League of trolls.

xxp

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

but doesn't it exist? Or am I wrong?

sort of but it doesn't have the same audience as ILE so doesn't work. as long as ILE remains as big focus point for everyone all the negativity will infiltrate here.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

the people who wanted to treat a music forum like the Fight Club they were too geeky to do IRL

lame: people who want proper fights to prove their masculinity doing so in organised fight club style setting
so much further beyond lame: the same, but only in front of their laptops :o

lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I Propose new board:

I love Reasonable Discourse.

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No, it was a place called iMusic, this may have been before you were born, Dom. There was a separate board/thread for each band. It got invaded by flaming trolls. The management insistuted a board called "flameboard" where it was no holds barred flaming for those who wanted to do such a thing. Amazing how the flaming and dickwaddery on actual band topics actually decreased once this was put in place.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Laptops? I use a big fuck off hard as fuck TOWER.

xxposts

onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I think ILE should be ditched for nu-ILX. It's run it's course.

I disagree. One of the things I like about ILE is the random collection of threads like the Beryl thread and the banal conversations thread, and the stuff about telly programmes, and Scott's pictures, and so on and so on and they're all in one place, and I don't have to go to separate boards to find them.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to point out ILWWE doesn't suffer from any of these problems.

White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i like a bit of ballbreaking but you probably do go too far Madam Dom. A LOT of people do seem to be sick of it. I just don't know if there are MORE people on ILX who enjoy it. Maybe 50/50?

Not even close, unless you mean by posting volume.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm still behind ile, why not?

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post What Trish said again.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

and I don't have to go to separate boards to find them.

i'm aware this is a virtue for some

but it's already happened with many subjects and should happen with many more

i dislike this halfway-house situation as it stands. I Love Most Everything more like etc.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to point out ILWWE doesn't suffer from any of these problems.

Nobody ever posts on it.

Oh, I get it.

Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I dislike the fact that some things have splintered off, cooking, books and film belong here really. Cooking would get so much more traffic if it just kept it's threads on the main board.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/media/Let-Go.jpg

onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - Ditto I Love Books.

but it's already happened with many subjects and should happen with many more

Tell us why?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

flouncy, shallow, image-obsessed-and-i-bet-limp-wristed-and-lisping-too drama queen

This really proves my point.

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Dear ILE - a plea: Oatibix, prison rape

Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you ever think about *why* things have splitered and balkanised?

I mean, I'll be perfectly honest about why I started mine own little Balkan - because I was being repeatedly and focusedly bullied on a variety of threads by very specific individual(s), which was killing those threads. A single thread to corral my chatter also had the result of the ability to ban bullies focused on a person.

Maybe others are more localised for localised chatter that would bore/clutter the rest of ILX, but I would venture to theorise that much of the "Balkanisation" is an indirect *result* of bullying and "Fight Club" Culture, not a cause.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

because it's already happened with many subjects (that needn't have splintered...but now they have and there's no going back, others should follow suit)

as with 'reg-only' and killfile i'd like it to at least be TRIED so we can actually see if the pros outweigh the cons in practice. yes there are drawbacks but imo none significantly worse than status quo (lol)

it wasn't too long ago that anyone had the ability to set up their board. presumably this option is never coming back.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Thinking this should be like a boxing club is incredible to me. So incredible that i've just missed my stop on the train!

anyway, i think ilx is at its best when it sticks to ANSWERING tHE QUESTION (you know, the bit at the top) and goes off course when it becomes about talking about other posters. The good posts in this thread are about the topic. The bad ones are about poster x and whether or not they are y.

i've got half a mind to ask mods to remove any personally directed posts on the main boards, at least for a bit. Unless the thread is about a particular person, natch.

attack someone's ideas, not them.

stet (stet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, maybe we need a meta ban, ie NO TALKING ABOUT THE BOARD ON THE BOARD. It's a little short-sighted but it did solve some problems.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Besides, it's fucking boring.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry you're bored.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Ach well, I'm still here, aren't I?

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i've got half a mind to ask mods to remove any personally directed posts on the main boards, at least for a bit.

-WDYLL?

-can't say

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Laurel OTM. And I'm here hoping that it'll stop being boring soon.

A ban on off-topic might be nice, but then, off-topic can be fun. Oh, I don't bloody know.

Johnney B's got a system (stigoftdumpilx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

um hello what is the "topic" of the local/clique threads exactly?

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

as much as i've enjoyed this thread i would also support a 'no talking about the board on the board' experiment.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

the first rule of fight club culture is...

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

NO PISSING IN THE SHALLOW END

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

When my kids were little, I used to make them go outside to play for a while whenever they got cranky. They were always in a much better mood after they'd had some fresh air.

C J (C J), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Things would be less boring if the code for trackbacks fucking worked. All of my trolling is to PROTEST the sorry shape of ILX code.

jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe they'll write a new one!

Subtractive Synthesis (Subtractive Synthesis), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

and we're TRULY GWATEFUl for it. twuly.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

laurel OTM seconded.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

because it's already happened with many subjects (that needn't have splintered...but now they have and there's no going back, others should follow suit)

Why is there no going back, particularly on the boards that could by now fit into one thread? What's the moral force behind 'should' there? I just don't get your viewpoint.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

can someone please name any of the intelligent, enriching, worthwhile posters who left because ilx was 'too mean'?

and what (ooo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

you

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Becky Lucas

White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

There have been threads about the various declines of ILX for about 3 years now. Does this mean it's in constant decline or not in decline at all? Who knows.

I haven't been posting much because I haven't noticed many threads that make me think or capture my attention or make me want to write a post longer than a few lines. I don't know if others feel the same.

I think the result of that is the shorter more smart assed post, which can be funny.

Some of the recent fights have been kind of insane I guess, but I'm not sure are they actually more ramped up than before, or, and this is crucial, are there just more layers to the onion that is the board now. What I mean is are people so disconnected from whatever idea they have of ILX in their heads, and are there so many posters now, that these huge fights appear even crazier because they don't know those engaging in them, or they seem distant.

Sometimes I think I get this, all of a sudden everyone is all "louis jagger wtf" or yesterday's row, and you think "right then...hmmm" and have no real idea what to contribute.

x-post some posters were so beautiful that god had to call them back to his arms

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Well now we're moving to code that, compared to this, is completely feature-free. No trackbacks, no RSS but (hopefully) no honking great holes.

-WDYLL?

-can't say
1. That's talking about yourself, which is surely OK. Posting on a WDYLL "you're an ugly shite" == not OK. And also, like I said, you can talk about someone when they're the subject of the thread (eg "What do I do about my X?")

um hello what is the "topic" of the local/clique threads exactly?
um, hi, part of the problem is that because people are too wary to use the open thread they're clustering into the fucking cliques! But, surely the topic of the DC thread is life as lived by the people in DC, no? I mean, the local threads (that I've read) are almost free of vicious attacks on other people in the thread. Which is presumably partly why they're so popular.


millions of xposts and Laurel OTM

stet (stet), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

There have been threads about the various declines of ILX for about 3 years now. Does this mean it's in constant decline or not in decline at all? Who knows.

The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists

ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link


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