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latebloomer (clonefeed), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The use of the word "speciation" there is incredible: this sentence practically is the whole theory of natural selection and evolution!

Yeah, that's another fun bit; the deliberate misrepresenting of what folks actually mean when they say "evolution," much like the deliberate misuse of the word "theory" (i.e. instead of "hypothesis"). A lot of it seems like both projection and a cluelessness about how science changes and can disprove itself over time, like all we in the secular world worship upon the altar of Darwin, and we do it in the exact same unquestioning, blindly following way they follow their own leaders.

I think that's why they always call it "Darwinism,"(we only follow the man, who ain't Jesus) and hold up the fact that we've evolved theories that go beyond his as some sorta prove that we're wishy-washy nihilists who don't believe anything strongly(even to refute it).

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

One commonly raised problem is ‘How could you fit all those huge dinosaurs on the Ark?’ First, of the 668 supposed dinosaur genera, only 106 weighed more than ten tons when fully grown. Second, as said above, the number of dinosaur genera is probably greatly exaggerated. But these numbers are granted by Woodmorappe to be generous to skeptics. Third, the Bible does not say that the animals had to be fully grown. The largest animals were probably represented by ‘teenage’ or even younger specimens. The median size of all animals on the ark would actually have been that of a small rat, according to Woodmorappe‘s up-to-date tabulations, while only about 11 % would have been much larger than a sheep.

lol, this is some seriously Star Trek-level biblical retcon!

latebloomer (clonefeed), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

has this story, about creationists trying to force a kenyan museum to tuck away pre-human fossils, been mentioned yet in this thread?

Eisbär (Eisbär), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

yup, i linked to it upthread. One gets the image of club-/axe-handle-wielding crazies breaking thru the glass doors of the museum and start a-smashing all the Natural History exhibits.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Where are all of these quotes coming from again? It actually looks to me like there's a big shift in thinking going on with them -- like the authors have chosen to sign on with evolution on the small scale, insofar as it helps them make a plausible case for literal interpretation of the Bible. (Which is obviously the bigger point; evolution's more or less moot so far as everything fits with the text.) That word "speciation" is ridiculously important, in terms of acknowledging that a common ancestor could diverge and modify into different, incompatible species. (Which is really as far as Darwin personally got with things, with the grander rise-of-man stuff coming well after.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

OK I can't be the only person getting "Jesus Loves Pink Pussy" out of one of those shirts.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Monday, 4 December 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/OneBlood/images/ch5_marriages.gif

xpost im getting quotes from answersingenesis.com & a couple other linked or googled creationist faqs - theres nothing even close to consensus on any of this stuff, it basically amounts to biblical fan fiction

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but Darwin-on-Genesis slash is something I've never seen before, like on a "Sonic the Hedgehog's Erotic Borg Adventure" level.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

http://datomana.com/images/jesus-tees-hsucks.jpg

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"...but i'm better" on the matching underwear

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

OK now i'm really grossing myself out

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It actually looks to me like there's a big shift in thinking going on with them -- like the authors have chosen to sign on with evolution on the small scale, insofar as it helps them make a plausible case for literal interpretation of the Bible

this has pretty much always been the strategy of creationists though!

latebloomer (clonefeed), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ha! you made that one up!

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

OKAY HAWT. Except it's "forgive US our trespasses." I dig my Lord's Prayer OLD STYLEZZ.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/datomana_1926_27679742

Jesus can get in line, baby.

(sorry for being so frat boy, I've always had the hots for xtian girls. Feeds from my self-defeating nature, I guess.)

(and that red-head is OOTW)

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

is there such a genre as actual christian porn?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost never mind the bullocks, here's the christians

whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

didn't larry flynt try out christian porn at one point?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait, is that guy asking to be forgiven for his sniper assassinations, kidnappings, ill-gotten ransom money, and sowing of anarchy?

(The freckly god-is-good girl is cute.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't mean people in nun outfits; i mean the "for christians, by christians" type of thing

xpost i think he's asking to be forgiven for spreading his oral herpes

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4347news7-21-2000.asp

X-amining X-Men

It is ironic that the film on one hand depicts the horrors of the Holocaust but on the other embraces evolutionary premises. We must point out that it was evolutionary ideas that actually fueled Hitler’s genocide of ‘less-evolved’ peoples like Jews, Gypsies, Slavic peoples, etc. Evolutionary ideas have never advanced humankind either biologically or socially. On the contrary, they lead to the decay of societies—for example, today’s increase in abortion has been greatly influenced by evolutionary thinking (see Ken Ham’s book Genesis and the Decay of the Nations).

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

they're all preternaturally beautiful. clean living, I guess.

i think he's asking to be forgiven for spreading his oral herpes

otm!

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

the fundies have a point about Hitler, and other eugenicists

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

JB, likes 'em clean. They unnerve me with their shining eyes and glossy coats.

Ed (dali), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

no, they do not

xpost

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

unless youre cool with blaming jesus christ for george bush

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Blaming Darwin for Hitler is like blaming Jebus for Vlad the Impaler.

My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

oops

My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

though you can pretty much blame hitler on martin luther

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

But his family were Catholic?

My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

hitler, eh? Tell me more. He is not discussed enough.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

is there such a genre as actual christian porn?

actually, they do! there's some site out there for "christian erotica" or some such. it's some really circumscribed erotic stories, but hey, if it gets some of these folks to finally accept intimacy, go for it.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther's advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering and Himmler."

-William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1990), p.236.

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

today’s increase in abortion has been greatly influenced by evolutionary thinking

"Aww, man, I would totally have this baby, but my genes aren't very good, so ..."

(That's a missed opportunity, really: much more traction in the argument that we're selfish consumption-obsessed children who seek out frivolous self-gratification over the greater fulfillment of family and child-rearing.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

yes lets go out of our way to say one more time that social darwnism and eugenics are bad

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The use of the word "speciation" there is incredible: this sentence practically is the whole theory of natural selection and evolution!

The argument I've heard proposed by certain creationists I know:

1) Even if genetic mutation/"microevolution" (ugh) does occur, evolutionary theory still is not plausible because "most mutations are harmful."
2) When God created living things back in Eden, the gene pool was so pure that even harmful mutations would do minimal damage.

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Evolutionary ideas have never advanced humankind either biologically or socially.

they have, and have.

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

xxxxpost

I've read the Shirer. I think he's only partly right: Luther is certainly a crucial influence on ideas of German-ness, but I don't think the Nazis were explicitly "following his advice".

My Life in the Ghosts of Bush (Modal Fugue), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

#2 is one I've heard, along with the fact that there was no environmental/artificial mutagenic pollution, or that the world was "young" (wtf does that even mean??), and so on.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Even if genetic mutation/"microevolution" (ugh) does occur, evolutionary theory still is not plausible because "most mutations are harmful."

That one makes little to no sense (and yeah, I know it's not your argument): billions of three-eyed two-headed tail-having double-jointed backwards-limbed critters dead within weeks, just like they are in the present = so?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i think you can blame hitler on martin luther because the germans saw martin luther in him, not because hitler was directly following martin luther's teachings

for real tracer, saying fundies 'have a point' about evolution & hitler is right up there with 'hiphop is dead cuz williamsburg only jams biggie nowadays'

and what (ooo), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

is jack chick for real, btw?

grbchv! (gbx), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

(to be fair, #1 and #2 were from separate people's arguments, but I figured they worked well together)

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost yeah, unfortunately. My uberevangelical R.A. left "This Was Your Life!" in the bathroom stall because apparently he reads him while he takes dumps.

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I've read all that Erich Fromm stuff about luther and authoritiarianism and i don't buy it (though it is funny reading, "luther was one of the most profoundly hateful men ever" etc etc). europe had plenty antisemitism and self-negating hate ideology before during and after

xpost germans saw martin luther in him. really? never heard this. even so, you may as well blame il duce on dante

Kenneth Branagh (gcannon), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link


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