Books a Man Has Given Me That Made Me Swear NEVER to Go on Another Date with Him EVER Again

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Even books about the alien presence among us? Because that was less than hott, I tried it. XP

Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't begrudge a woman her weird taste in books too much but if the first thing she did was to offer me something that was meant to change me, I'd be a little offended.

rrobyn, Houellebecq is hard to digest but he's an interesting writer, if somewhat of a facile cynic.

Michael White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

The impression I got from what Kate said was not that it was endemic, but that she was just glad that they do.

Also, it kind of is endemic, but not necessarily just among men. I run into a lot of people of both genders who don't read. I am constantly amazed by them.

Why, just the other night, it turned out my housemate had never heard of Geoffrey Chaucer. I mean, I can understand not having read any, but never having heard of him?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

When I met my man he had never heard of James Joyce. I was horrified. Especially since we met while both of us worked in a bookstore.

franny (frannyglass), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Are they really coming out with Phillip Pullman movies? I am apprehensive.

me too. i LOVE the books, i saw the play twice and the first time it was GREBT, second slightly less grebt (but partly cos y'know you get attached... and the girl who played lyra was the first girl who was called "upstairs" or whatever in doctor who in the simon pegg episode so i got more attached). seriously hope they don't fuck this up - the prob is it *can* be done really well - if they can do lotr they can do anything, right - so it's inexcusable if they do an h2g2 on it.

emsk ( emsk ), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 01:19 (seventeen years ago) link

A girl I was sort of seeing gave me Heinlin's (Heinlein? Heinlen?) Stranger in a Strange Land. I read it and she wanted to talk about how she loved it--that was part of the reason I stopped calling her for a year.

Metrosexual Healing (crunkleJ), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 05:29 (seventeen years ago) link

can we rewind to this:

http://www.jimriegelphoto.com/Images/BookCover.jpg

because this is the weirdest thing i have ever seen and i must know more.

a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link

kinda mundane compared to some of the others on this thread, but this one never fails to kill the fuck-want (among normal people, anyway):

http://www.campaignleadership.com/blogger/uploaded_images/200px-Atlas_shrugged_cover-732433.jpg

Eisbär (Eisbär), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i wouldn't say no to a guy who gave me the tom of finland book

jo ga11ucci electrix (joseph), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 06:12 (seventeen years ago) link

books I would like to get from a guy include atlases and old golden guides

emily simpson (emilys.), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 06:16 (seventeen years ago) link

rrobyn, Houellebecq is hard to digest but he's an interesting writer, if somewhat of a facile cynic.

yeah, even though parts of the story and some of the writing were compelling, the facile cynic part killed it for me. esp the facile part. i think i would've been into it when i was 17 though.

ok i decided that most books as gifts are going to fly with me, somehow, but if a guy gave me a card or notebook or godforbid a framed picture of, like, a black and white photo of two little kids in hobo outfits kissing and holding a hand-coloured red balloon or some crap, well, then no more dates.

impermanent rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 06:18 (seventeen years ago) link

a b+w white photo of two ACTUAL hobos kissing, on the other hand...

jo ga11ucci electrix (joseph), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 06:21 (seventeen years ago) link

wedding bells!

impermanent rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 06:23 (seventeen years ago) link

A girl I was sort of seeing gave me Heinlin's (Heinlein? Heinlen?) Stranger in a Strange Land. I read it and she wanted to talk about how she loved it--that was part of the reason I stopped calling her for a year.

This would annoy me with almost any book. Book club or relationship, not both.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

(Hitchhikers movie >>>> the Philip Pullman books)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

HA HA HA!

Srsly Andrew, that's mental talk.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Well Hitch-hikers books better than Pullman books obviously, but the film was great by means of being faithful in a hitchhikers sense (IE reworked for the medium) rather that LotR's dull "everything in the book, exactly as you imagined it" (not entirely true, but truer as the films went on).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Kate, what circles do you run in that you meet so many men that don't read?

A lot of the sort of rock boys I used to date just didn't read. They'd read magazines, but not books, and certainly never novels. (that said, some rock boys are literate, but I was surprised by how many aren't.)

Also, office people. I work with a lot of people in IT or accountancy. I swear to god, the last bloke I dated, he owned five books - 2 of which were Grisham and 2 Dan Brown. He simply did not read. I could not get my head around it.

My girlfriend in high school was forced to keep her books out of sight because her mother thought they were "messy". They watched TV in her family - even her sci fi/fantasy books were viewed with suspicion.

I kind of take it for granted that people read, because that's the kind of family I come from, and the kind of people that I have for friends. But there are lots of people that simply do not.

It's hard not to make it sound like a value judgement or snobbery, but honestly these people's way of thinking and worldview is so far removed from mine that I've learned not to even contemplate a relationship with someone who doesn't read voraciously. It just doesn't work, it's like you're speaking different languages.

And - again, this is my opinion, not a value judgement - I would never date someone whose only reading material was bestseller standards. I mean, it's one thing to read Harry Potter or Dan Brown as a supplement to a well-rounded reading diet, but quite another if that is the only thing a person reads.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

!!! IT people are sterotypical bookreaders, certainly most of the ones I know are considerably above average.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

(Hitchhikers movie >>>> the Philip Pullman books)

-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...), February 14th, 2007. (afarrell) (later)

HA HA HA!

Srsly Andrew, that's mental talk.

-- accentmonkey (tris...), February 14th, 2007. (accentmonkey) (later)

yeah, really! there's something misaligned in your head/soul, my friend.

emsk ( emsk ), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

"In IT" can mean many varying things. Sometimes it means "geeks" who yes, are natural readers. But not all of them. Some are just dull technical fellows with no imagination.

(Hrrmm, now that is one of my biases - I automatically equate "not reading" with "no imagination".)

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't really read fiction, these days I finish around 1-5 novels a year. On the other hand, I read a lot of academic books and non-fiction (around 2-4 books a month) plus comics. Maybe that explains why I find this book-as-a-date-gift thing weird, I mean, how many girls would find a Judith Butler or a Chandra Talpade Mohanty romantic?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Tuomas, maybe this itself says something about your worldview, that you view 1 to 5 novels a year "not really reading" when I know people who probably haven't read 5 novels in their *life*. (Outside of school.)

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but most people I know (including the ones I've dated) seem to read at least a novel a month.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

It's possible that it says something about both your worldviews.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

That's because you mainly date women; women read more fiction, men more non-fiction. I have to tear myself away from whatever weighty tome I happen to be reading to enter the frivolities of fiction.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Belay that - I read almost exclusively fiction.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I have nothing against fiction, I just feel I don't have the time to delve into it, because it takes more concentration and effort. You can read comics or non-fiction books while riding the bus and listening to music.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, novels is a red herring. Even "1 to 5 BOOKS, fullstop" would be a lot for some of the people I've known.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to read lots, average a book a week, then for some unknown reason I just stopped for ages. I just haven't been able to get back into the habit of reading books. I just read the free papers to and from work. I think the only books I've read so far this year have been about music, so they don't really count. I've been carrying around Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut in my coat pocket for 2 months and only read half of it.

I think the only books that could actually put me off someone if they were given to me would be extreme right-wing politics. I don't think I would dump someone just because they had different taste in fiction.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Extreme right-wing politics? Oh, my brother used to give me those, too. Ha! And I'm not talking your Ann Coulter crap, I'm talking the philosopical ones that actually *meant it*.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Richard Kaplan type stuff? I have one of his at home, for research purposes. But stuff I won't hate keeps getting higher priority.

Cycling has kind of killed my bookreading - it should in theory get me home in time to get an hours reading in at the evening, but it never seems to work like that.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm amused at how Kate is having to defend a position here that is simply a fact, and that fact is that a lot of people do not read books.

For example, many of the people in Mister Monkey's office do not read books or appear to engage in much culture beyond the internet and computer games in any way at all. And even, Andrew, a lot of the people we both know from the Place You Used to Work are not readers. As an example, I offer you the case of our friend C, who now runs his own company. He only reads books like "How to Maximize your Money" or else textbooks. My old friend Stephen C is the same. It's just how things are.


accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

There's more to life than the internet, I know, but not much more.

Is this our friend C who's now worked in two jobs with Mister Monkey? I didn't know he has his own company, but I'm not surprised. He's got a missus who does all the reading, no?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesse, who gave you Stranger in a Strange Land?

Framed black and white photos of two hobo children kissing made me think of this:

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/0740735403.01._BO2,204,203

It's not so much that I would dislike someone who liked this book as I would dislike someone who was so dim as to have ever spoken one word to me and yet still somehow think that I would like this book.

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

BOOOOO. I meant:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1559120177.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I would dislike someone who gave me any Ayn Rand, though.

Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this our friend C who's now worked in two jobs with Mister Monkey?

That is the very chap.

Anne Geddes wants kicking.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link


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