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The fans are being pretty defensive about the whole thing on their message board. I sorta feel bad for them at this point!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Nate Silver on Prospectus (pre-Gagne):


All winter long, I’ve been somewhat obsessed with tracking the inflation in the free agent market. The magic number, after the most recent round of signings, is 47%. That is, teams are willing to pay 47% more for the same talent than they were one winter ago. This number seems to have stabilized after being as high as 70% — and as “low” as 30% — during various other parts of the free agent cycle.

I’ve had to make a few modifications to the Marginal Value Above Replacement Player formula, by the way, which I’ll describe in a full-length column sometime soon. But as a teaser, here are the three best and worst deals of the winter so far, according to MORP 2.0.

Best Deals

1. Adam Kennedy, Cardinals: $17.9 million savings.
2. Dave Roberts, Giants: $9.4 million savings.
3. Craig Counsell, Brewers: $7.3 million savings.

Worst Deals

1. Carlos Lee, Astros: $27.2 million overspend.
2. Gil Meche, Royals: $19.4 million overspend.
3. Adam Eaton, Phillies: $12.8 million overspend.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, $19.4M spread out over 5 years is only about $3.9M / yr. That's nothing.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

well, talk is that the royals are projecting:

c: larue/buck
1b: shealy
2b: grudz
3b: gordon
ss: berroa
rf: teahen
cf: gathright/dejesus
lf: emil brown
dh: sweeney/huber

i honestly don't know TOO much about their bullpen minus macdougal, sisco and ambidextrous burgers (two of which are now gone), but does anyone know what the deal w/ greinke is?

j.q. higgins, Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

there is no way they won't play both gathright and dejesus; i have a lot of hope for the royals this year, teahen and gordon 4evah

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

why didn't mets try to resign Darren Oliver? Dude ate up mad innings last year, actually distinguished himself in the long relief role which is hard and undervalued, and came relatively cheap.

bliss (blass), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

woah, first good Rangers signing in years. When I heard it on the radio without numbers, I was just sure they signed him for 4/$40 or something stupid like that just to say they signed someone.

milo (milo), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't know about Mets/Oliver either, I assume Minaya thinks he can get as good for less.

Marcus Giles non-tendered, Mets and Pads said to be in pursuit.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I trust Darren Oliver as far as I can afford the millstone of a deal he inked w/ the Rangers back when he was one of the premier lefty shitheads in the AL. Remember when he was swapped for Jurrasic Carl? That's the real DO. The one that pitched for the Mets last year was a nice surprise for waiver fodder, but no way in hell do you pay him more $$$ in the hopes his outlier season is his actual baseline.

If the Royales actually give Gathright (.262 / .332 / .328 ) PT over DeJesus (.295 / .364 / .446 ) or anyone else in the OF in any instance other than day-off situations or injury, then I hope Gil Meche turns into a kicked-in Jack O'Lantern that some neighborhood kids used as a chamber pot, because Joey Jo-Jo the Jumping JG should see time only as a 4th OF and pinch runner. Giving that dude more that 200 ABs ON PURPOSE would be criminal. They also need to either cut bait on Sweeney now (and, um, GIVE PLAYING TIME TO JUSTIN HUBER"IS"), or hope Sweeney starts the year off shit-hot so they can swap him for, um, Chiclets. Also, Angel Berroa needs some B12 stat.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

besides, as we all know: nobody fucks w/ dejesus!

along the lines of darren oliver, i can't believe people were actually talking about dustin hermanson getting a big payday.

dude, please!

j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

whoa...and the mets non-tendered vic zambrano? i mean, you look at his numbers w/ the mets and that looks like a 3 yr 24 million dollar k in this market!

j.q. higgins, Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

According to the Globe, V-Dub got offered a 7 yr / $126M deal by Mr. J.P. "The OTHER Moneyball" Ricciardi.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I like the idea of Marcus Giles on the Padres. I hope they don't overpay for the dude when he obviously wants to play there.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought Walker was going to be the second baseman?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i've been in denial for a few days. did the cubs really sign marquis for 21 mill over 3 yrs?

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought Walker was going to be the second baseman?

Walker's poor defense scares the Pads, so I think if they can get Giles they'll do it. Walker didn't start for them last year either, so installing him in that role was always more of a last resort, even if he is a solid option offensively speaking. He can backup 3b, 2b and 1b and get a decent amount of playing time.

Anything that decreases the amount of potential playing time for Branyan or Blum would be ideal.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i've been in denial for a few days. did the cubs really sign marquis for 21 mill over 3 yrs?

Yeah, that was something, wasn't it?

Michael (Oakland Mike), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

stupid, stupid mariners, again: chris snelling and emiliano fruto for jose fucking vidro and most of his contract. wtf? sure, snelling was often hurt but fuck could he hit, and walk, and fruto was just getting started. this has been a horrible offseason. and it's not over yet. fuck my team.

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 14 December 2006 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

When the hell did Jim Bowden turn into a sneaky Pete? W/ this & the Kearns / Lopez deal, dude's, like, making good moves!

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 14 December 2006 04:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i've been in denial for a few days. did the cubs really sign marquis for 21 mill over 3 yrs?

Winner: Marquis
Big Winners: Jeff Weaver, Jeff Suppan
Losers: the entire world

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Thursday, 14 December 2006 07:26 (seventeen years ago) link

easy on bowden. he's like the dude that hits .350 the first 1/2, but ends up at .270

i mean, we roasted him for the soriano trade, soriano played well and then they ended up letting him walk for nothin. that sort of sums up bowden.

also consider this: a prime force behind unloading vidro was freeing up middle infield space for the triumphant return of cristian "the truth" guzman!

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 14 December 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, thank god - I thought we lost him! I guess even Neifi goes 5-for-5 once.

So when's he going to turn Ryan Church into waiver bait?

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 14 December 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Minaya denies Mets after Giles

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

beats me.

i'm still hoping the o's flip rodrigo lopez for someone useful and i think church fits the bill. i can't imagine church getting cut loose for nothing now that frank robinson is gone.

j.q. higgins, Thursday, 14 December 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of Zumaya, remember those wrist and forearm problems he was having at the end of the season? The team has decided they came from the reliever playing too much Playstation 2 Guitar Hero.

Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bark at the Moon" causes throwing errors!

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Frank ((Middletown, NJ)): How could the Mets non-tender the center piece of the Kazmir trade?!?!?!

Steven Goldman: Because they were in the position of having to give a dead man a raise. They'll try to get him back more cheaply and see if they can salvage something... But compare this to the possibility that the Yankees might not move Pavano. Minaya has no personal investment in Zambrano so he can dump him.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 December 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bark at the Moon" causes throwing errors!

Nah, it was probably "Cowboys From Hell".

Michael (Oakland Mike), Thursday, 14 December 2006 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Vernon Wells worth $126mn?

milo (milo), Sunday, 17 December 2006 02:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Vernon Wells worth $126mn?

Actually, I completely think so. The dude is a great hitter AND he plays center field. He gets on base, hits for power, hits for good average. He's definitely one of the 10 best players in the league, and he's pretty young.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Sunday, 17 December 2006 02:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.
I am glad this has happened.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 17 December 2006 07:07 (seventeen years ago) link

The ESPN story contains a list of the richest deals in baseball history:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2698288

I'd say Wells' deal looks pretty good amongs the company on that list. There are a few major duds on that list, particularly for the money involved (Hampton, probably Helton and Giambi). Wells vs Soriano? Fairly close offensively, but only one of them can play defense. Jeter has been vastly overpaid for most of his contract.

Wells' deal looks bad next to those of Beltran and Pujols (who never became a free agent), but I think that's about it.

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Sunday, 17 December 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

BP had a piece a couple of days ago saying that Rocco Baldelli was almost as good and tons cheaper. But this is where the intangibles come in, fan-wise; the Blue Jays continue to look like a big-time club, and guarantee the continued devotion of their people. Also, Vernon Wells will get so much love from the Toronto fans forever, and rightly so.

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Sunday, 17 December 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"Under the extension, Wells has the right to terminate his agreement after the 2011 season and become eligible for free agency. In addition, he will donate $143,000 annually to the Jays Care Foundation."

Wild.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 17 December 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Now I'm hearing that since Wells is all locked up that the J's might be trading Rios.

Which is a million degrees of fucking retarded.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, you don't want TWO young OFs that can rake & flash a lil leather - that'd be silly.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Sunday, 17 December 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, it might be good to trade Rios now when his value is sky high, rather than waiting for him to turn into the second coming of Jose Cruz Jr.

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Monday, 18 December 2006 00:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, especially since he wasn't too hot in the second half by comparison. If you can get a good young pitcher for him, you kinda have to do it. I mean, Halladay and (to a lesser extent) Burnett are great, but I'm not sold on the rest of the Jays rotation.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Monday, 18 December 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, especially since he wasn't too hot in the second half by comparison.

Whoa, that's an understatement:

Pre-AS: .330 / .383 / .585
Post-AS: .261 / .297 / .411

Did he get hurt? (I'm guessing him playing all of 3 games in July means "yes," tho I'm willing to bet Shea Hillenbrand has something to do w/ it.)

That said, he'll only be 26 @ the start of the season, and it might behoove the Jays to see if his first half was the sign of better things to come. Unless the trade's a whopper (for a solid #3 starter type, or better), I'd hold off. And given that most folks probably see AR the same way we do, I think trading him now would be selling him & the Jays short. (Ha - maybe JR can trade AR to the Royals for Meche!)

David RER (Frank Fiore), Monday, 18 December 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

He had a leg injury or something and then a staff infection - which caused him to lose a shitload of weight. But by sept he'd bounced back and hit .333 / .371 / .606

And even doomsday-scenario-Cruz Jr. at 25 yrs old and $400,000 would've been a steal.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

well, wouldn't you know it, the o's are apparently sniffing around the rios trail.

j.q. higgins, Monday, 18 December 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

So with the Rangers landing Gagne, they announced today that he will be their opening day closer. That's all fine and dandy, but what will become of Aki Otsuka who in 3 seasons (2 w/ SD, 1 w/ TX) has compiled an extremely remarkable 2.43 ERA/1.07 WHIP/.223 BAA as well as saving several key games (including the championship started by Daisuke Matsuzaka) in the WBC.

The Rangers now are shopping Otsuka to the Mets and D-Backs. I have a feeling this comes back to bite them hard.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 08:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Given the decline between his first Padre year & his second Padre year, I think the prevailing wisdom (in certain circles) is that Otsuka's good for one go-around, but is only as effective as his delivery is deceptive.

His K rate has declined each year, and his hit rate has increased (mitigated last year by cutting his walks down by 66%). These are minor fluctuations, but given how Otsuka's mojo works, and the wack-ass market, and their (misplaced) faith in Goggles McGee, and what happened to Francisco Cordero last year, it might behoove the Rangers to at least test the waters & see what schwag Otsuka can get them. But given how many pitchers up & die in Arlington, and the sad-ass state of their rotation, you'd think holding onto one pitcher that stood firm (& establishing the semi-solid foundation of a functional bullpen) would be the prudent move.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I dibs Otsuka's Mojo for my fantasy baseball team name FOREVER. Either that or Behoove The Rangers.

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Gagne hasnt even proven he can pitch yet either, which is awesome. He's been yammering about how hes never been in better shape in his life, but hes been saying that for the past 2 years.

turd burglary (turd burglary), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, but "only pretty much pear-shaped" is definitely better than "pear-shaped but perhaps more like an avocado really"

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

they announced today that he will be their opening day closer.

How weird of an announcement is this? "We know our starter won't go nine and we know we won't blow them out so you can expect to see Gagne opening day."

jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

when was the last time Texas won on opening day... really?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

And Gagne will honour that tradition, i'm sure.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link


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