Liberal leadership post-mortem thread

No, I did not - but at the same time was saying he (ie another party) being in power would be good for the country. AND I don't think the idea that a brief (lets hope) change in the upper echelons of power is "directionless reasoning". 13 years the Liberals were in power and it may sounds cliched at his point, thanks to Harper, but I do think they were getting arrogant, as a party. They signed us up for Kyoto and proceeded to do almost nothing beyond that for the environment. That being one example of many, imho, where they were just getting lazy, policy wise.

I don't think it was at all flawed logic in the slightest that a change of the guard would be a healthy thing for our nation. Although I was more of a proponent of that idea when I thought Harper would keep at least some of his promises that weren't based on hating teh fags!

The Cretien Liberals might have been getting arrogant, but Martin almost completely turned over the cabinet when he came into power. We'll never know how that new bunch might have fared in the long run because of the scandal and the two elections. I think letting those guys govern would have been a better option than electing Harper!

I see what you're saying -- in the long run, change can be better because the opposition freshens up their approach and makes changes that they wouldn't have been compelled to make otherwise. I'm just not sure that it's worth suffering through a crap government to produce those results ... isn't that how the Harris Conservatives were swept into power?

Like Thermo, I'd also assumed that a Tory (Do we still call them that now that they're not Progressive anymore?) minority would just more or less administer things efficiently for 2 years without rocking the boat with anything too far right. I've started second-guessing myself. (NB I voted NDP of course.) I did give a crap about the sponsorship scandal FWIW.

(I actually think that many Ontarians supported Harris' "Common Sense Revolution" at the time though.)

Ya - Harris was more about Ontario being in the fiscal shitter than anything else.

... as opposed to when the Harris govt left office?

Again, it's all about who can govern most competently! When one party screws up, it doesn't mean that the other parties won't screw it up even worse!

So your point is there was no reason to vote out the Ontario Tories? ;p