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the modern notion of england was invented by the klf, duh

― friday on the porch (lfam), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I'd love to read an article -- nah, a book -- on James Brown by Matos and D. Wolk! I shall rob a bank and commission such a thing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

d00dz, nabisco always figures that if you can explain it, then there's no big deal -- that's his shtick.

― sterl clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

do we give klitstermaw credit for not taking the more obvious Arthur Lee/Syd pairing? As a huge Lee fan, I'm glad he didn't, but many people would claim Arthur had some mental issues too.

― bill sackter (bill sackter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 05:51 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a bad piece, period, and that would be true even if it was written by someone who didn't mostly (if not completely) suck.

^^^^This is basically my stance here.

But Stence, saying that Barrett's voice influenced people who didn't know of him is not a "wrong detail," it's demonstrably k-correct

It may be correct, and I obviously understand his implication I just protest the way he said it. No big thing. If I was his editor I would have said something like: I get what you are saying, but it reads pretty stupid and maybe you should change the wording around.

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

what "k-correct" mean?

― m coleman (lovebug ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't believe i actually just read that whole thing

― Surmounter (Awn, R), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF, dudes, someone thinking your complaints are overheated is not quite the same as an "embargo on discussing music criticism" -- what, is there an embargo on discussing your criticism of music criticism? (Besides which, once again, this isn't music criticism; it's one in a series of year-in-review obit pieces.) I'm not sure I'll ever understand why you guys are casting that as Saving Klosterman rather than, I dunno, thinking certain criticisms are just bunk (apparently Occam's Razor suggests I must have a hard-on for Klosterman rather than OMG just disagreeing with an ILM poster??), but if this kind of run-of-mill fluff really gets your dander up, so be it.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

for the first time ever on ilx, nabisco, stfu.

so not otm.

― Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Stencil OTM

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha for neither the first nor last time on ILX: Stencil in randomly being a giant prick shocker!

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

cry me a river.

― Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

randomly being a prick? Nabisco, you're kind of asking for it. People disagree with you (total shocker I know) and you're not going to win any arguments or change minds at all on this thread. Let it go.

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

dude, we KNOW it's not music crit because it's made up entirely of opinion, conjecture, and sloppy googling. hey, wait a minute...

― scott seward (121212), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

K on college bowl games. Actually I like bowl games too, but this piece ends up being about 73% about Klosterman, and I don't really think the NCAA is going to make any decisions based on that.

― Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned, have you read Wolk's Live at the Apollo 33 1/3? One of the three best in the series, easy.

― Make a Beck Song #1 (wkwkwk), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

(also the Nabisco pile-on is amusing if only because it just confirms everything he's saying.)

― Make a Beck Song #1 (wkwkwk), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned, have you read Wolk's Live at the Apollo 33 1/3? One of the three best in the series, easy.

Damn, you're right, I'd forgotten about that! Something to catch up on.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

There are worse reviews. There are worse Klosterman pieces by far. But I think it would have been nice to have a slightly better nytimes obit for Barrett and/or Landy since I like reading the times occasionally.

That's all.

― mh (mike h.), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

So this is about his tone and not his points

Okay, I'm coming in late, but WTF? Of course it's about his tone and not his points. KLOSTERMAN is about his tone and not his points!

In the rare cases when he has any... Reading him can be mildly pleasant, in the way that having a VH1 list show on in the background while doing other things can be mildly pleasant, or intensely aggravating, in the way that a VH1 list show inspires atavistic blood-fury if you actually pay attention to anything the talking heads say.

― Name Not Found (rogermexico), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

well, yeah--that's why I said his tone becomes essentially invisible to me after a while, because I know what to expect.

― Make a Beck Song #1 (wkwkwk), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

so Our Number One Most Significant Interpreter Of Popular Culture is, you're saying then, the prose equivalent of Charlie Brown's mom?

Joan Didion wept.

― Name Not Found (rogermexico), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

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