ILNFL sandbox thread, because you shouldn't pass up a chance to LOL @ the NY Giants

Well, wait a second, I mean saying "anything is better" doesn't mean that that is still not completely batshit insane.

xpost that is actually true, Dan. As a halfer, I am more comfortable with only about 10 people living with me at one time, though.

hahaha what.

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I remember watching the show, real popular show, Touched by an Angel, and I remember the angel lost her powers. And the reason she lost her powers is she was trying to help a drug dealer and she lost her powers there and they thought she was dealing drugs. But they took her to court and the judge started asking her questions, and so she asked the judge a question, why is it that when we talk to God we call it praying, but when God talks to us they call us crazy.

So I just want you to know I'm not crazy. Okay. But in the process of knowing that -- I lost my train of thought ..... where I was going with that? Where was I going? What did I say?

And I remember going into the communities and just talking to the people and preaching to them and did it for two years, and after that two years I realized something. People are tired of being preached to.

A+++ WILL SLEEP WITH EXTENDED F@MILY @G@IN

only took two years to find that out? god i wish i could play high stakes cards with someone like that.

The stats are from www.pro-football-reference.com.

Kordell Stewart
Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 1995 pit | 10 | 5 7 71.4 60 8.6 1 0 | 15 86 1 |
| 1996 pit | 16 | 11 30 36.7 100 3.3 0 2 | 39 171 5 |
| 1997 pit | 16 | 236 440 53.6 3020 6.9 21 17 | 88 476 11 |
| 1998 pit | 16 | 252 458 55.0 2560 5.6 11 18 | 81 406 2 |
| 1999 pit | 16 | 160 275 58.2 1464 5.3 6 10 | 56 258 2 |
| 2000 pit | 16 | 151 289 52.2 1860 6.4 11 8 | 78 436 7 |
| 2001 pit | 16 | 266 442 60.2 3109 7.0 14 11 | 96 537 5 |
| 2002 pit | 8 | 109 166 65.7 1155 7.0 6 6 | 43 191 2 |
| 2003 chi | 9 | 126 251 50.2 1418 5.6 7 12 | 59 290 3 |
| 2004 bal | 2 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 1 -1 0 |
| 2005 bal | 1 | 0 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 | 4 24 0 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 126 | 1316 2358 55.8 14746 6.3 77 84 | 560 2874 38 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Michael Vick
| Passing | Rushing |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT | Att Yards TD |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| 2001 atl | 8 | 50 113 44.2 785 6.9 2 3 | 29 300 1 |
| 2002 atl | 15 | 231 421 54.9 2936 7.0 16 8 | 113 777 8 |
| 2003 atl | 5 | 50 100 50.0 585 5.8 4 3 | 40 255 1 |
| 2004 atl | 15 | 181 321 56.4 2313 7.2 14 12 | 120 902 3 |
| 2005 atl | 15 | 214 387 55.3 2412 6.2 15 13 | 102 597 6 |
| 2006 atl | 11 | 150 292 51.4 1770 6.1 13 9 | 95 870 2 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+
| TOTAL | 69 | 876 1634 53.6 10801 6.6 64 48 | 499 3701 21 |
+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+

Kordell Stewart Career

Total Games: 126
Completions: 1316
Attempts: 2358
Percentage: 55.8
Yards: 14746
Average YD: 6.3
TDs: 66
INTs: 84

Michael Vick Career

Total Games: 69
Completions: 876
Attempts: 1634
Percentage: 53.6
Yards: 10801
Average YD: 6.6
TDs: 64
INTs: 48

Vick is a better passer in TDs vs. INTs catagory, but their completion percentages/yards per completion are close. Vick is the better runner as you'd expect with a total of 3701 rushing yards vs. Stewart's 2874.

I still don't quite get wanting to pull the trigger on Grossman.
I think Chicago's problem is their play calling. The Bears got greedy after having success going deep early in the year and have gone too many times to the well. They need to get more screens working, as that could crack things open a bit more for the running game and help the deep passing game. The problem is that Grossman has is like Eli Manning and Vick in that they are inconsistent throwing the short passes.

Vick's recievers are pretty cruddy, but he also seems to do a bit of the Farve thing for throwing some balls so damn hard they freaking bounce off the players. It is funny how a month ago Vick was turning into this superhuman QB and now he is flipping off the fans. Watching how Vick carries the ball scares me far more than him throwing the ball. I looked it up and MV fumbles are actually down this year, but everytime he runs palming the ball, I cringe.

Kordell had a couple of decent years. Stewart took alot of blame for those Steelers losses that were tied to their special teams doing stupid stuff. They lost a couple of big playoff games giving up returns for TDs and fumbling the ball away in bad moments. Slash wasn't all that, but he took more than his fair share of the blame. I got to think if Stewart would have stayed as Slash/WR, he might be still in the league and could be "Hines Ward" instead of a failed QB.

the canard i've been hearing lately about his lack of touch drives me apeshit too, cuz you will seriously see guys claiming that he's hurling nolan ryan fastballs on 2 yd dumpoffs even when it's demonstrably untrue. i dont wanna turn this into a capn save a vick thread (lol too late) but none of the dudes talking shit abt him ever want to own up to what they're actually thinking: they don't like him because he has braids and wears a do-rag. actually the entire 'he guns it too hard' thing is a perfect example of this, it's like some karl rove-ish master stroke of disinformation. brett favre's been breaking receivers' fingers for his entire career and nobody ever gave him any shit over it. Things I've heard said about MV (usually by herbish white people with suspect facial hair): he's too stupid to read defenses, he's a tattooed thug, he's a bad leader. and it's not just, like, Cletus Boogityfuck saying this shit, it's people in the public eye who aren't being called on it! (white) people look at him like they do Iverson, except Vick's assumed a role on his team much more commonly held by good ol' boys. and it's not like there aren't a lot of legitimate criticisms to be made of him (ball: meet turf!) it's when people say stuff like he's TOO STUPID to read defenses (as opposed to mensa candidates dan marino and brett favre???) that they reveal what they are actually talking about.

can't argue with this tho :( also ppl forget that Vick is still 26 years old (one year older than eazy eli), so uh hey. sky's the limit!

"Stewart took alot of blame for those Steelers losses that were tied to their special teams doing stupid stuff."

haha that has been the story this year too. you could attribute most of their losses this year, besides Oakland and Baltimore, to special teams - specifically their inability to find a player, any player, who can field a punt. randle-el = the fulcrum upon which steelers success rested???

total downer.

I think the Bucs are still on their victory lap. Old Chucky is not looking too happy these days. I personally do enjoy for watching some coaches get comeuppance. I'm still ticked about that crap roughing the QB call earlier this year pretty much handing Tampa their upset of the Bengals. I wonder how many games have had these flag football on the QB calls be key plays in the final outcome?

But the kind of schemes that fit Vick's style of play don't seem to work consistently on the NFL level. Maybe the NFL game will change, but Vick may be past his prime at that point.

Argh come on, I'm getting really sick of this argument. I don't personally think he's too stupid for any of it, just incredibly bad at throwing a ball (combo of the Eli inconsistency on the short + the Favre BREAK YA FINGAS YAAAAAAAAHH thing previously mentioned, you can't do BOTH of those with a bunch of shitty receivers and have me even care about you), but ffs everyone I know who thinks Vick is terrible or stupid likes Donovan McNabb and Warren Moon. The only thing revealed by such a statement is that some people just want their QBs to be QBs, not frigging RBs. Though the idea of just putting 11 RBs out there as your offense is pretty funny :D

In fairness, he does hold every record that ever existed in the history of football. I'm not sure what that implies vis a vis intelligence cos he really does seem like a total dingbat.

The whole argument that anyone is too stupid to play QB is kind of a funny one to me, thinking about it. Montana is like the biggest advertisement for brain injury I've seen that is still walkin' and talkin' in society. The only people I can possibly even remotely think of in terms of this comparison is like, Manning or Troy Aikman? And the correct word for Manning is not "smart" but rather "obsessive compulsive bordering on Howard Hughes."