Dear ILE - a plea

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Eh, fannies. I just don't like that word.

My best friend in elementary school was Fanny.

nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

and she had every right to be

stet (stet), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

i give this meta-thread a 4. where's the blood? where's the momus? when will nabisco unleash a fiery creed from on high? get to work, people!

scott seward (121212), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

My appetite for internet bunfights has withered away to virtually nothing over the past few years, and my use of ILx has changed accordingly. I do my best to avoid the little teams of zingmonkeys who prowl around making the place "funnier". I wind up on the quieter or more communityish threads (and boards), I like it there more, there's not so much playing to the gallery: there's no gallery. (This is the view correctly ascribed to me by jaymc above.)

The skill needed to get the best (i.e. what I want) out of ILX these days seems to be about identifying where the little islands of civility exist and enjoying them, and trying to forget that the rest of it is there, and so very pish. (This is the view correctly ascribed to me by Keef above).

I used to be able to use ILx differently, and follow conversations about which I knew little or nothing, because the general tone made it a pleasure. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. So it goes I suppose. Things change, so do I. On those occasions where I see what appears to be bullying, most usually low-level unpleasantness, it reinforces my view that most of ILx is not the place for me to hang out, so I don't. That's what grimly recommends, I guess. Well done me, proper Thatcher's child behaviour.

So, in summary: I got old and less grouchy and I don't have the time or the energy to waste it on fights here, or (for that matter) to try to convince other people that they might like to behave differently. Hats off to anyone who feels like giving it a whirl, though.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"Woah, fuck, not drinking in there. It's full of fannies! Lets go have a quiet drink round your place instead"

Or, more likely, another pub? ILX isn't full of fannies (let's call them wankers to avoid offending Nathalie's Fanny). I think of ILX as the pub people go to to avoid the ones full of wankers. It has a better good guy: wanker ratio than most other Internet forums I've been to.

onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

there were a lot of wankers at my school

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i feel bad that there are people who STILL feel like I Love Books is taking something away from ILE even though it now barely exists outside of one *what are you reading* thread. i guess i always felt like it would be a nice place for people who liked to read and who didn't want to deal with snark and mean "zingmonkeys". and it was! and has been! but not much blood there. and though some people might not want to admit it, a little blood can be invigorating.

(love the zingmonkey!)

scott seward (121212), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i remember when ILB got a mention in the newspaper!

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Zingmonkey = teh awesome.

I like the idea of I Love Books but whenever I feel the need to start a literature thread, I'm pretty sure I'd do so here. The last Pynchon thread on ILE got way more responses than the equivalent ILB thread. That said, I like the idea of ILB and I'm glad it's there.

(xpost - ILB ended up in like five newspapers!)

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

At last, we have a name for accentmonkey's firstborn.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i know only one newspaper, matt.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

List on people who can't be arsed with ILX these days - should Andrew NF be on it? I haven't seen him post since he gave up the reins of power.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

oh I have.

hahaha remember when I started a mini feud between ILB & NB last year? no blood spilled. I can be such a dick sometimes.

what newspapers was ILB mentioned in? UK I presume.

mark coleman (lovebug ), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently he has 'done a john d'.

no-one's "irreplaceable".

xpost

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

in fact didn't andrew post a really rude pic of his anatomy recently

mark coleman (lovebug ), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I posted a thread on ILB once. The first reply was sarcastic and bleh.
it occasionally had some relevant posts, and then ended.

Better than what ILM/E have become even in the past 6 months, but still pretty bland.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"what newspapers was ILB mentioned in?"

a ton of euro papers. cuzza the one thread that mikey started. it was briefly a webenomemon.

scott seward (121212), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread is unbelievably long, even for a meta.

Alisa, post on TITTWIS. it is open to all posters and all topics.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeh, Andrew has resigned from internet

stet (stet), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

is TITTWIS now a rival to the watercooler? are these two different posses?

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Famous blood feuds

The Campbell - MacDonald feud, including the Massacre of Glencoe
The Capone - Moran feud, including the St. Valentine's Day massacre
The Clanton/McLaury - Earp feud
The Donnelly - Lucan community feud
The Gunn - Keith feud
The Hatfield - McCoy feud
The Lancaster - York feud
The Percy - Neville feud
The Talbot - Berkeley feud
Njál's saga, an Icelandic account of a Celtic-Nordic blood feud
The Pleasant Valley War

White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost
TITTWIS was the original non-specfic conversation thread. It predated all the regional ones.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Thursday, 15 February 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

What about the "bar" that someone set up one time, I can't remember now who? Was it C J?

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

and the mongrels and fuxors predates tittwis as well.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

really? I thought it was an offshoot. my bad.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Thursday, 15 February 2007 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

if everyone stopped getting so hung up on other people's behaviour, this board would improve no end.

S... I'm a bit late here, but the problem with this statement is that it's an impossible ask.

If you can think of an answer that isn't qualified with an if, then we might be getting somewhere.

p.s. fuk u! lolz HI DERE!

KeefW (KeefW), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the "bar" thing was Martin.

Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Keef Wostan, noize bored cub scout!

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha! Hello...

KeefW (KeefW), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

The Donnelly - Lucan community feud

What? Tell me more!

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

The Feud
The Biddulph feud preceded the emigration of the Donnelly family from Ireland and continued for some 17 years after their deaths. However, from about 1857, the Donnelly family was inextricably wound up with the feud.
The Biddulph feud had its origins in Ireland, and had begun almost two centuries before the elder James Donnelly's birth, with Oliver Cromwell. Among other English actions in conquered Ireland, Cromwell's forcible injection of Protestants into a solidly Catholic society -- with the explicit intent of expelling the Catholics-- aroused strong anti-English and anti-Protestant emotions, culminating in the formation of the Irish secret society called Whiteboys around 1761, named for the white robes they wore.
This split sections of Irish society in into three classes: Catholic Whiteboys, Protestant Orangemen, and Blackfeet. Blackfeet were Irish Catholics who refused to adhere to the rigid Whiteboy code and were severely mistreated by the Whiteboys for their perceived treason. The Donnellys were Blackfeet and thus caught in the middle between the Catholic/Protestant battles.
It so happened through an accident of history, that Biddulph Township collected just the right concentration and distribution of Whiteboys, Blackfeet and Orangemen, to cause the Old Country feud to be rekindled. And eventually the Donnellys were consumed in its flames, quite literally burning their way into history.

White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

but the problem with this statement is that it's an impossible ask

maybe so. but then so is saying: "hey, stop zinging/bullying/being nasty to each other."

my point is simple - it's far more useful to say, a la mark seven billion posts ago: "look, people, how about we just ignore posts that irritate us" than it is to say: "right dudes, no more irritating posts." i mean, irritation is in the, er, brain of the ILX0r. one man's troll is another man's nabisco. or something.

fill in the blanks: it's an i----n-t m-ss--e boa-d. lighte- up, pe-ple.

grimly fiendish (simon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

This split sections of Irish society in into three classes: Catholic Whiteboys, Protestant Orangemen, and Blackfeet. Blackfeet were Irish Catholics who refused to adhere to the rigid Whiteboy code and were severely mistreated by the Whiteboys for their perceived treason. The Donnellys were Blackfeet and thus caught in the middle between the Catholic/Protestant battles.

Wow, for the first time ever, I'm proud of my ancestors!

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

traitor!

onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, fuck Catholic fundamentalists!

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Them's fightin' words.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Who are you, some kinda Lucan or sumthin'?

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you come here to talk, or did you come here to fight?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm came for the beer but I'm staying for the show!

kv_nol (kv_nol), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the "bar" thing was Martin.

Mmnot as I remember it... CJ sounds about right, but not entirely sure.

Ole Martin Halck (OleM), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

It was CJ.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

[Moving to shiny new home]

stet (stet), Friday, 16 February 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Came to ILM in search of high-falootin' music discussion, discovered all-purpose web community/bullpit, compromised the two, rose to challenge, may have had issues with some posters in past but now unfussed (aside from when judged), kinda enjoy it. Dom is right that I throw the ball back whenever he throws it at me; what was initially snarky has turned out to be (in the context of the www) character-building and surprisingly good-natured, although I maintain he needs to ditch the McCain's-sponsored epaulettes...

unfished business (Scourage), Friday, 16 February 2007 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

How on earth did you find this board drunk? You have a nose for ILX, I'll give you that.

McCain's-sponsored epaulettes (stet), Friday, 16 February 2007 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

It also means that mods can now delete/move any personal attacks that are getting out of hand, which might deal with some of the problems people have been having.

Dearest admins, who decides what it is zinging, what is bullying, and what is just making a point to someone who then takes it personally?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 16 February 2007 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link

That's for another board =^.^=

teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 16 February 2007 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Dearest admins, who decides what it is zinging, what is bullying, and what is just making a point to someone who then takes it personally?

I know this! It's the admins!

KeefW (KeefW), Friday, 16 February 2007 08:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Collectively? Together? Stet has a bad day, he can just go shitcanning people that are pissing him off? ENQUIRING MINDS NEED TO KNOW THESE THINGS!

teh_kit, if you can't be meta on a meta-board, when can you be meta?

(haha, that looks like a theaudience album track title)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 16 February 2007 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Dear Stet, that was an example, I do not think you are liable to go postal and shitcan people really, please don't delete me for personally attacking your character.

luv ailsa_xx

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 16 February 2007 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link

(PS I know you know that but some people appear to have difficulty in distinguishing between disagreement and bullying so I am making a point. Badly. I'll shut up now)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 16 February 2007 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link


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