― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Mark: How about, at least from now until nuILE is ready, people DON'T react to any other popular forum demons with barbed comments, malicious witticisms, or just pointless blunt abuse, every single time they post.
Lex: lots of people seem unable to tell when they're crossing the line from banter into vicious bullying
How about some people not taking every criticism of things they say as bullying, rather just an observation that they aren't OTM and aren't getting showered in hugglez? Lex's comment cuts both ways: why can't some people see banter as banter and not as bullying? For example, people attack Louis personally. He encourages it! God knows how or why he does, but bless him for it. (I realise there is a middle ground where people are made to feel like shite, but some people can't tell black and white from shades of grey)
Johnney B: Oh, it's their opinions that you dislike? Attack their opinions to shit, really attack them, show the world how they are wrong. But don't attack them personally, or they'll probably ignore you.
See above about recipients of criticism who can't tell the difference. Then wonder why you're getting ignored when you are criticising a person and not their opinions (then wait for a thread on how opinions maketh the person).
Kate: I mean, I'll be perfectly honest about why I started mine own little Balkan - because I was being repeatedly and focusedly bullied on a variety of threads by very specific individual(s), which was killing those threads. A single thread to corral my chatter also had the result of the ability to ban bullies focused on a person.
Get one fucking blog. You had a whole board (which you locked) for this self-centred bollocks. You now shout at, or ignore, people who you don't agree with you on what is a public part of a public messageboard. Might I suggest if you didn't rise to whatever bait was being dangled at you that the threads you refer to might not have been killed in the first place?. Actually, why am I even bothering? You probably think I'm a bully though all I've actually done is try to point out to you exactly why you're the focus of some of this shit (look back on other FITES we've had on the watercooler and show me ONE that is bullying you as opposed to me disagreeing with your view on something, go on.)
Ronan: That's the same reason football threads are some of the most enjoyable, even though I'm no expert I find myself posting on them more because at least there is banter, and it's fairly constant (eg Liverpool always shit etc)
Also, when all other targets are gone, we can all still laugh at DJ Martian.
when did '133t' speak take off on ILE anyway?...I remember when Mark S and Starry would interact and I was like: WTF are they SAYING?
That's not 1337-speak, that's Molesworth as any fule no.
This whole thread is shite. You don't like the way ILE is, ignore it, react against it, drown it in a sea of kittens (actually, don't do that), leave, set up "I love old-ILE", whatever. But, fuck it, this meta "I want it like this" "no, I want it like that" shit is dull. NO-ONE CAN WIN! I can't believe I spent so long reading this. Make it what you want, find a way to deal with it, or fuck off. Me and Ned and teh_kit and stet and RJG and Kate and Sam and Dom and Nabisco and accentmonkey and Uncle Tom Cobleigh are all as much part of this as anyone else and no-one gets to define it any more (if they ever did to start with). The day I can't be arsed any more, I'll leave. The internet is fucking huge. I'll find somewhere else.
(there are many MANY other things people have said on this thread I disagree with. Most of them have been eloquently countered. I can't be arsed OTMing them, I just wanted to make a point, probably because I'm convinced from things she's said and done that I am one of these terrible people that's bullying Kate). Now I'm off to bang my head against a wall, and tomorrow I will continue to post to ILE like I did before.
xpost: In other, lighter-hearted, news, I saw Mark S' doppelganger outside my work today.
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link
yrs,flouncy, shallow, image-obsessed-and-i-bet-limp-wristed-and-lisping-too drama queen "Dude.Shut up.
Saying someone behaves like a little girl is SEXIST and perhaps agist(though that's entirely different, as teenagers are as a whole fucking stupid).It is not homophobic at all.As such it's either true or not.Also, liking Paris Hilton in any way is comperable to saying "you know, cocaine is actually pretty fun! it's not nice to make fun of things I like!"Paris Hilton is a cancer, a pseudo-human, a vampiric monstrosity, an airwave-borne social disease destroying human decency, one of the many reasons it's become 'cool' to be undereducated and bratty.
In any case, you're overreacting and/or trying to pull some 'gay card.'My ex boyfriend (who is a joyless hobbity lawyer-wannabe, but decent human in some ways) would probably be more offended than I.And I'm offended that you would use this to defend bad taste.Grr.
The problems I have with the internet and what's spreading into ILE are:Sardonic/sarcastic/snotty 'humour' that's often not even relevant.Passive agressive baiting."Hey! I don't care that i'm wrong! I now decide to get everyone's sympathy and use it against you!" which is the behavior of...a 12 year old girl.Refusing the benefit of the doubt/never getting confirmation of intent/not caring about intent.
These things bring out the worst in me. I dislike feeling that way.
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link
gosh, the words of a truly level-headed, rational and functional human being! i think you should go see someone about this, i can feel the twitching from here
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link
This might be a joke. Might be.
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm pretty sure if you or someone else started a 'UK daytime idle chit-chat' thread that pretty much all of them would post on it. why wouldn't they?
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link
omgggg huggle
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link
(also I don't post from work!)
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― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― doctor morbius (bundgee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
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― sleep (sleep), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link
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― the matrix (bundgee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link
watching alisa and kate fight makes me so hot
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link
GZeus I kiss you.
― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Hi Ailsa... OK will do.
― KeefW (KeefW), Thursday, 15 February 2007 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link
-- lexpretend (lexusjee...), February 14th, 2007."Hooray for avoiding the issue and taking my exaggerations(slight as they may have been) seriously(and somehow PERSONALLY) as you have.Slight of hand in attempt at putting any annoyance on me.How entertaining...oh wait, I mean boring.
― Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― ghkghkg (Pablo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 15 February 2007 08:07 (seventeen years ago) link
I think you should.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 15 February 2007 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link
And Stet said this: “Kinda tricky to prove a negative, innit.”
I discovered ilx after someone pointed me to a thread where something I had done happened to be mentioned (all good-natured, I was amused). I liked the place and starting posting a little tiny bit but stopped when I was living at a friend’s. Once I got an internet connection in my new house, I was really very reluctant to post because of the bad-naturedness of some of the threads and the general feeling that it might end up being unpleasant. I wasn’t necessarily intimidated (maybe a bit?) but I just thought: nope, that’s not the environment in which I want to discuss things.
It was a shame, because I liked reading some threads (and now and then still do), particularly after an interesting or important news story. It is difficult in real life to get access to people wanting to discuss the same things you do right there and then (and with the same wit and intelligence that some ilx posters do). I wanted to join the Isabel Allende thread, for example, for that reason.
As Ailsa said, if people don’t like the way things are, they can just go away and not post - which is what I did. I’m just saying this because someone was wondering whether willingness to post has been affected, and in my case I think maybe it was.
But then I’m posting this - so maybe that shows that really what I should do is just contribute and not pay any attention to the badbits. Cos clearly I think it’s a generally a decent place, worth the effort of Saying Something in an attempt to be constructive.
fwiw
― zoe espera (zoe), Thursday, 15 February 2007 09:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Whilst Ailsa is OTM about the current state of things; I don't have any desire to watch people being unpleasant to other people I think it is worth pointing out (given the increasing frequency of this sort of thread since "Has ILE gone down the dumper") that I do think something has been lost. I remember a thread a few years back about an ILE compilation album that went off co-operatively and without a hitch. Now I suspect it would be a mere five posts old before some goon posted "lolz people on internetz be making shit musics". I don't think that it matters that someone would, it's relatively easy to ignore: it's just a shame.
Re the balkanization of the boards, I don't think ILE should be treated as a sacred cow. I actively prefer I Love Cooking, in part because I actually get some response to posts, due to the pace being slower and more considered, same goes for I Love Books.
― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link
Dunno about that -- I have good memories of the book threads, the film threads on here I always read. I'd say it would be great if ILB (as much as I like it and have no problems with) would simply move back here. Except of course you can get readers at these satellite boards that you don't get anywhere else.
This 'plea' at the beginning of this thread is the most pathetic load of shit I've read in a while. This thread getting 500+ messages is the 'problem'.
ILE will never be another sinister Barry. LEGO!!! xp
― xyzzzz__ (xyzzzz__), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Agree with the latter, think [mggmgh -mod edit]
― It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Or did I 'bully' you into it?
― xyzzzz__ (xyzzzz__), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link