(just cos ILX wasn't erally like that when i got dragged in kicking and screaming yo)
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
indeed, and then they'll deny they ever made a personal attack at all despite the evidence being RIGHT FUCKING THERE (see: 7 posts up)
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link
If it was just you, then fair enough. But if everyone ignored them (kinda what I meant anyway, sorry) then they'd soon stop, and either start being nice or go away. After all, the worst thing to do to an attention seeker is to give them no attention. But maybe I've got an optimistic view of the world, and I assume that everyone on this thread is a nice person who really can just rise above any sniping and be a grown-up. Sorry guys.
― Johnney B's got a system (stigoftdumpilx), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link
If only more people were, like, "hi dere it is the internets" and didn't really connect it to life, maybe we could all shrug it off...? But then, what good would online/written/anything communication be at all?
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link
he's talking about marcello who gives a radically different version of himself to different people on different days and you can't expect people to just ignore him cos he's a dick to steve, especially because a fair number of people know him offline and don't notice him being a dick. in fact his better friends do seem to step in and say stop being a cunt when he's trolling. so i think yr strategy is the opposite of right.
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link
Steve, I know that Noise Board is more than just "ball-breaking," but I thought it was worth pointing out that previous instances of "why don't you start your own board?" haven't exactly diminished the level of bullying and zing culture. Since lots of people, like myself, tend to jump around from ILM to ILE to NB, the mentality of one board is often going to seep into that of another.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link
You could argue that if more people did connect it to real life, then maybe they wouldn't be so dickish.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Speaking subjectively, they have, but they've also allowed it to get a lot of local positive reinforcement going on, so when they spill back over here it's more toxic than before.
I think the problem is that Everyone has a Posse, so no-one's that bothered about what other gangs think of them.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link
fixed.
― chicago kevin is back in a new york groove (chicago kevin), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link
see I hate this kind of thing. To me the idea of thread "ownership" and making things stick to one person's idea of on-topic seems really non-organic and against the spirit of board like this altogether. I know it's a matter of opinion/perceoption but I hate it when people start acting like spoiled only children when it comes to "their" threads. (not saying that you're doing this accentmonkey)
― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Ms Misery (missmisery7...), February 14th, 2007.
OTM
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― g000blar (g00blar), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
did NB introduce this concept?
was it just an honest approach? taking what already happened on ILE and ILM to a logical conclusion?
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
-- resumo impetus (n...), February 14th, 2007.
It was right is everyone's face, Tyler and I just made it visible. It was on the tip of everyone's tongue, Tyler and I just gave it a name.
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
Also Sam OTM about ownership.
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Some people will find a way to perpetuate feuds and things no matter how much others ignore them or remove themselves. Almost anyone can occasionally act dickish. Usually it says more about what is going on in their own lives, than in the life of ILX - until it takes a major blowup to set ILX acquivvering.
This thread itself has revealed just what different views different people on ILX have about ILX. It's certainly been illuminating in that way. I've generally been feeling relentlessly "OTM" to Accentmonkey.
I suppose you're right about the flameculture of NB infecting ILE, Stevem.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
this is steve from forever ago and i don't know if it's entirely serious, but, no! to it all.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr.C (Dr.C), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost
Kate, you're probably the most likely to fit in on the noise board of all the people who dislike it!!!
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
There was a board where my name was verboten to the point where accounts were deleted for mentioning me offhand. Funny, after I left (4 years ago?), the community decayed to nothing.
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, ditto.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
and i don't know if it's entirely serious,
of course it was serious
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
ok, well, again, i think it's a terrible idea. the all-in-together messiness and the friction of ile is its strength, maybe its ONLY strength. thread balkanization is one thing; more and more board balkanization will be the heat-death of the whole enterprise, i'm sure of it.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
M Grout so OTM!
― kv_nol (kv_nol), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
I do think that if a thread has started to discuss (or avoid) a certain specific subject, people should stick to the topic for the most part. If other subjects arise, new threads can come up. (the way that the "Self" thread evolved out of the "dating non-vegetarians" thread, to me, was a very good example of that.)
In a perfect world, one wouldn't need the concept of "ownership" over threads, because people would be reasonable and polite and not drag threads off topic unduly (Something I used to do myself terribly, before I had the 'Cooler thread to corral all my current obsessions into.) or degenerate into personalness. But the world is not perfect, and threads *do* get prematurely atrophied - or unreasonably blown up into hellish conflicts - when it would have been a lot more interesting if they had stuck to their original remit.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link
people, here, are exactly like how they are, "for real." i think a lot of times they don't even know how, but they are.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
what so there is some sort of ceiling to balkanisation? anymore and the engines cannae take it cap'n? doubt this myself
again all i am advocating is a quicker move towards what started happening 2/3 years ago. logical progression and conclusion. because i don't think this thing has a reverse gear.
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm often more charming, witty, and better looking here.
(Take no notice, I have no Idea what I mean by that, I think)
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
This whole spectacle hasn't really been edifying for anyone especially Lex and Dom. FWIW the post Lex linked to wasn't about Dom getting dumped nor was it about a suicide attempt, but it did paint Dom in a very poor light indeed which is probably why a) he got so enormously pissed off and b) he made up that suicide stuff as an appeal to sympathy and a way of winning a fight.
Many xposts - using the noise board as a scapegoat for everything that's wrong with ILX is disingenous considering the real bitter rivalries stretch back way before that and the noise board was actually set up in the first place to keep this stuff OFF the rest of ILE.
The point is that the people going "ooh you are all being nasty and bullying" and the people going "ooh you people are just being oversensitive" are NEVER going to agree so there's no point in even having this argument.
The problem with zing culture is its BORING. You open any thread and then there's the same four or five posters all zinging each other and you can tell THEY'RE not even finding it particularly entertaining, they're just doing it because they're bored and they can't stop posting. Enrique did it about four posts into this thread with that knackered old Mark C/Pringles meme that surely only the most easily amused can still find funny. It's fucking annoying for the rest of us to have to trawl though as well.
Might I add that I think the turning point for ILX was when the number of posters who didn't know or care about Freaky Trigger exceeded the number of posters who did?)
This is OTM I think, the moment when the sense of cohesive community sort of evaporated and as did any claim to some sort of universal 'ethos' of the boards. And although Ethan asks can someone please name any of the intelligent, enriching, worthwhile posters who left because ilx was 'too mean'? it's pretty clear that the likes of Tom E, Mark S, John D and so forth stopped posting as much (if not left) because the overall atmosphere was something they didn't really want to be involved in.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
so I could edit messages and embed audio after ILE banned me from doing it!
― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah no-one is really saying this. see my post re 'boards vs boards' mentality.
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link
But the world is not perfect, and threads *do* get prematurely atrophied - or unreasonably blown up into hellish conflicts - when it would have been a lot more interesting if they had stuck to their original remit.
they got exactly as interesting, or not, or atrophied, or blown up, based on what the people participating in them wanted at the time. look, this is a market, not a project. you have to take the occasional shitty outcomes with a little zen grimace and just get on to the next thing, srsly.
― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
as i SAID, but i expect nothing less from them so it had less impact.
― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― a_p (a_p), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link
There are some subjects on which I'd rather have one post an hour, which was on topic and thought out - than 100 posts in a row of meaningless chatter and nastiness.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link