I'd really like to work with music in some way. I play a few instruments, have been involved in bands for a long time, did a couple of years in a conservatory, but I don't think I could withstand the boredom of getting my chops up to being a full-time session (or wedding/bar-mitzvah) musician.
I'm not business averse, and I don't even mind being involved with music that I don't personally love sometimes, and I'm even ok with a small dose of sell-out, but I don't want to be 100% business side like a manager or booking agent. Well actually even managing doesn't sound all bad because I like the idea of talent development, but my impression is that it's a longshot career where you're staking your ability to make a living on finding that meal-ticket act.
I guess in my dreams I'd be a producer that also plays, but it's not like you can just apply for a job as a producer, and I'd presumably have to learn a fair amount about engineering and music biz to do that, not to mention having some kind of an "in".
I enjoy teaching but I don't want to be a music teacher because I don't want to direct marching bands and symphonic wind ensembles.
So spin my wheel of fate and tell me what it comes up on.
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 2 December 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Saturday, 2 December 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Oddly enough, staying here I saw seven golden bowls make cakes and religion (goo, Saturday, 2 December 2006 04:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 2 December 2006 06:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Saturday, 2 December 2006 06:36 (seventeen years ago) link
I have absolutely no authority to speak on the subject, but if I were interested in being John, here's the plan I'd follow:
1. Find a good home-base city. Chicago, San Francisco, or NYC in the USA will do. Charlotte, NC won't. Pay particular attention to cities with cheap-rent warehouse districts where you can make noise unhindered. Move there, ASAP, so that you can start to build up contacts in the musical world.
2. Find a musical niche. John's niche is "analog", kinda, but he started out digitally; his studio was Pro Tools-based before he saw the light, tossed it all, bought a Neve, and went 100% analog. This is a really great selling point for TT, since many musicians and engineers believe in the mystique of analog recording (including Mighty Steve Albini, who has an army of arguments as to why it's still better than digital.)
Of course, I'm not saying that "analog" is necessarily the "right" niche to be in now, but there are lots to choose from, and a "vintage" niche is often a cheap choice: Perhaps you can focus on vocal music and build up a great selection of mics, or maybe you can become known as the local version of Phil Spector/Wharton Tiers/Kramer.
In any case, a niche is essential. If the only thing differentiating you from thousands of other studios is price, you're gonna lose. In my opinion, a useful niche is backed by expertise, which takes time to build. Start now.
3. Invest in gear. GOOD gear, preferably a generation or two old, which'll sit nicely in a 19" rack, when possible. The better the hardware, the longer its lifespan, and you'll need to start buying now if you want to open your studio in 5-10 years. And quality hardware keeps its value, so if you decide to get out of the business later, you won't take a total bath.
4. Make friends. Lend gear. Keep your contact list up-to-date. The more people who simply know who you are and what you do, the larger your clientele will be when you open up shop. Be nice to these folks; don't just try to impress people with your technical knowledge. Communication skills are, in the end, more important than technical skills: When you have a hoppin' studio, you'll always be able to find very technically qualified engineers to work in it, but a great amount of technical skill without peeple-skillz won't gain you an initial clientele. I mean, who wants to work with an asshole?
5. Record yourself and your friends. Even if you don't charge them, their friends will hear your work and want to work with you if they like it. Plus, it's practice, and you'll gain technical knowledge of the hardware you use as well as expertise regarding which hardware is crappy and which ain't. You'll learn that what they told you in music school about cardioid placement is wrong and that a $1.00 contact mic has some amazing uses. You'll learn that you need to fake out some singers with a doubled dead mic. You'll learn that there's no substitute for a 6ft^2 plate reverb.
Again, I'm definitely underqualified to advise you on the matter, since I'm not an audio professional. The only qualification I have is in being 38 and having watched lots of my friends try to struggle to achieve their dreams in the wrong way. The US educational system, at least, teaches kids that they must spend X number of years in school; after they graduate, they immediately take a job in their chosen profession, and that's it. They live happily ever after. Nowhere is it acknowledged that some jobs cannot be attained via schooling only, but require much preparatory time and a wealth of skills that can't really be taught.
Two examples:
1. A friend of mine from in high school wanted to write comedy for films or TV. So when he graduated, he moved to LA with two other friends with the same inclination and proceeded to write and submit scripts to folks with whom he had no real connection. Naturally, nobody read them, and since they had no other means of determining that he was funny -- he didn't do standup or publish in other media -- he went nowhere quick and moved back home after 3 years. I don't think it ever occurred to him that the quality of his work alone wouldn't suffice to grant him the career he sought.
2. When I started university, many years ago, I wanted to score films. Of course, since it was a generic music school at a generic university, there were exactly zero classes offered on my chosen profession. As you've probably noticed, generic music schools train kids to be classical musicians or band teachers. The composition class I took involved a lot of instruction to "do what you feel like doing" and in-class listening of the students' favorite records, which ranged from Bach to Pink Floyd. I dropped out at the end of the semester, having quickly realized how incredibly foolish it was to think that I could get a "band teacher" degree and just go out and get a job for which my educational achievements "qualified" me. Nobody -- not my parents, my colleagues, or my friends -- had any notion that you had to get into the industry by the back door, that you had to have contacts, and that you had to had to labor in relatively menial positions alongside other folks in the industry before you'd have a chance at scoring a film. And I sure as hell didn't realize it.
I'm not saying that you're nearly as foolish as I was then, and I'm definitely not saying that I have the magic formula to success as a musician/engineer/producer/studio exec. All I'm saying is this: 1. Don't give up on the big dream, and 2. If the arrow doesn't fly straight to its target, look to see where the layovers are.
― Oddly enough, staying here I saw seven golden bowls make cakes and religion (goo, Saturday, 2 December 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― grbchv! (gbx), Sunday, 3 December 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― John Justen wants to hit you in the head with a pipewrench. (John Justen), Sunday, 3 December 2006 01:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Sunday, 3 December 2006 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, since my band is planning to go into the studio again anyway soon (at a place I really like), my immediate plan is to start picking the dudes' brains about how they ended up doing what they're doing and what works for them. I'd like to maybe also spend some time hanging out with them when they record another band, or if not there then at some other studio, just to get a better feel for it.
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Sunday, 3 December 2006 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Oddly enough, staying here I saw seven golden bowls make cakes and religion (goo, Sunday, 3 December 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T (The GZeus), Monday, 4 December 2006 10:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― John Justen wants to hit you in the head with a pipewrench. (John Justen), Monday, 4 December 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T (The GZeus), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Oddly enough, staying here I saw seven golden bowls make cakes and religion (goo, Tuesday, 5 December 2006 02:55 (seventeen years ago) link
I'd been awake longer than I wanted too, had too much coffee and spent hours trying to design digital hardware with a minimal knowledge of anything digital....for no reason.
Basically, I'd guess it was suggesting a career option.However, why I chose that COULD be as Hurting said, it could also be me feeling destroyed and just blurting how I felt in some kind of weird metaphorical spasm for no reason.Maybe both.
too muchDUNCAN.HILLS.DUNCAN.HILLS.DUNCAN.HILLS.COFFEE.yesterday.
― Geza T (The GZeus), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 04:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― kv_nol (kv_nol), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T (The GZeus), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOM. BOT. (trm), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― lo lux (davidcarp), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Thursday, 14 December 2006 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link
So yeah, know where you're coming from Hurting.
― Geza T (The GZeus), Thursday, 14 December 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Friday, 15 December 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Also I wasn't speaking of what you were doing (again you assume you're the subject at hand) but of what I had considered doing.
― Geza T (The GZeus), Saturday, 16 December 2006 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Also, Geza, dude do you really think it would have been so easy to make a career as a Christian artist even if you wanted to? You're talking about it like it was a phone call away.
― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T (The GZeus), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Do you actually have a point here or are you retarded?
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Saturday, 16 December 2006 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geza T (The GZeus), Saturday, 16 December 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Saturday, 16 December 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
HINT.
― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Saturday, 16 December 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link
However, if one can stand pretending/buys it, then religious music IS a good career!Festivals cosntantly, churches MORE than happy to let you play! Stipends from weird rich people!
Yeah. I was tempted.But that was also a time when neo-gnosticism was big in my mind. It would have been like a Catholic choir boy singing in a Slayer cover band...
― Geza T (The GZeus), Saturday, 16 December 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link