― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link
I’ve watched this pitiful, man-hating libel on Londoners for twenty years. That’s two whole decades of duff scripts, dismal twists, clueless character re-writes, moronic continuity cock-ups and misery. Enough!
Face it, TV isn’t for the likes of me any more, or any other working class male over fifty. Programme makers don’t care about us, so why should we care about them?
I still love some British telly. In particular, TV Burp, Al Murray's Happy Hour, Life On Mars and Corrie's comedy grotesques. But great shows are increasingly rare. I get the distinct feeling we're witnessing The Strange Death of British TV and this sad decline is down to three things. 1) The blinkered pursuit of demographics 2) Bureaucracy and 3) The licence fee. Most modern shows are commissioned not on their merits but because of their imagined appeal to the desired target age, class or gender. It’s one of the reasons why BBC1 hasn’t originated a decent sitcom for more than a quarter of a century but keeps on pumping out dross such as Little Miss Jocelyn and All About Me, a show which ticked every box except: ‘Funny’.
BBC TV is telly by committee; over-regulated, institutionalised and utterly uninspiring. The Beeb isn’t based on commerce, so it has no need to deliver quality. Government-approved state featherbedding has stripped them of all internal energy. The only thing Corporation suits get passionate about is the licence fee; the antiquated tax on viewing that pays their salaries.
Why do they need it? To maintain their market share. Why does the share matter? To justify the licence fee...
The desire to plant their corporate flag in every conceivable area of broadcasting has propelled BBC execs to squander our money on a huge, expanding digital empire. It would have made far more sense in the multi-channel world to concentrate on getting the programmes right.
Majority tastes and opinions are anathema to the patronising, self-loathing middle class do-gooders who run the joint. (Life On Mars gloriously kicks holes in their PC preoccupations; inevitably it’s made by an indie).
C4, also subsidised by the public purse, is propped up by two shows, Deal Or No Deal and Big Brother, both imported from Holland. Little of C4’s current schedule could be described as radical or alternative. Its afternoons are entirely mainstream. Its yoof-obsessed comedy commissions are merely depressing, being increasingly brainless, witless and unwatchable.
Meanwhile, over at ITV the programme commissioners work by: 1) Switching on TV 2) Watching BBC shows and 3) Copying them, badly. They've nicked Dragon's Den, The Apprentice, and Who Do You Think You Are. Primeval is their answer to Dr Who (with a zombie in the lead role). All you need to get a job there is a copy of the Radio Times and a photocopier. Soaps have colonised ITV prime-time like Japanese knot weed. Only their Saturday nights impress.
Ironically, the 21st Century has been a golden age for television; American TV that is. Subscription channel HBO has set the pace, producing a stream of pure-gold: The Sopranos, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Oz, The Wire, Six Feet Under, Chris Rock specials, Deadwood - shows so good they take your breath away. HBO set the bar high, and other US broadcasters have risen to the challenge with 24, The Shield, The West Wing, Law & Order, CSI, My Name Is Earl, Everybody Loves Raymond, Everybody Hates Chris, Lost, The Osbournes and more.
They give us brilliant nightly topical comedy shows too. Across the board, the Yanks deliver. Why? Because 1) US TV is based on commerce and 2) They’ve stopped thinking demographically. They’ve realised that quality is all that matters. Make decent shows and the viewers will come. Our lot commission shows aimed squarely at an audience who won't be wathcing them cos they're out clubbing or pubbing. A comedy like Only Fools & Horses would never be made now – blue-collar, middle aged men in a down-market setting, trading in mainstream humour…who’d watch that?
The best modern US TV hooks three generations of my family. Very few recent British TV shows have. Let’s see: Phoenix Nights (2001-2), The Office (2001-2), The Blue Planet (2001), Shameless (2004 - ), Life On Mars (2005 - ) and Early Doors (2003-4). (Ironically international smash The Office became a hit despite the Beeb. Their comedy boss Jon Plowman had to be talked in to making a pilot, thought Ricky Gervais was wrong for the lead and waited six months before deciding to make the series. The show was nearly pulled after the first episode transmitted after a thumbs-down from the BBC viewers’ panel…)
No current comedy makes me laugh louder and harder than Harry Hill’s TV Burp (2001- ), largely because it affectionately ridicules the mess British TV has become. Our home-grown telly grows increasingly camp, gormless and narrow. We have endless ‘choice’ of different versions of the same fashionable garbage. The whole set-up is a mess and there’s no sign of it getting any better. Television today is full of scrawny, self-satisfied graduates whose only discernable talent is sipping caramel macchinos while fiddling with their BlackBerries. They have nothing but contempt for their medium and their viewers. British TV is losing the capacity to excite us and enthral us. Great home-grown telly is going the way of space hoppers, Spangles and the Stylophone.
You can stick around and watch it deteriorate if you like. I’ve got better things to do.
# FOR scathing, honest and funny TV reviews, read Ally Ross in The Sun. For beautifully crafted observations, see Nancy Banks-Smith in the Guardian. No other TV critic is worth a light."
I'm surprised he likes Nancy though. I thought he had no taste at all.
― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link
Erm.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Merdeyeux Merdeyeux Merdeyeux (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Soukesian (Soukesian), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link
Surely we have enough Hilton apologists in music crit already?
― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― pisces (pisces), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― earlnash (earlnash), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Er...no it fucking doesn't.
― Venga1 (Venga1), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link
ELR is probably no better than My Family, for example.
UK TV companies could surely never produce shows like the American ones he eulogises (rightly) with their bigger budgets, bigger audience (and consequently marketing/commercial) potential, for another example.
FOR scathing, honest and funny TV reviews, read Ally Ross in The Sun. For beautifully crafted observations, see Nancy Banks-Smith in the Guardian. No other TV critic is worth a light.
What about Off The Telly website you technophobic bigot?!
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link
(also, he says re Only Fools and Horses that nobody would watch working class men trading in traditional humour these days, hang on, what's on his list of things he actually does like, oh yeah, Early Doors, Phoenix Nights and Al Murray Pub Landlord. Yeah, they're all Nathan Fucking Barley, aren't they)
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link
It's always nice to find something contradictory in someone's upbringing to their protestations like insulting graduates when you were educated at Oxbridge. Unfortunately, it just seems like Gary Bushell is an idiot, as I said already. I'll say it again: he's an idiot!
...
"Our home-grown telly grows increasingly camp..."
IDIOT!
― rogwan (el juan), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link
What an odd question
― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― It's Expected I'm Maud Gonne (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― It's Expected I'm Maud Gonne (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Dragon's DenLife On MarsFootball FocusTop GearUniversity ChallengeQuestion Time/This Week double-billCulture Show (good on everything except pop music)TV BurpScreen Wipe (when i remember to watch)Ideal (well, a bit...)Comedy Connections
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah... this show is a _lot_ better than it has any right to be. It's not actually, y'know, funny, but it works in a kinda Happiness downtempo comedy/drama way.
― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― DavidM (DavidM), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link
(I shuttup now)
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link
and print it in the Grauniad every week
― It's Expected I'm Maud Gonne (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link
Dirty Den is appearing in The BillMike Baldwin is appearing in Holby CityMAAAAD WOOOORLD
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― DavidM (DavidM), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― It's Expected I'm Maud Gonne (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link
I’ve watched this pitiful, man-hating libel on music critics for five years. That’s two whole decades of duff scripts, dismal twists, clueless character re-writes, moronic continuity cock-ups and misery. Enough!
Face it, music criticism isn’t for the likes of me any more, or any other working class male over fifty. Music lovers don’t care about us, so why should we care about them?
I still love some British music. In particular, Oasis, Heavy Stereo, Bruce Springsteen and 18 Wheeler's comedy grotesques. But great bands are increasingly rare. I get the distinct feeling we're witnessing The Strange Death of British Music and this sad decline is down to three things. 1) The blinkered pursuit of demographics 2) Bureaucracy and 3) Black people. Most modern music is commissioned not on its merits but because of its imagined appeal to the desired target age, class or gender. It’s one of the reasons why EMI hasn’t originated a decent indie band for more than a quarter of a century but keeps on pumping out dross such as Coldplay and Radiohead, a band which ticked every box except: ‘Funny’.
British music is indie by committee; over-regulated, institutionalised and utterly uninspiring. Indie rock isn’t based on commerce, so it has no need to deliver quality. Government-approved state featherbedding has stripped them of all internal energy. The only thing Dublin Castle fisherman's jumpes get passionate about is the licence fee; the antiquated tax on viewing that pays their bar bills.
Why do they need it? To maintain their market share. Why does the share matter? To justify their bar bill...
The desire to plant their corporate flag in every conceivable area of broadcasting has propelled indie execs to squander our money on a huge, expanding digital empire. It would have made far more sense in the multi-channel world to concentrate on getting the music right.
Majority tastes and opinions are anathema to the patronising, self-loathing middle class do-gooders who run the joint. (Oasis gloriously kicks holes in their PC preoccupations; inevitably it’s made by an indie).
Universal Music, also subsidised by the public purse, is propped up by two bands, Girls Aloud and Emma Bunton, both imported from Holland. Little of Universal's current schedule could be described as radical or alternative. Its afternoons are entirely mainstream. Its yoof-obsessed comedy commissions are merely depressing, being increasingly brainless, witless and unwatchable.
Meanwhile, over at the Observer the music writing commissioners work by: 1) Switching on their computer 2) Watching blogs and 3) Copying them, badly. They've nicked Stylus, The Church Of Me and Woebot. Kitty Empire is their answer to Michelangelo Matos (with a zombie in the lead role). All you need to get a job there is a copy of Plan B and a photocopier. Lily Allen has colonised OMM prime-time like Japanese knot weed. Only her Saturday nights impress.
Ironically, the 21st Century has been a golden age for rock; indie rock that is. Subscription channel Rough Trade has set the pace, producing a stream of pure-gold: Carter USM, Arctic Monkeys, OzZy Osbourne, Dodgy, Menswear, Jarvis Cocker specials, Roy Wood - shows so good they take your breath away. The Camden Underworld set the bar high, and other indie venues have risen to the challenge with Frank & Walters, Bloc Party, Kasabian, Skunk Anansie, My Life Story, Birdland, Bradford, Gerry & the Pacemakers, Billy Cotton, JJ Barrie and more.
They give us brilliant nightly topical comedy indie too. Across the board, indie delivers. Why? Because 1) Indie is based on commerce and 2) They’ve stopped thinking demographically. They’ve realised that quality is all that matters. Make decent indie and the viewers will come. Our lot commission acts aimed squarely at an audience who won't be wathcing them cos they're out clubbing or pubbing. A comedy like the Manic Street Preachers would never be made now – blue-collar, middle aged men in a down-market setting, trading in mainstream humour…who’d watch that?
The best modern indie hooks three generations of my family. Very few recent British rock has. Let’s see: the Beatles (2001-2), the Jam (2001-2), The Style Council (2001), Jonathan Fire-Eater (2004 - ), the Pogues (2005 - ) and Billy J Kramer & the Dakotas (2003-4). (Ironically international smash The Beatles became a hit despite the Guardian. Their comedy boss Alexis Petridish had to be talked in to making a pilot, thought Mick Jagger was wrong for the lead and waited six months before deciding to make the records. The band was nearly pulled after the first single transmitted after a thumbs-down from the Guardian readers’ panel…)
No current comedy makes me laugh louder and harder than Oasis (2001- ), largely because it affectionately ridicules the mess British rock has become. Our home-grown rock grows increasingly camp, gormless and narrow. We have endless ‘choice’ of different versions of the same fashionable garbage. The whole set-up is a mess and there’s no sign of it getting any better. Rock today is full of scrawny, self-satisfied graduates whose only discernable talent is sipping caramel macchinos while fiddling with their BlackBerries. They have nothing but contempt for their medium and their viewers. British TV is losing the capacity to excite us and enthral us. Great home-grown rock is going the way of space hoppers, Spangles and Johnny Marr & the Healers.
# FOR scathing, honest and funny music reviews, read Alexis Petridish in The Sun. For beautifully crafted observations, see Alexis Petridish in the Guardian. No other music critic is worth a light. I know which side my bread's buttered."
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Kitty Empire is their answer to Michelangelo Matos (with a zombie in the le (Dom, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Hahaha!
― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Hugely OTM. Play for Today is something the Beeb has completely lost the ability/cojones to do.
― It's Expected I'm Maud Gonne (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 13:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Captain Purple Items (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― It's Expected I'm Maud Gonne (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 13:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/445349/index.html
and the things I know which the writer mentions are pretty good, a few amazingly good, but compared to the volume of one-off dramas which were being produced, he's not touting very many. I'm not saying they shouldn't revive the form, but we certainly shouldn't expect the format to throw up "Made In Britain"s more than, I dunno, once in a decade. And I'm not sure any of us have theh attention span to wait that long before writing off the whole enterprise.
Hasn't the space for the one-off drama kind of bloated a little and turned into TV company funded feature films?
Also you appear to have forgotten all about "This Life +10". Er, hold on.
― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah this was basically what did it, when c4 launched and a bit later when the bbc got into movie production. with c4 it's complex because a lot of their stuff was 'limited release' theatrically (and abroad). but 'bloated' is right for the latter-day stuff, which seems kind of middlebrow export dench stuff on the whole, 'sylvia' and 'iris'; meantime channel 4 stopped making movies after 'charlotte gray' (i think).
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, but it says:
The BBC's head of drama, Jane Tranter, said it was "early days" for the project, which will not hit the screen until next year.
I can't find anything to say it's been scrapped (nor anything to say when we can expect more information).
― Captain Purple Items (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link
they dont make things like they used to and you wouldn't like it if they did
they forgot penda's fen
― 526 (526), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
(this was between Christmas and New Year, btw, so if bloke in pub is to be believed, the revival is still a work in progress and hasn't been scrapped. Or else it has and this dude's writing a TV play for nothing and will have to hawk it to other TV companies or rewrite it for the stage or something. Can you tell I know *nothing* of how this works?)
― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link