jazz hormel's theory of mellowing out

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as explained in his soft circle review

i am willing to see it for

rock: from the byrds to the eagles
hardcore: from early lightning bolt to soft circle
punk: from the crass to acoustic sea-shanties and irish pride music
metal: mayhem to burzum

etc etc but is it ABSOLUTELY true that as fans of all genres age they start to listen to mellower music?

true for all genres?? true for rap/urban??

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The better question is surely how much 'mellow' music fans listened to to start with.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

it seems to me kinda ridiculous to assert generalities about any audience as listening exclusively to ONE type of music at any age. I mean I listened to Black Flag AND the Carpenters when I was in high school. Nowadays my tastes still have those kinds of extremes (High on Fire vs. Yume Bitsu for ex.)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe I do listen to less "loud n fast" stuff than I used to, but then the markers of what constitutes "loud n fast" have changed completely.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know about fans but jazz otm re: musicians.

― JordanC (JordanC), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

that may have more to do with physical facts of aging than anything else though.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh god, there are physical facts to aging, too?

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a hard world.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

and here i thought i was just going to get lame ; (

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Not so much "getting older" but "growing out of the idea that only rebellious music is good"

And Lightning Bolt fans always had Black Dice!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

first comes dockers, then comes cancer

― sir lord baltimore club music (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean I listened to Black Flag AND the Carpenters when I was in high school.

LIES

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

the markers of what constitutes "loud n fast" have changed completely

please explain!!

― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

um things are louder and faster now than they used to be...? I would think this is obvious. Recording technology has facilitated "loud n fast" sounds/styles that would've been impossible to create in the mid-80s.

(I am NOT lying about Black Flag and the Carpenters and I still have the dubbed cassette copy of "Damaged" and my parents' vinyl copy of "Now and Then" to prove it)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

In what way are the Eagles mellower than the Byrds?

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Friday, 16 February 2007 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i clicked on this thread thinking that Jazz Hormel was some contemporary of of Jello Biafra. then i figured it out.

― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Friday, 16 February 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

link to the article?

― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Friday, 16 February 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

brother of smokey hormel?

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Friday, 16 February 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

oh i see now

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Friday, 16 February 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

this is not so much a theory as noticing a minor trendlette

― rip torn vagina (sandboxhulkington), Friday, 16 February 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

and please note that i said "extreme" genres

― rip torn vagina (sandboxhulkington), Friday, 16 February 2007 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

and of course, the flipside of this trendlette is all the former hardcore kids that have gone straight into whitehouse-stylee noise

― rip torn vagina (sandboxhulkington), Friday, 16 February 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

brother of smokey hormel?

yeah, i was probably thinking of that guy

― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Friday, 16 February 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

There were at least 2 threads on ILM addressing in particular Black Dice's mellowing and drugginess.

In fact, one even I (and JW) called Christgau out on bullshit of that quote that Jess includes as it is completely incorrect, Black Dice has/had been mellow(ing) for much longer than the mainstream critical consensus recognizes.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you mean Momus?

― jw (ex machina), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes. Momus = Robert Christgau.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

gygax and jw take momus to task

― jw (ex machina), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

trendlette

favorite word of day.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver (hoosteen), Saturday, 17 February 2007 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I didnt really think i was reinventing the wheel by noticing that me and some other dudes were gettin old.

― rip torn vagina (sandboxhulkington), Saturday, 17 February 2007 06:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean if vahid wants to take it as a "theory" (even jokingly)thats fine but i qualify it so many times in the piece that it seems silly.

― rip torn vagina (sandboxhulkington), Saturday, 17 February 2007 06:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i would have attributed it to you more directly if i really thought it was yr big theory

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 17 February 2007 06:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess i just want to know that as rap dudes get older why they start listening to the clipse instead of norah jones and ammoncontact

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 17 February 2007 06:56 (seventeen years ago) link

the thing is, i think there actually IS something there, i think in general it really does happen! but i am also very interested in the exceptions to the rule, and what they might tell us ...

― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 17 February 2007 06:58 (seventeen years ago) link

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