Does the better sound quality from good vinyl come through over the radio?

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WBLS did a James Brown tribute hour yesterday with Spinderella, who was clearly playing all vinyl, and I could swear I heard all sorts of little sonic details I had never noticed before in a lot of the songs. I thought maybe this was due to clean vinyl on high-quality equipment, but I also thought that radio naturally compressed everything a lot, which I thought might negate the improved quality. But I don't understand these things very well.

Not For Use as Infant Nog (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 30 December 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I have heard that FM signal has very good output. If radio is known for lots of compression, maybe that's just coming from station engineers?

Tim Ellison is number one proponent of Beatle!!!Mania!!! on nu-ILX (tim ellison), Saturday, 30 December 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the compression thing was something a friend told me.

Not For Use as Infant Nog (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 30 December 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I played a promo vinyl copy of "Second Skin" by the Chameleons last week on WREK and it sounded fucking killer, so I really hope the killerness didn't get lost over the air.

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Saturday, 30 December 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

if you don't overmodulate your FM, it doesn't need compression. So some engineers, like ours, build the compression into the mixing stage do compensate for doofuses playing metal CDs at +8 DB. That way you only need minimal compression at the FM stage, and if you stay within the engineers recommended level limits your clipping should be almost nil.

So, yes. But FM also starts to roll off at about 15 khz, so most of the improvement you hear would be in the lows and mids.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 30 December 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Music companies are making CDs “louder” than before but that doesn’t mean it’s good. Loud sounds can lead to listener fatique but loud sounds seem catered for the MP3 generation since they work better in a car, on a train, or a busy city.
To achieve a “loud” sound, the dynamic range of the sound/music signal is reduced by way of audio compression. This will cause the human ear-brain mechanism to perceive the overall signal as being louder, when in fact merely the difference between loud and quiet portions of audio has been reduced.
Overall, the sound quality suffers.
LoudnessWar has posted an educational video clip on youtube (click here) that explains succinctly, within two minutes, why being loud doesn’t mean good. Using a clip from Paul McCartney’s Figure Of Eight (1989), LoudnessWar demonstrates how in getting a louder sound, the dynamic range of the song has been sacrificed and the result can be described as “wimpy.” As shown in the above graphic, to achieve a loud sound, the portion in red has to be removed.
Recording engineer Steve Hoffman, who has been waging a Loudness War, alerted his readers to the youtube clip and says: “I want to make sure that all of you watch this short video clip on what digital compression is doing to remastered music. Please, I want EVERYONE here to check this out so we can all have the same frame of reference on this topic. Be sure to turn your sound up to a reasonable volume…”
Steve Hoffman has also offered the analogy below (click here for more):
WHAT DOES BAD DIGITAL COMPRESSION SOUND LIKE?
People ask me this all the time. I usually tell them it sounds “loud” and they ask why that is so bad. So, I worked out this silly analogy for them and I thought I’d share it with you here:
I want you to go stand in front of a glass door or window. Are you there? Now, move closer to the window, concentrating on your face. When your nose just hits the glass, stop moving. On a CD master, this is the “peak” point; the loudest point on the master that you can go without running into gross distortion. The glass prevents you from going any further. It is like a “wall”.
So, your face (at this point) is still basically your face (if I looked at you from the OTHER SIDE OF THE GLASS I would recognize you). Now, let’s pretend that the back of your head is the “quietest” area, and the tip of your nose is the loudest. This is your dynamic range. Just like the dynamics of music in the real world, even the loudest rock & roll. Got it?
OK. Now, push closer to the window and smush your face against the glass. Owww. Hurt? Well, your face is distorting and still it is not breaking the glass (or getting any louder) just distorting. If I were to look at you from the other side of the glass I might not recognize you any more.
This is what happens to music when it is digitally compressed. It’s a sound I hate with a passion. If you think your nose and face hurts, this is what is happening to our favorite music when it is “remastered” for sheer volume.

daniel seward (bunnybrain), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gmex_4hreQ

daniel seward (bunnybrain), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I played a promo vinyl copy of "Second Skin" by the Chameleons last week on WREK

Curtis, do you have a regular gig at WREK? I generally only listen in to get the Subgenius stuff on Saturday night, but I'll check out yr show if you have one.

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone else think the drums actually sound kind of crazy loud in the '89 mix???

Tim Ellison is number one proponent of Beatle!!!Mania!!! on nu-ILX (tim ellison), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Hey Joe,

Sorry I missed yr post first time around. I play regular rotation on Tuesdays from 1-2 PM. I'm also subbing for Jon on Personality Crisis (MY GOD I AM SO EXCITED) this coming Sunday at 10 PM.

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Tim's blog post is way, way, way off the mark for my ears. Way off.

Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 09:15 (seventeen years ago) link


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