Origins of the orch.hit

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I take it you guys remember the orchestra hit. Sort of the ultimate cliche of the early days of sample based synths, heard in every second single that was released in 85-86, or so it seemed.

But when was the first time it was used? Was it Trevor Horn who pioneered it on "Relax" and "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" or are there earlier instances of it being used.

I have listened to some early Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, Yello and Jarre albums. They pioneered the use of the Fairlight and Emulator, but it doesn't seem like they used the orch.hit early on at all. Same about Herbie Hancock's "Future Shock".

Geir Hongro (geirhong), Monday, 25 December 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i love the orchestra hit.

it's such a cheap thrill.

didn't kate use it in hammer horror? maybe not

Ramzi Awn (Awn, R), Monday, 25 December 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestral_stab , says Owner of Lonely Heart, though I'd guess maybe something from the EP Into Battle by The Art of Noise may beat that by a couple of months.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 25 December 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"Relax" was released before "Owner Of a Lonely Heart", wasn't it?

Geir Hongro (geirhong), Monday, 25 December 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it is a pre-programmed sound on the Fairlight synthesiser, so whoever first used that probably did it first.

FACTASTIC FACT - the ORCH5 noise is the VWAM bit from Stravinsky's "Firebird". Popular Music did an article about it a while back.

The Real Dirty Vicar (The Real Dirty Vicar), Thursday, 28 December 2006 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

That is a good fact.

JordanC (JordanC), Thursday, 28 December 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

It was indeed one of the presets on the original Fairlight music computer. The other one that got used a lot back then (though it's less memorable" was "ARR1", a kind of breathy, somewhat unnatural sounding choir pad, which I have sampled in my Proteus 2000 synthesizer module, and which I FUCKING LOVE.

Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 28 December 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Hollow Sun used to have a bunch of Fairlight sounds online for free download...now all I can find is a link to this:

http://hollowsun.com/vintage/fairlight/index.html

dan selzer (dan selzer), Thursday, 28 December 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a pretty sizable Fairlight sample library on my laptop -- it's kinda fun sorting through them and getting vague distant "wait what song am I recognizing that from" flashes. The one I'm still trying to place is the shattering-glass sound.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 28 December 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I love the orchestra hit at really low octaves where the sample integrity is only barely desperately still clutching at anything approaching realistic. More than like any other noise besides girls moaning.

has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Thursday, 28 December 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

FACTASTIC FACT - the ORCH5 noise is the VWAM bit from Stravinsky's "Firebird". Popular Music did an article about it a while back.

That article was also presented as a paper at the EMP Pop Conference a couple years back. The abstract is at http://www.emplive.org/education/index.asp?categoryID=26&ccID=127&xPopConfBioID=261&year=2004

Make a Beck Song #1 (wkwkwk), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

kate bush does use the ORCH5 sound on her song 'the dreaming' in 1982

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=341267

Abstract

Perhaps the first digital sample to become well known within popular music was actually a piece of Western art music, the fragment of Stravinsky's Firebird captured within the Fairlight Computer Musical Instrument, the first digital ‘sampler’, as ‘ORCH5’. This loud orchestral attack was made famous by Bronx DJ Afrika Bambaataa, who incorporated the sound into his seminal 1982 dance track, ‘Planet Rock’. Analysis of Kraftwerk's ‘Trans Europe Express’, also sampled for ‘Planet Rock’, provides an interpretive context for Bambaataa's use of ORCH5, as well as the hundreds of songs that deliberately sought to copy its sound. Kraftwerk's concerns about the decadence of European culture and art music were not fully shared by users of ORCH5 in New York City; its sound first became part of an ongoing Afro-futurist musical project, and by 1985 was fully naturalised within the hip-hop world, no more ‘classical’ than the sound of scratching vinyl. To trace the early popular history of ORCH5's distinctive effect, so crucial for early hip-hop, electro, and Detroit techno, is to begin to tell the post-canonic story of Western art music.

milton parker (milton parker), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

and a geektastic reprise from the current noize listening thread:

btw there's got to be some other noize boarders geeky enough to appreciate this: when Prince's Black Album came out in 1988 I noticed 'Bob George' used one of the same samples that Jean-Michel Jarre used on 'Diva' from Zoolook, a sped up tape of a woman laughing while talking
and I just figured out where it came from -- it's Suzy Creamcheese saying the word "Bizarre!" on Zappa's Uncle Meat

-- milton parker (milton.parke...), December 4th, 2006.

Track 27
Fairlight Disk 27
Effects4
Name Pitch Notes
Bizzare "Bizarre"
CarHorn Car Horn
EngRev Short Rev
Heart Heart Beat, etc

http://pro-rec.com/samplecds.html

-- milton parker (milton.parke...), December 4th, 2006.

milton parker (milton parker), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

xxpost "The one I'm still trying to place is the shattering-glass sound"

Duel/Jewel by Propaganda, maybe?

everything (everything1967), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

C-Bank - One More Shot?

dan selzer (dan selzer), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link


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