It happened with cassettes first, I guess. If they'd lasted longer as the primary medium maybe we'd be talking about them. While 8-tracks were plastic, it wasn't possible to separate the case from the album -- it was all one thing. But imagine if LPs, instead of sometimes stored by some in plastic sleeves (totally optional), were encased in a hard plastic shell.
With the jewel case, what is the album? The paper booklet, tray insert, and digital storage inside? Think about how silly all those things look when they're removed from the jewel case. They're not the album, just these pieces that need the plastic skeleton to become something.
And the standard jewel case reinforces the idea that the music inside is interchangeable but what endures is the uniform plastic coating.
The jewel case became necessary, it seems, because: (1) CDs were initially so expensive extra effort had to be taken to protect them; and (2) storage became so small, becoming micro in a scale that made little sense taking into account the limitations of the human body, that a larger shell became necessary.
Enough of my half-baked and tossed-off nonsense, tell me what you think.
― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
It is one of the great things about the digital/downloading age - that the music does not have to be bound by format or packaging conventions in this way. yes some people do like that aspect of it for various reasons but my point is that you have the choice now. same with video of course.
― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link
CDs, etc, all are packed into jewel cases via machinery, which load thm into boxes, ship them to Asda, and rack job them like so.
― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Have you ever owned one that wasn't?
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link
I quite like jewel cases, actually. I like the fact that they can die and you can get new ones. A new jewel case kind of resurrects the music within it, a nice clear "lid" with no scratches helps you see the cover better, makes you more likely to want to play it. Makes me more likely anyway. As long as the paper sleeve and the CD itself stay in good condition, you can replace jewel cases indefinitely, making an album immortal. I like that.
Also, they stack and shelve well.
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
how has your vinyl coped? assuming you have some.
you can replace jewel cases indefinitely
IT'S A SCAM to get your precious quids.
Although I need to buy a load of new plain record sleeves for many of my drowned-but-resuscitated old 12"s.
― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Monty Von Bygone (Monty Von Bygone), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link
Dan't comment brings up another question. After 20+ years doesn't it seem like the problem of broken spiders might have been solved?
― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
I just really like designing artwork for the clear jewel cases. Please see all of the Acute CDs for examples of trying to make sure the back of the booklet, the front of the traycard and the CD itself make for something nice when you open the CD case itself.
― dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link
I haven't been buying vinyl for as long as CD's (just the last four or so years), but I haven't had any problems- vinyl seems to be much more resilient (so long as it's kept clean) and the paper inner sleeves are adequate protection.
― telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link
http://991.com/newgallery/Franz-Ferdinand-You-Could-Have-It-345754.jpg
Is it like the case the special edition of the last Depeche Mode album comes in?
― telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link
i like it, it turns my CDs into tiny LPs.
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― akm (akmonday), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
I would not consider myself especially materialistic... but that kind of behaviour is beyond the pale. Cheap CD wallets also tend to scratch the discs!
"super" jewel cases UGH. I don't know why they look so wrong to me, I didn't like the roundy edged cassette versions either when they started coming in (which dates me!). If they are rolling those out for everything... I'll to switch to mpfucking3 for life.
I like the idea of vahid's system, but I haven't looked into what's out there as far as nice sleeves that separate all the materials and don't leave your fingernails catching on all the bits & pieces whilst fiddling to get the disc out.
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link
Kind of amazed they stayed 85% sucky for SO long though.
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm assuming you're in the UK? All the Can remasters I've bought (Mute US versions) have been in standard jewel cases...
― telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link
I hate back covers that don't have track numbers, especially if the names are arranged in some artsy format that makes them hard to count.
Oh yes. FSOL, Dead Cities, WHY GOD WHY
― telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link
Other peoples houses sometimes scare me.
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link
If you love films you get, at the least, a widescreen TV, right?
― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― urghonomic (gcannon), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link
lol
― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link
Pretty much every other CD packaging format sucks. Digipacks? Paper sleeves? Garbage.
― adam beales (pye poudre), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link
This seems to be what most radio stations do, and yeah, it's wonderfully LP-like -- you just have to be sure you keep them alphabetical so you can find everything. They do make nice little fold-over sleeves specifically for this purpose, with room for the front and back inserts, and a soft cloth-like part for the disc to rest against.
I love people who say they love music and yet treat their CDs like shit
Hahaha I love Popeye's fried chicken, but I don't worry too much about ripping the box when I open it!
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link
esp i they're modified or colored and irreplaceable
― jw (ex machina), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link
LPs are all about object fetish. They're special. Beautiful. Delicate. Even rare. From their inception, they've been marketed to "sophisticated" audiophiles as important collector's items requiring special care. Every aspect of the LP can be lovingly fetishized, down to the sexy shrink-wrap sheath that encases it, fetchingly adorned with price tags and other romantic stickerings.
CDs, like cassettes before them, deny this will-to-fetish. Although jewel cases are no longer all basic black, most of them still seem disposable - unrelated to the "real" object they contain. We're forced to remove nasty security stickers as we open them, and as we open them, they often break. We can replace them at the drop of a hat with something identical, or even better. All this invites us to view the package as a mere obstruction to the meaningful object-content within. But the object-content, when removed from the jewel case, doesn't hang together as the beloved. It's just a tiny, shiny disc with a few flimsy inserts. Thus the disposability of the standard jewel case draws a very clear demarcation between the secondary physical content and the real content, which is reduced to the music itself.
― adam beales (pye poudre), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link
The jewel case is a triumph of Ikea aesthetics: it's functional, cheap, short-lived, quietly attractive in a modernist sense, and ultimately disposable. It argues that things derive the quality of niceness primarily from functionality, and to some extent from newness and uniformity.
At the same time, the music that CDs deliver has been almost entirely devalued by file sharing and easy ripping/burning. We no longer need CDs. We can get the music anywhere. And we can carry thousands of records around in our pockets.
So, what's left? The package is cheap junk, and the music can be had without even bothering to buy a CD in the first place. There's no there there anymore. No wonder sales are down...
― adam beales (pye poudre), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link
This guy has got it covered.
― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link
I also don't really agree with the non-fetish idea regarding CDs...some jewelcases are so well designed that they are part of the art for me, and more often, non-jewel cases, like IPR or Fireproof press or whatever various types of envelopes I've gotten CDs in with bits glued to them here and there, totally fetish art objects.
But whatever, I buy CDs, rip them to my computer and never look at them again. Within a few years, EVERYONE will just be downloading music, legally or not, and CDs will be history.
― dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
LPs didn't use to be fetishized. The fact that they seem to be now is because of their CD-induced rarity. CDs were fetishized in the early days, I mean the case is called a jewel case ferchrissakes. It's not a jewel, it's just another copy of some music!
One good thing about the jewel case that no one's mentioned yet is that on a shelf you can read the title without having to take the disk out, which isn't always so easy on a digipak and impossible on a simple sleeve. My only problem with them is the brittle plastic they use.
― nickn (nickn), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link
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And if you remove the booklet from the jewel case:
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― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link
OTM. I came of musical age in the tape "era" if there was such a thing, and, even though I did go through a jazz phase around age 12 which more or less convinced me of the sonic differences, vinyl got cemented in my mind as "that dusty thing they hardly sell anywhere that I can only play on the living room player with my parents a room away who keep telling me to turn it down -- not in my room, not in the car, not at the beach or a picnic". This quaint anti-utility seems to engender a fetishism in some that I'm pretty immune to. With tapes as my norm, cds struck me as a slicker whiz-bang! variation on the theme with greater sound that I was used to and I've carried that impression since, and hence I'll probably be loyal to the format beyond all common sense(like I was with tapes if you can believe that--stopped buying for good c. '95).
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― haitch (not haitch) (haitch), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link
Dude, you shoulda sprung for a cassette deck to go with the record player. It would've been a whole different world for you. All those beautiful records on cassette! Take 'em anywhere! Best of both worlds etc!
Confession: I was record collector scum in the pre-CD era.
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― adam beales (pye poudre), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― sede vacante (blueski), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link
aesthetically to me, rounded edges = desperate to be a bit "modern", square edges = neutral & ignorable.
― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer: glutton for PUNishment (clonefeed), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― dan selzer (dan selzer), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link
In the new world, however, the sound has no intrinsic value. The new world is profoundly democratic and fair. Any sound can be endlessly duplicated with no loss of quality. Almost any file can be destroyed without threatening the life of the sound it contains. And almost anything from anywhere can be heard at any time by anyone. If everyone had a personal gnome that could poop out diamonds on command, how much would diamonds be worth? How much are letters or numbers worth?
Music may be valuable to us, personally, in the moment that we interact with it, but it can never be lost, and time will never wear it smooth. We can have the sound or not, as the moment suits us, and rest secure in the fact that the sound will be there for us, tomorrow or 20 years from now. The sound is now like air. And it isn't worth a thing.
― adam beales (pye poudre), Thursday, 21 December 2006 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link
I mean, it sounds like you're a little peeved that music has lost that value, but my guess would be that music-as-commidty is a fairly recent invention, and the move to easily-shared/copied digital music is like reverting to a time when you just needed a piano and some sheet music (and someone who played piano or lute or whatever) to share/copy a given piece of music. Obviously, music had a value insofar as a person would pay a given amount to go to the symphony or an opera, but we still have live performances. To a large extent, people are growing up (myself, at 21, included) in an era where free music is taken for granted--like music is a right thate every person is owed instead of a saleable object that any person can own--and the music industry will have to adapt.
― max (maxreax), Thursday, 21 December 2006 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link
And without air, we die. Many of us breathe in music like air every day, and while we wouldn't die without it, quality of life would certainly feel like it's taken a dive.
I like Max's idea that music is returning to a natural state -- like we're recovering from the blip in history -- the 20th century, when the flow of music was controlled by businessmen and the media -- labels, merchants, radio, television. Only the wealthy and obsessives had full access to all the music they could desire. Now that we're free of that tyranny, everyone can have that privilege, and music will survive and evolve, and continue to make a living by performing.
Funny that this thread is about plastic cases. I just returned from Arizona, visiting my mother. She had a few of my old albums -- Queen, J. Geils Band. One thing that bugged me was the sleeves would always split open on the sides, so I had to repair all three sides with scotch tape, which is now brittle and yellowed. No matter how new or clean the records were, they sounded like crap on the cheap record player and worn-out needle we couldn't afford to replace when I was growing up. The double cassette deck boombox I bought at 15 was a revelation -- the slight hiss was way preferable to the pops and clicks, and I was able to make mix tapes from radio, tapes and records, and expand my collection at a fraction of the cost. When I got my college radio show, I'd stay up half the night in the studio taping albums, filling the hungry void with the music I craved growing up but had no access to. Tapes were awesome. CDs were pricey but sounded brilliant even through my box. I reserved those purchases for special, classic albums. My first three I ever bought were Joy Division - Substance, The Pixies - Surfer Rosa, and Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation (the day it was released). CDs are still far more reliable storage than hard drives, 100% of which will fail eventually, and they look pretty on my hand built shelves. To hell with vinyl fetishists, CDs and their tacky jewel cases kick ass.
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 21 December 2006 07:01 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm not at all troubled by the fact that music is losing its commidity/scarcity value, and I agree that the large-scale commodification of sounds is primarily a 20th century phenomenon. The devaluation of intellectual property in the digital age is simply an artifact of progress - neither intrinsically good nor bad. And when it comes to issues such as this, I tend to side with the futurists by default. That said, I'm not immune to the charms of nostalgia. I have a rather mawkish fondness for the sense of loss, which perhaps translates as peevishness.
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Fastnbulbous: OTM. Even as a vinyl fetishist, OTM.
― adam beales (pye poudre), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link
But I do think there are some class issues embedded in those old debates of vinyl vs. digital. I didn't meet a single person until I got to college who had the resources to afford a stereo that cost more than a hundred bucks and a collection of more than a hundred albums. The closest I found was a couple crates of records a friend's older brother brought home from college - goldmine! I totally invited myself over to sit in the basement and fill a couple dozen tapes, heh.
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 21 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 21 December 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
When CDs were first introduced they cost significantly more than LPs, and the players cost more than a turntable as well. It was the CD users that were the upper crust, nose in the air types, not the grubby vinyl masses. It's only the dominance of the CD medium that has driven LP prices up and made them symbolic of elitism.
I'm not a vinyl snob by any means; I can't imagine ever buying new vinyl now, and I only buy used if it's really cheap and it's something I don't really yearn for (last purchase was 2 Mick Ronson LPs for $1-2 each a year ago). I still have hundreds of LPs from my youth so I have a turntable ($20 at a thrift store, but with a new cartridge) front and center on my stereo.
Also, I think a lot of the vinyl snobbery comes from the horrendous CD mastering done on many disks in the early years (Kind Of Blue, I'm looking at you!)
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 21 December 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link
I think there was an era where both (combined with cost of players and lack of car players) were neglected by the masses for tapes. Like 1988-1992?
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 21 December 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― dan selzer (dan selzer), Thursday, 21 December 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Nomad-I Wanna Give You DevotionArrested Developement-Tennessee808 State-CubikEnigma-Sadeness Pt. whatever
I'm sure there were others. They came in those shitty cardboard tube sleeves...who's fetishizing those?
― dan selzer (dan selzer), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 21 December 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, that sounds about right. CDs and players were still too expensive for most, and the portability of tape was a big factor. I couldn't see why anyone would buy a pre-recorded cassette, though, because the sound was so bad. For close to the same money you could buy the LP and a blank tape and make a much better copy.
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 21 December 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.all-pictures-photos.com/images/jewel-kilcher/jewel-kilcher-007-img.jpg
― bill sackter (bill sackter), Friday, 22 December 2006 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link
ha ha, looking back these were pretty smart. you already had enough plastic housing the tape. i ended up keeping half my tapes out of their covers and in shoeboxes anyway, mixed with loads of TDK blanks for radio and/or vinyl recording. didn't have a CD player until '94.
― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 22 December 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link