Let's Meditate on the Jewel Case

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Talking about record shopping in other threads, I mentioned my dislike of the jewel case. Putting aside whether you prefer digipacks, paper sleeves, etc. (that's been done to death), doesn't the jewel case ultimately seem like a pretty strange phenomenon? I'm trying to think of other consumer goods where you acquire large numbers of them and they're all packaged in these identical shells that aren't ultimately connected to the object itself. Seems very weird to me, stepping back from it a moment.

It happened with cassettes first, I guess. If they'd lasted longer as the primary medium maybe we'd be talking about them. While 8-tracks were plastic, it wasn't possible to separate the case from the album -- it was all one thing. But imagine if LPs, instead of sometimes stored by some in plastic sleeves (totally optional), were encased in a hard plastic shell.

With the jewel case, what is the album? The paper booklet, tray insert, and digital storage inside? Think about how silly all those things look when they're removed from the jewel case. They're not the album, just these pieces that need the plastic skeleton to become something.

And the standard jewel case reinforces the idea that the music inside is interchangeable but what endures is the uniform plastic coating.

The jewel case became necessary, it seems, because: (1) CDs were initially so expensive extra effort had to be taken to protect them; and (2) storage became so small, becoming micro in a scale that made little sense taking into account the limitations of the human body, that a larger shell became necessary.

Enough of my half-baked and tossed-off nonsense, tell me what you think.

Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

DVD cases seem better somehow but they're not really. VHS cases still worse because they're bulkier.

It is one of the great things about the digital/downloading age - that the music does not have to be bound by format or packaging conventions in this way. yes some people do like that aspect of it for various reasons but my point is that you have the choice now. same with video of course.

sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

With LPs, you had to have manual packers. i.e. people.

CDs, etc, all are packed into jewel cases via machinery, which load thm into boxes, ship them to Asda, and rack job them like so.

M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Must be why I hate CDs - jewel cases are ugly symbols of uniform mass production, completely vestigial to their contents.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Whereas hand-carved CDs by magic elves are laden with the uniqueness of their craft?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

CDs should all be sold in entirely recyclable firm card sleeves. These can still look nice and be durable enough. And they wouldn't crack or break hinges like shitty jewel cases (the new Super Jewel cases are better but still too much plastic).

sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

edward is joking right?

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Whereas hand-carved CDs by magic elves are laden with the uniqueness of their craft?

Have you ever owned one that wasn't?

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Ugh, no to card sleeves. Nearly every CD I have that came in a card sleeve has had to be replaced at some point, though some package are worse than others (G!Y!B!E!'s Raise Yr Skinny Fists and Gravenhurst's Flashlight Seasons rerelease on Warp are among the worst). And the only disc I have in 100% recyclable packaging (the King Biscuit Time album) has already started accumulating scratches from the rough material the disc tray is made of.

telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess there's that, too: One scratch can ruin a CD, whereas a folded page doesn't ruin a book, and a few pops don't ruin an LP. But I haven't had a CD be too scratched to play in years -- I thought newer CD players could handle just about everything.

Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/staff_top_10/top-10-things-i-hate-about-cds.htm

I quite like jewel cases, actually. I like the fact that they can die and you can get new ones. A new jewel case kind of resurrects the music within it, a nice clear "lid" with no scratches helps you see the cover better, makes you more likely to want to play it. Makes me more likely anyway. As long as the paper sleeve and the CD itself stay in good condition, you can replace jewel cases indefinitely, making an album immortal. I like that.

Also, they stack and shelve well.

Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ugh, no to card sleeves. Nearly every CD I have that came in a card sleeve has had to be replaced at some point

how has your vinyl coped? assuming you have some.


you can replace jewel cases indefinitely

IT'S A SCAM to get your precious quids.


Although I need to buy a load of new plain record sleeves for many of my drowned-but-resuscitated old 12"s.

sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

If you take a CD with a broken jewel case into Virgin they used to give you a fresh case for free.

Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

A cereal box has more aesthetic value than a jewel case.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Should we encase all our possessions in hard plastic?

Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

A cereal box has more aesthetic value than a jewel case.

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Monty Von Bygone (Monty Von Bygone), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm trying to think of other consumer goods where you acquire large numbers of them and they're all packaged in these identical shells that aren't ultimately connected to the object itself.

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Confounded (Confounded), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Should we encase all our possessions in hard plastic?

http://www.hsus.org/web-files/home/281x144_cat_carrier.jpg

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the clear jewelcases, if you have to have one, they can be pretty, like a little lucite box holding artwork. jewel cases with the black plastic are ugly though. Unfortunately, the clear/colored plastic ones' spiders break more easily.

dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Love the pics...

Dan't comment brings up another question. After 20+ years doesn't it seem like the problem of broken spiders might have been solved?

Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I've seen other cases that have better spiders, made stronger, but never on regular jewel cases. That was always my main problem with digipacks...you can't replace the tray when the spider breaks, though I think as I just said, some digipack style cases are using a better design now, but not so with the jewel cases.

I just really like designing artwork for the clear jewel cases. Please see all of the Acute CDs for examples of trying to make sure the back of the booklet, the front of the traycard and the CD itself make for something nice when you open the CD case itself.

dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i found it a bit of a nightmare doing proper CD artwork but more experience would sort this out. would prefer doing art and layout for gatefold vinyl tho (but then who wouldn't?)

sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I've done enough (all the acute releases, danny wang and metro area) as well as helping the production on a few friend's labels to be pretty quick at it. I've done it enough to know that certain Ross Ellis templates are wrong! What are you gonna do?

dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

actually it wasn't so bad but if you look at Super Jewel cases they have these 'wing' bits which fold back and it can look really ugly if you actually bother to inspect. my copy of the last Goldfrapp album an example here. no big deal tho i guess.

sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

how has your vinyl coped? assuming you have some.

I haven't been buying vinyl for as long as CD's (just the last four or so years), but I haven't had any problems- vinyl seems to be much more resilient (so long as it's kept clean) and the paper inner sleeves are adequate protection.

telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, what exactly is a "super" jewel case? Please tell me it's not the horrible round-edged things that some Dualdiscs come in:

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Is it like the case the special edition of the last Depeche Mode album comes in?

telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm assuming it's the thing the CAN remasters and Blackboard Jungle Dub are in, also some DVD singles over the last few years, with the rounded corners and the top&bottom strips? Same dimensions as a standard jewel case, and doesn't appear to do anything much better than the standard does either?

Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm always surprised by how some people view the jewel case as a part of the album they've purchased, whereas other people seem to view the jewel case as packaging in and of itself -- you know, people who keep big CD wallets and just yank the disc and the booklet to slip in there. (I remember asking someone about trashing the jewel case with the back insert still in -- "don't you want that?" -- and he seemed to view it as totally external, like some sort of advertising panel that was just there to show you what you were purchasing. Like the CD version of the nutritional facts on boxed foods.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

(Which obviously I still can't fathom, cause most CDs don't have the tracklisting in the booklet, and especially not in any kind of organized back-cover form -- even with good luck, you'll have to flip from page to page of a lyric sheet to see which number any given track is. The back tracklisting is totally not redundant and disposable, except insofar as the internet makes 90% of the information in your house redundant and disposable [probably including the audio on the CD in the first place].)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i pull out my CDs and inserts, fold the inserts along the edges and stick the whole package into a floppy plastic 5x5 sleeve. those go alphabetically into footlong wooden ikea drawers.

i like it, it turns my CDs into tiny LPs.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

needless to say, i have thrown away 1000s and 1000s of jewel cases over the years.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i wish they made wallets that accomodated those back inserts, because then I really would get rid of the cases

akm (akmonday), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

*shudder*

I would not consider myself especially materialistic... but that kind of behaviour is beyond the pale. Cheap CD wallets also tend to scratch the discs!

"super" jewel cases UGH. I don't know why they look so wrong to me, I didn't like the roundy edged cassette versions either when they started coming in (which dates me!). If they are rolling those out for everything... I'll to switch to mpfucking3 for life.

I like the idea of vahid's system, but I haven't looked into what's out there as far as nice sleeves that separate all the materials and don't leave your fingernails catching on all the bits & pieces whilst fiddling to get the disc out.

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost in nabisco's direction that first bit)

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

they have got a lot better re: nubbins though haven't they!

Kind of amazed they stayed 85% sucky for SO long though.

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Are scratched CDs & skipping really such a problem? I lay mine down all over the place, sometimes throw a CD naked in the glove compartment for a couple weeks, and I can't think of one I own that skips. I'm sure they're scratched (sometimes to the point where I can't sell them) but they play fine.

Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate back covers that don't have track numbers, especially if the names are arranged in some artsy format that makes them hard to count.

JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm assuming it's the thing the CAN remasters and Blackboard Jungle Dub are in, also some DVD singles over the last few years, with the rounded corners and the top&bottom strips? Same dimensions as a standard jewel case, and doesn't appear to do anything much better than the standard does either?

I'm assuming you're in the UK? All the Can remasters I've bought (Mute US versions) have been in standard jewel cases...

telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Er, never mind, a quick GIS sorted me out.

I hate back covers that don't have track numbers, especially if the names are arranged in some artsy format that makes them hard to count.

Oh yes. FSOL, Dead Cities, WHY GOD WHY

telephonething (telephonething), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I take good care of my CDs :(

Other peoples houses sometimes scare me.

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I love people who say they love music and yet treat their CDs like shit and listen to everything through shitty computer speakers.

If you love films you get, at the least, a widescreen TV, right?

Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

vahid: can you recommend your brands for those sleeves? the drawers too, i guess. i like your idea; i've been looking for a way to get my store-bought stuff and cdrs into one big thing.

urghonomic (gcannon), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

If you love films you get, at the least, a widescreen TV, right?

lol

JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Jewel cases seem like an ideal solution to the CD storage/presentation question. I wish they weren't so prone to breakage, but that's my only quibble.

Pretty much every other CD packaging format sucks. Digipacks? Paper sleeves? Garbage.

adam beales (pye poudre), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

If you love films you... spend all your money on films and download the rest? TV out to CRT BIG TELLY/Big LCD Monitor?

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i pull out my CDs and inserts, fold the inserts along the edges and stick the whole package into a floppy plastic 5x5 sleeve. those go alphabetically into footlong wooden ikea drawers.

This seems to be what most radio stations do, and yeah, it's wonderfully LP-like -- you just have to be sure you keep them alphabetical so you can find everything. They do make nice little fold-over sleeves specifically for this purpose, with room for the front and back inserts, and a soft cloth-like part for the disc to rest against.

I love people who say they love music and yet treat their CDs like shit

Hahaha I love Popeye's fried chicken, but I don't worry too much about ripping the box when I open it!

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish they weren't so prone to breakage, but that's my only quibble.

esp i they're modified or colored and irreplaceable

jw (ex machina), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Though I will say that the new information age has made me way more careless about CD protection, cuz, well, (a) most anything that gets irreparably scratched can be replaced in seconds, plus (b) there's so much music to deal with anyway that I might not even miss the thing to begin with. I mean, I'm already to the point where if I'm sitting at my computer feeling particularly lazy, and I feel like listening to something that's in the CD rack ten feet behind me, I might just decide it's less bother to download it than to actually get up and find it.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking to the suggestion that we might meditate on the jewel case, one of the things I like about it as an object is how it disempowers the CD as fetish object.

LPs are all about object fetish. They're special. Beautiful. Delicate. Even rare. From their inception, they've been marketed to "sophisticated" audiophiles as important collector's items requiring special care. Every aspect of the LP can be lovingly fetishized, down to the sexy shrink-wrap sheath that encases it, fetchingly adorned with price tags and other romantic stickerings.

CDs, like cassettes before them, deny this will-to-fetish. Although jewel cases are no longer all basic black, most of them still seem disposable - unrelated to the "real" object they contain. We're forced to remove nasty security stickers as we open them, and as we open them, they often break. We can replace them at the drop of a hat with something identical, or even better. All this invites us to view the package as a mere obstruction to the meaningful object-content within. But the object-content, when removed from the jewel case, doesn't hang together as the beloved. It's just a tiny, shiny disc with a few flimsy inserts. Thus the disposability of the standard jewel case draws a very clear demarcation between the secondary physical content and the real content, which is reduced to the music itself.

adam beales (pye poudre), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

That's what I'm talking about.

Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone knows the slick way to get those security stickers off, right? (Just unhinge the cover at the bottom?)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually one piece of jewel-case physicality I love and miss is the way we stripped the plastic off of new CDs at the first store I worked in: the counter had a durable square edge, and a hard, quick sweep of the case top against it would peel things in seconds. It was one of those slick, smooth, efficient maneuvers that leave you feeling like the Fonz for a second afterward.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

What's really weird about the jewel case's dismissal of the music package as fetish object is that it occurs simulaneously with digital recording's devaluation of the music itself.

The jewel case is a triumph of Ikea aesthetics: it's functional, cheap, short-lived, quietly attractive in a modernist sense, and ultimately disposable. It argues that things derive the quality of niceness primarily from functionality, and to some extent from newness and uniformity.

At the same time, the music that CDs deliver has been almost entirely devalued by file sharing and easy ripping/burning. We no longer need CDs. We can get the music anywhere. And we can carry thousands of records around in our pockets.

So, what's left? The package is cheap junk, and the music can be had without even bothering to buy a CD in the first place. There's no there there anymore. No wonder sales are down...

adam beales (pye poudre), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i wish they made wallets that accomodated those back inserts, because then I really would get rid of the cases

This guy has got it covered.

Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

$0.44 each -- yikes!

Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but Dennis Chambers uses them!

Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Although perhaps he gets an artist discount.

Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I always make sure the tracklist is in the booklet for those who throw away the traycards. If I really cared though I'd put the tracklist on the back on the booklet, but when I'm designing the whole package, it seems redundant.

I also don't really agree with the non-fetish idea regarding CDs...some jewelcases are so well designed that they are part of the art for me, and more often, non-jewel cases, like IPR or Fireproof press or whatever various types of envelopes I've gotten CDs in with bits glued to them here and there, totally fetish art objects.

But whatever, I buy CDs, rip them to my computer and never look at them again. Within a few years, EVERYONE will just be downloading music, legally or not, and CDs will be history.

dan selzer (dan selzer), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking to the suggestion that we might meditate on the jewel case, one of the things I like about it as an object is how it disempowers the CD as fetish object.
LPs are all about object fetish. They're special. Beautiful. Delicate. Even rare. From their inception, they've been marketed to "sophisticated" audiophiles as important collector's items requiring special care. Every aspect of the LP can be lovingly fetishized, down to the sexy shrink-wrap sheath that encases it, fetchingly adorned with price tags and other romantic stickerings.

LPs didn't use to be fetishized. The fact that they seem to be now is because of their CD-induced rarity. CDs were fetishized in the early days, I mean the case is called a jewel case ferchrissakes. It's not a jewel, it's just another copy of some music!

One good thing about the jewel case that no one's mentioned yet is that on a shelf you can read the title without having to take the disk out, which isn't always so easy on a digipak and impossible on a simple sleeve. My only problem with them is the brittle plastic they use.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha Dennis Chambers awesome

JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Best jewel case fetish touch ever, which I hope never breaks. Seen from the front of the CD cover:

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And if you remove the booklet from the jewel case:

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Mark (Mark R), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

LPs didn't use to be fetishized. The fact that they seem to be now is because of their CD-induced rarity.

OTM. I came of musical age in the tape "era" if there was such a thing, and, even though I did go through a jazz phase around age 12 which more or less convinced me of the sonic differences, vinyl got cemented in my mind as "that dusty thing they hardly sell anywhere that I can only play on the living room player with my parents a room away who keep telling me to turn it down -- not in my room, not in the car, not at the beach or a picnic". This quaint anti-utility seems to engender a fetishism in some that I'm pretty immune to. With tapes as my norm, cds struck me as a slicker whiz-bang! variation on the theme with greater sound that I was used to and I've carried that impression since, and hence I'll probably be loyal to the format beyond all common sense(like I was with tapes if you can believe that--stopped buying for good c. '95).

tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

my copy of endtroducing came in a mini cardboard sleeve, but it also had a bit of soft cloth-y material as an inner sleeve, much more like 'proper' shrunken record packaging. always thought that was a nice alternative but it's the only CD I've seen done like that.

haitch (not haitch) (haitch), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

vinyl got cemented in my mind as "that dusty thing they hardly sell anywhere that I can only play on the living room player with my parents a room away who keep telling me to turn it down -- not in my room, not in the car, not at the beach or a picnic".

Dude, you shoulda sprung for a cassette deck to go with the record player. It would've been a whole different world for you. All those beautiful records on cassette! Take 'em anywhere! Best of both worlds etc!

Confession: I was record collector scum in the pre-CD era.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Shellac were the first band I knew to do the protective cloth disc-sock in a paper sleeve thing, for At Action Park. Can't say they invented it, but it is kinda nice.

adam beales (pye poudre), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't get the hate for Super Jewel cases. they break less easily because of the more robust gate hinges. Also the rounded corners feel much nicer than the sharp corners of standard jewel cases. Sure it's still shitty plastic nonsense but it's a definite improvement design-wise.

sede vacante (blueski), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

they just look horrid.

aesthetically to me, rounded edges = desperate to be a bit "modern", square edges = neutral & ignorable.

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

the only thing that realy irks me about jewel cases is that the spokes on the little nipple thingies in the center of the tray break so easily

latebloomer: glutton for PUNishment (clonefeed), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link

discussed above, they're called "spiders", which is why you can see one eating a fly in the center of the traycard for Einsterzende Neubauten's Tabula Rasa.

dan selzer (dan selzer), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

adam, I don't understand what you mean by digital music "devaluing" the music itself.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I meant that as long as music was trapped in waxy grooves and on magnetic tape, in a world where it could only be transmitted over radio waves, subject to the depradations of distances, solar flares and mountain ranges, then the sound had a certain intrinsic value. In that world, there could only ever be so many copies of any given record, and the older they were, the scarcer they got. The little magnetic people fell off the tape after a while. Ask William Basinski. Records from the Balkan Lowlands or Northern China simply stayed there, crumbling to bits in the back of someone's goat closet, forever untouted by friendly bloggers. In the pre-digital world, masters parented shabby, muffled dupes, and they died in the process. The sound was always being lost, fading away, leaving us. And in that withdrawl, it accumulated value.

In the new world, however, the sound has no intrinsic value. The new world is profoundly democratic and fair. Any sound can be endlessly duplicated with no loss of quality. Almost any file can be destroyed without threatening the life of the sound it contains. And almost anything from anywhere can be heard at any time by anyone. If everyone had a personal gnome that could poop out diamonds on command, how much would diamonds be worth? How much are letters or numbers worth?

Music may be valuable to us, personally, in the moment that we interact with it, but it can never be lost, and time will never wear it smooth. We can have the sound or not, as the moment suits us, and rest secure in the fact that the sound will be there for us, tomorrow or 20 years from now. The sound is now like air. And it isn't worth a thing.

adam beales (pye poudre), Thursday, 21 December 2006 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I think there's a way in which we're coming to the end of a relatively brief period (barely a century, I guess) where recorded music commiditized and given a value that it didn't necessarily have before (before, I would suppose, there were literal objects that we could fetishize as commidities; it's quite difficult to assign value to sound, though people try).

I mean, it sounds like you're a little peeved that music has lost that value, but my guess would be that music-as-commidty is a fairly recent invention, and the move to easily-shared/copied digital music is like reverting to a time when you just needed a piano and some sheet music (and someone who played piano or lute or whatever) to share/copy a given piece of music. Obviously, music had a value insofar as a person would pay a given amount to go to the symphony or an opera, but we still have live performances. To a large extent, people are growing up (myself, at 21, included) in an era where free music is taken for granted--like music is a right thate every person is owed instead of a saleable object that any person can own--and the music industry will have to adapt.

max (maxreax), Thursday, 21 December 2006 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link

"The sound is now like air. And it isn't worth a thing."

And without air, we die. Many of us breathe in music like air every day, and while we wouldn't die without it, quality of life would certainly feel like it's taken a dive.

I like Max's idea that music is returning to a natural state -- like we're recovering from the blip in history -- the 20th century, when the flow of music was controlled by businessmen and the media -- labels, merchants, radio, television. Only the wealthy and obsessives had full access to all the music they could desire. Now that we're free of that tyranny, everyone can have that privilege, and music will survive and evolve, and continue to make a living by performing.

Funny that this thread is about plastic cases. I just returned from Arizona, visiting my mother. She had a few of my old albums -- Queen, J. Geils Band. One thing that bugged me was the sleeves would always split open on the sides, so I had to repair all three sides with scotch tape, which is now brittle and yellowed. No matter how new or clean the records were, they sounded like crap on the cheap record player and worn-out needle we couldn't afford to replace when I was growing up. The double cassette deck boombox I bought at 15 was a revelation -- the slight hiss was way preferable to the pops and clicks, and I was able to make mix tapes from radio, tapes and records, and expand my collection at a fraction of the cost. When I got my college radio show, I'd stay up half the night in the studio taping albums, filling the hungry void with the music I craved growing up but had no access to. Tapes were awesome. CDs were pricey but sounded brilliant even through my box. I reserved those purchases for special, classic albums. My first three I ever bought were Joy Division - Substance, The Pixies - Surfer Rosa, and Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation (the day it was released). CDs are still far more reliable storage than hard drives, 100% of which will fail eventually, and they look pretty on my hand built shelves. To hell with vinyl fetishists, CDs and their tacky jewel cases kick ass.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 21 December 2006 07:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"I mean, it sounds like you're a little peeved that music has lost that value, but my guess would be that music-as-commidty is a fairly recent invention..."
- Max

I'm not at all troubled by the fact that music is losing its commidity/scarcity value, and I agree that the large-scale commodification of sounds is primarily a 20th century phenomenon. The devaluation of intellectual property in the digital age is simply an artifact of progress - neither intrinsically good nor bad. And when it comes to issues such as this, I tend to side with the futurists by default. That said, I'm not immune to the charms of nostalgia. I have a rather mawkish fondness for the sense of loss, which perhaps translates as peevishness.

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Fastnbulbous: OTM. Even as a vinyl fetishist, OTM.

adam beales (pye poudre), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.artvinyl.com

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

As objects I think vinyl is appealing. After my turntable died I still bought some used jazz records for cheap just to stick the covers on the wall. I tease vinyl fetishist friends but I still respect their love of the format as long as they don't make ridiculous assertions that it's the only medium for true music lovers.

But I do think there are some class issues embedded in those old debates of vinyl vs. digital. I didn't meet a single person until I got to college who had the resources to afford a stereo that cost more than a hundred bucks and a collection of more than a hundred albums. The closest I found was a couple crates of records a friend's older brother brought home from college - goldmine! I totally invited myself over to sit in the basement and fill a couple dozen tapes, heh.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 21 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

CDs should come packaged in those oversized boxes porn VHS tapes used to come in.

Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 21 December 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

But I do think there are some class issues embedded in those old debates of vinyl vs. digital. I didn't meet a single person until I got to college who had the resources to afford a stereo that cost more than a hundred bucks and a collection of more than a hundred albums.

When CDs were first introduced they cost significantly more than LPs, and the players cost more than a turntable as well. It was the CD users that were the upper crust, nose in the air types, not the grubby vinyl masses. It's only the dominance of the CD medium that has driven LP prices up and made them symbolic of elitism.

I'm not a vinyl snob by any means; I can't imagine ever buying new vinyl now, and I only buy used if it's really cheap and it's something I don't really yearn for (last purchase was 2 Mick Ronson LPs for $1-2 each a year ago). I still have hundreds of LPs from my youth so I have a turntable ($20 at a thrift store, but with a new cartridge) front and center on my stereo.

Also, I think a lot of the vinyl snobbery comes from the horrendous CD mastering done on many disks in the early years (Kind Of Blue, I'm looking at you!)

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 21 December 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

It's only the dominance of the CD medium that has driven LP prices up and made them symbolic of elitism.

I think there was an era where both (combined with cost of players and lack of car players) were neglected by the masses for tapes. Like 1988-1992?

jw (ex machina), Thursday, 21 December 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

aka the Cassingle Era...

dan selzer (dan selzer), Thursday, 21 December 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

aka the barely any good new music at all era

sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I own(ed) the following cassingles:

Nomad-I Wanna Give You Devotion
Arrested Developement-Tennessee
808 State-Cubik
Enigma-Sadeness Pt. whatever

I'm sure there were others. They came in those shitty cardboard tube sleeves...who's fetishizing those?

dan selzer (dan selzer), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought a couple of cassingles by Metallica because they had cover versions on the B-sides that were otherwise unavailable (that is, until that Garage Inc. 2CD set came out a few years back).

Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link

True, though CDs debuted in 1982, they didn't really take off until around 1987. I bought my first in 1988, when used ones were starting to appear at Cheapos in Mpls for $8 to $9. It seems that mastering engineers didn't really get the hang of digital technology until after 1992, which is about when I stopped buying tapes.

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 21 December 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I think there was an era where both (combined with cost of players and lack of car players) were neglected by the masses for tapes. Like 1988-1992?

Yeah, that sounds about right. CDs and players were still too expensive for most, and the portability of tape was a big factor. I couldn't see why anyone would buy a pre-recorded cassette, though, because the sound was so bad. For close to the same money you could buy the LP and a blank tape and make a much better copy.

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 21 December 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

jewel case vs Jewel's box

http://www.all-pictures-photos.com/images/jewel-kilcher/jewel-kilcher-007-img.jpg

bill sackter (bill sackter), Friday, 22 December 2006 05:47 (seventeen years ago) link

They came in those shitty cardboard tube sleeves...who's fetishizing those?

ha ha, looking back these were pretty smart. you already had enough plastic housing the tape. i ended up keeping half my tapes out of their covers and in shoeboxes anyway, mixed with loads of TDK blanks for radio and/or vinyl recording. didn't have a CD player until '94.

sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah I think cd packaging should have gone the way of the cassingle sleeve(which hews closer to trad vinyl packaging), less wasteful and more space-conscious. It's not like the vast majority of releases have the need for the gatefold(and gatefold plastic being standard for tapes was just stupid). They would have needed something more gentle than cardboard obv., and the spine could be squared off to allow for better display, the only reason left has to be the retailer paranoia about small packaging=theft.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 22 December 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link


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