Axl says: "Chinese Democracy" comes in March

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Thursday, December 14th 2006

An open letter to our fans:

Guns N’ Roses regrets to announce that the following concert tour dates have been cancelled:

January 10th Sacramento
January 11th Bakersfield
January 13th Reno
January 16th San Diego

Due to the schedule of these particular shows valuable time needed by the band and record company for the proper setup and release of the album Chinese Democracy would be lost. Rather than delay the album yet again all involved have decided to remove these shows from GNR’s schedule. We sincerely hope our fans understand and we apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused anyone. Tickets may be refunded at local point of purchase.

To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement. Overcoming the endless and seemingly insanity of the obstacles faced by all involved, not withstanding the emotional challenges endured by everyone: the fans, the band, our road crew and business team has at many times seemed for all like a bad dream where one wakes up only to find they are still in the nightmare and unfortunately this time it has been played out for over a decade in real life.

The true ongoing behind-the-scenes triumphs and casualties are much more complicated than any negative speculation that media or otherwise has managed to hit upon. For much of the time some form or another of legalities have been taking place that really the best way to deal with publicly was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome and especially one that wouldn’t jeopardize the band or the album. One can easily point to how others have done things or how they themselves feel that they would were they in the same situations but without full knowledge of the various dynamics and circumstances involved, again these types of comments or commentary are uninformed, outside, generally useless and often hindering speculation.

When I agreed to do our recent North American tour I agreed with the understanding that I and my manager Merck Mercuriadis were in full agreement as to our strategy, touring plans and most importantly that any and all things needed to release the album at the latest by Dec. 26th were to be in place. Unfortunately this turned out not to be the case and not only do I regret to say that again the album will not be released by the end of the year but that though many things went extremely well and were very exciting there were in our opinion unnecessary and avoidable complications on our tour having to do with the tour routing, scheduling and album and video plans that played hell on all involved especially our crew. This was compounded by an overall sense of a lack of respect by management for the band and crew and each individual’s particular expertise that has resulted unfortunately in the end of both Guns and my relationship in having a management or sense of band involvement with Merck Mercuriadis.

In regard to a release date for the album itself certain minor and by that I do mean minor things and or additions as well as contract negotiations need to be completed and barring any unforeseen complications these things have now been adequately scheduled. Both the band and I along with our record company feel that this record deserves the proper setup and promotion not the “13 Tuesdays left” and “it may just appear in your record store” approach offered by management. We believe this strategy may have been used in order for management to sell this latest tour to the various promoters. We feel that if this was so, this was obviously unfair to them. The stress of dealing with this situation has been considerable for everyone as well as to the band themselves as a whole but that this was more importantly in our opinion something utterly insane to do to our fans. Our apologies and please know we have been laboring over this with management for the entire North American tour.

It takes approximately 8 weeks for an album to hit the shelves once it has been turned in to the record company. For whatever reasons it appears it may have been mistakenly inferred by management that this could be condensed to three. That being said this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6th. This is the first time we have done this publicly for this album. Any and all other dates have been made up by others for their own reasons. We would like to assure the fans that though tentative everything in our power will be done to meet this date. Once it is finalized and official you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons you will also be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.

In the end it’s just an album and one that I, the band, our record company and all involved believe and feel is a true Guns N’ Roses album. Ultimately the public will decide and regardless of the outcome our hearts, lives and our passion has been put into this project every step of the way. If for no other reason we feel those elements alone merit your consideration. We do hope you can hold on just a bit longer and if not we hope you would please feel free to take a break and we’ll be more than glad (if you so choose) to see you again later.

Once again, our sincere apologies and our deepest thanks, Guns N’ Roses would also like to thank all the fans who attended the 70 concerts in 21 different countries for their support in 2006. All the best to each and every one of you over this holiday season, thank-you and God bless.

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

― A Radio Picture (Factory Sample Not For Sale), Friday, 15 December 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

March 6th, 20??

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 15 December 2006 07:59 (seventeen years ago) link

March 6th, 30??

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 08:02 (seventeen years ago) link

MARCH 6TH, 40??

― max (maxreax), Friday, 15 December 2006 08:15 (seventeen years ago) link

March 6th, 50?

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 15 December 2006 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link

So, hmm... let's say it actually does come out in 2007. That makes it 20 YEARS between Appetite For Destruction and Chinese Democracy.

― Johnny Fever (johnnyfever), Friday, 15 December 2006 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I hear they had a few in between.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

16 years: Use Your Illusion, 1991.

After that, it's only been covers (The Spaghetti Incident), Live album, Greatest Hits.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 15 December 2006 08:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm just saying that's it amazing how Axl has managed to remain in the public eye for 20 years and has a smaller back catalog of music than, say, Clay Aiken.

― Johnny Fever (johnnyfever), Friday, 15 December 2006 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Clay Aiken still around? I think I've managed to never hear him.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Better yet, Tupac has released more records since he died than Axl has in his whole career. Bested by a dead man!

― Johnny Fever (johnnyfever), Friday, 15 December 2006 10:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm still forlornly clinging on to the hope that this album will ABSOLUTELY FUCKING ROCK :/

― grimly fiendish (simon), Friday, 15 December 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't stand believing that the whole statement is bullshit, but it probably is - they did all the shows they could stand to do, got the money they were hoping to get, and may even be able to repeat the trick in February now

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Friday, 15 December 2006 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Nathalie says: Who gives a shit?

― nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 15 December 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Too lowbrow for you now you've got glasses? ;-)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 15 December 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Nathalie says: Who gives a shit?

yeah I don't know - I do, like, a lot, even though I didn't really like GnR very much (a handful of truly great rock singles for sure, a headline-dependable exciting pop act of their time, but that's it in my opinion). I think it's the number of narratives jostling for primacy: there's the story Axl wants to tell ("it's been a long journey and I can't even begin to describe it"), and the story the labels/handlers tell (which varies, but relies on a sort of more magical translation of the one Axl tells), and somewhere there's the actual story, which is probably that there is no album, and is a very sad story (unless one wants to argue that no story is all that sad if the hero is a multi-millionaire & kind of a dick besides, which, ok fair enough, but I don't really agree) involving people sort of losing the plot in dozens of different ways while trying gamely & kinda pathetically to pretend that they haven't actually lost the plot at all: that there are obstacles, obscure reasons, inconceivable narrative trajectories. There's something uniquely lost about the whole thing.

I dunno the whole thing is kind of a nice blank slate on which to project stories, that's sorta the point.

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Friday, 15 December 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I enjoy thinking about The Day the Clown Cried for similar reasons

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Friday, 15 December 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

So who the fuck is even in the "band" nowadays anyway? I was looking forward to Chinese Democracy as a Big Budget Buckethead + Friends Show, but he quit, like, LAST year, right?

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

the GNR wikipedia page has a really detailed and fascinating history of the band's lineups:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns%27N%27Roses

there have been 10 different lineups of the band since 1994!!!!

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Currently, according to that page:

Members:
Axl Rose
Dizzy Reed
Robin Finck
Tommy Stinson
Chris Pitman
Bryan "Brain" Mantia
Richard Fortus
Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal
Frank Ferrer

(three guitarists, one bass, two drummers?, two keyboard players?, one diva)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Hasn't Stinson served with G'n'R longer than he did with the Placemats at this point?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Stinson's been w/ Guns since '98, and the Replacements were together for about 12 years, so no.

it's pretty amazing that Dizzy has hung in there since, like 1990. if and when Axl finally kicks him out, I hope he writes a tell-all.

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

hahahah this long and it's THESE FOUR SHOWS that would've "delayed" the record....

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 15 December 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Where did these "show cancelled due to disappointing ticket sales" rumors come from then? Anyway, it doesn't matter, the most important thing is that we know the truth now.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

chris pitman?! he's one of the genii behind lusk's amazing 'free mars', what's he doing in G&R?

i already know the answer to that question, sadly. see also: andy bell

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Pitman :

"He compliments keyboardist Dizzy Reed on the more complex material that Guns N' Roses play."

LOL

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

(and I don't mean the typo)

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

the typo makes it even funnier, though!

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Whereas Slash-era Guns N' Roses songs would typically feature a guitar solo during an instrumental break, Chris Pitman has added a spoken word montage, featuring famous quotes about tolerance and understanding from (among others) slain civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr, and Morgan Freeman's character in the film Se7en.

DO NOT WANT

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Friday, 15 December 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG EVEN BETTER: "Chris is known for his super funky techno beats"

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Friday, 15 December 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 15 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

primal scream did luther king way back in '91 with 'come together', talk about 'unique'... :-(

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Friday, 15 December 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

they are playing Oakland tonight. I wouldnt' be surprised if this album does come out this year though; from that big long article (now I can't remember where it is) it sounds as though there really is a record, it's just been remixed and re-recorded so many times. there's no reason someone can't cobble something together.

― akm (akmonday), Friday, 15 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

although, I am confused, because that statement seems to indicate they broke up... are they NOT playing oakland tonight?

― akm (akmonday), Friday, 15 December 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

My only hope is that Chris Pitman takes MLK & Morgan Freeman and splices them for a Daft Punk-stylee synth-guitar-vocoder solo

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

My World II

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 15 December 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno the whole thing is kind of a nice blank slate on which to project stories, that's sorta the point.

-- Jaufre Rudel (straightu...), December 15th, 2006.

I'm waiting on the inevitable Greil Marcus book.

― u got yr hoo in my steen! (hoosteen), Saturday, 16 December 2006 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

"and somewhere there's the actual story, which is probably that there is no album,"

This is highly, highly unlikely. Producers have been quoted as saying that there was an album full of material as early as '99, but that Axl has been obsessively tweaking those seemingly finished songs since. Other people who've heard the music (and have no stake in GNR), such as Moby, have said that there are up to 80 songs that are close to being finished.

This idea that there isn't an album at all isn't really supported by anything, least of all the superb leaked material we got early in 2006.

― Matt Armstrong (gensu3k1), Saturday, 16 December 2006 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Goddammit. I saw one of the warmup shows in SF a couple of months ago,
and based on that bought tickets for the January show. [cue laughter]. I should have fucking known it. I need a 12-step program to get off GNR for good. Fucking Axl. Jesus Christ.

― Sharon Penny (VegemiteGrrrl), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:23 (seventeen years ago) link

actually releasing a record seems like such a cop-out at this point.

― tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 16 December 2006 06:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that Chris Pit(t)man wrote that Wikipedia article himself.

― Hans Muber (Hans Muber), Saturday, 16 December 2006 08:37 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.eatmysilkworms.tk

The #1 source for info on Chris Pit(t)man, and his super funky techno beats!

― Matt Armstrong (gensu3k1), Saturday, 16 December 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

that essay on 'silkworms' is an absolute hoot! quite similar to a spoof review i myself once wrote, except perhaps even more ridiculously OTT.

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

If I ever have to wait 15 seconds to be redirected to a shitty website, I'm going to fucking kill myself.

― Hans Muber (Hans Muber), Saturday, 16 December 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Just use a little Patience!

― Matt Armstrong (gensu3k1), Saturday, 16 December 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't Slash your wrists!

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 16 December 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

All this talk of suicide is making me Dizzy :-(

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 16 December 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Get out of that Pit,man

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 16 December 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The site is looking fine, just close your eyes and Use Your Illu(ok, I'll stop)

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 16 December 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

try to do one with matt sorum

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 16 December 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

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Does this still come out on March 6th?

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

it came out ten years ago!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

you missed it!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

thats very funny.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure someone has made this joke, but actual chinese democracy can have been argued to have arrived before this album
Yes, Axl Rose was making that very same joke when he came up with the album title in the first place.

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I think about this record way, way too much. argh.

― Matt Armstrong (gensu3k1), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure someone has made this joke, but actual chinese democracy can have been argued to have arrived before this album

― coz larry (bundgee), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

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― coz larry (bundgee), Thursday, 15 February 2007 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm certain somebody has made this quip, but actual chinese democracy can have been said to have come before this record

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― bliss (blass), Saturday, 17 February 2007 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Seattle Mary was making precisely that point.

― unfished business (Scourage), Saturday, 17 February 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

North Korean Democracy!

― Mark (Mark R), Saturday, 17 February 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

This thread makes me want to buy the Use Your Illusion albums, which came out when I was in high school but which I never bought because right about then the first wave of Earache titles to get U.S. distribution was also hitting, so I was busy getting into Napalm Death, Godflesh and Fudge Tunnel. I think I made the right decision at the time, but now I wanna know what I missed back then.

― pdf (unperson), Saturday, 17 February 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link

You missed the ring, motherfucker. Get in it.

― David RER (Frank Fiore), Sunday, 18 February 2007 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Just pick up Lies, and leave it at that.

― The Donger (The Donger), Sunday, 18 February 2007 04:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Taken together, there's more strong material on the UYI albums than on appetite.

― Matt Armstrong (gensu3k1), Sunday, 18 February 2007 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, depending on Amazon shipping time, I should know by Friday whether I've been missing out all these years or not.

― pdf (unperson), Sunday, 18 February 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

what's so hot about lies?

― charminator (charminator), Monday, 19 February 2007 07:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"Reckless Life", "Patience"

― Michael Joseph Savage (HYPERVIGILANTE!), Monday, 19 February 2007 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link

it's all greek to me

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 19 February 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

iraqi democracy

― charminator (charminator), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i look forward to Axl finishing this album with the Wondermints in 40 years time.

― akm (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

More like 4th generation Waronkers & Hadens. And whoever's left from the Beachwood Sparks.

― David RER (Frank Fiore), Tuesday, 20 February 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Idolator has a new track. I think it's totally and surprisingly fucking excellent, though as others are saying the bridge is kind of a drag. But it's straight pop, more or less, really nice to my ears.

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I just heard a song off this...a finished version a friend sent me...the song "Better"...this doesn't sound like any of the boots I've heard, this is clearly finished and mastered, very slick.

It's maybe cooler than i thought it would be! it's strange, that NIN influence is there, but there's this almost Prince-like falsetto party that's kinda clumsyfoot "funky"...HYPER produced, like 8 million layer on everything.

Judging by the leads, this must be one that Buckethead is on...

hmm...yeah i need to listen to this again.

i'm not sure it's "good" but it's certainly something!

― just m@tt he1g3s0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I really, really love it

from the Idolator comments it appears I'll be alone in this, but whatever - I think it's such a snapping little pop song, that rhythmic changeup at the "all that I wanted line" is such a sheer classic rock groove.

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, this is the song that was used in a Harley Davidson TV ad a few months ago that was aired like once and then shelved. I remember finding the whole song on YouTube back then, too. I agree that it's catchy and suprisingly pop, but then, I kinda liked the songs that leaked last year, too (especially "I.R.S.").

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

the first five seconds sounds like chavez.

i think this is good? maybe?

― just m@tt he1g3s0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

lolz @ "Dragonforce or Republica" comment

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I think - if the album is actually gonna happen, which I'm still real doubtful about - the strategy might be "court a new audience, since the old ones are gonna say it sucks no matter what," which is the soundest strategy in my opinion

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt this is a killer track except for that one part, embrace the Axlness

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

no wait, "I.R.S." sucked, it was "There Was A Time" that I really liked.

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i think this is good.

in a wierd way, it almost sort of fits now with some of the more pompy produced emo bands like my chemical romance

― just m@tt he1g3s0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

God Lives Underwater

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link

GLU were more than all right, dammit.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 02:07 (seventeen years ago) link

if new axl album rules and new courtney album rules all is right with world

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link

|m|

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 02:27 (seventeen years ago) link

As well, that opening seems almost tAtUine.

(& remember: nobody knows that Axl's a lesbian.)

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, it's been a long time, I've been so much on the fence over a song. OTOH, I like the over-produced digital sound, but there's a kind of 4 Non Blondes elements that creeps me out.

― baaderonixx (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

4 Non Blondes And One Platinum

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

unfortunately this tune is quite...catchy

― charminator (charminator), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

This song is great. I really, really hope the album comes out next month. Either that, or he leaks one song a year for the next 14 years.

― pdf (unperson), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Awful damn good. Wish I could say "great", but I'll leave that to folks who can process radio-pop emo crap without tongs. I can't, and I suppose that's my loss.

Vocals sound dated, but in a good way. I mean, they distinguish themselves by sounding of a bygone era, but the hair-metal overdrive stylings are a big plus on the otherwise awkward bridge. And the layered no-no-nos on the outro just fucking rule. So damn smooth.

Suppose that's Buckethead doing the Buckethead-y wheedly-wheedly crap all over the place? Could be worse. Anyway, I'm listening to it a second time through: it really is great, isn't it? In the way that Foreigner and Journey are great. Not without irony, but none the weaker for it.

― as in 'powdered feet' (pye poudre), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.gunsnroses.us

there was a time video is up. looks/sounds like a legit thing too. (or maybe just sounds, i can't tell if the video is just fan thing)

but yeah it's not quite as "interesting" as "better"...way too much guitar solos.

― just m@tt he1g3s0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Listened to it again, to wash the boring outta my head (boring courtesy NIN). Also read the smart-ish, funny-ish excoriations on Idolater, and wanted to make sure I wasn't totally outta my mind in liking it right off the bat.

Nope. I still like it. It's an ugly, tasteless, appallingly misshapen musical abortion. Fine. But it's also pretty damn catchy, and so semiotically bewildering that it gives me vertigo.

― as in 'powdered feet' (pye poudre), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Why is there still no radio single? "You Could Be Mine" was on the radio at least 3 months before UYI 1&2.

Also, I had no idea "Don't Cry" made top 10 in the US.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

these two new songs really remind me of how great faith no more was. specifically that band. is this just me?

― milton parker (milton parker), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

/were

coffee

― milton parker (milton parker), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

my friend described this the best:

"this is what people in 1991 thought music would sound like in 2007"

― just m@tt he1g3s0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Just think, after Axl dies in like 95 years, we'll finally get to hear the version of the album that sounds like the whole Fat Of The Land/Earthling/The Perfect Drug/Marilyn Manson thing that was also supposed to be the future of music. Except none of us will be alive then, so I guess we missed out.

― billstevejim (billstevejim), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

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