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GOD this Warsaw CD kills me. I think I've finally found something that will actually help me keep Substance on the shelf. And I can't believe the SOUND on this. When I was a teenager all I had were like, 17th generation cassettes of this stuff.

All the young kids who don't know Joy Division rule are going to find out pretty soon, I think. And I hope they pass it on to their own kids.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

huh?

― GAWD PVNCH (yournullfame), Sunday, 18 February 2007 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Warsaw was the name Joy Division first used. They recorded a whole album before Unknown Pleasures that wasn't released at the time but it has been bootlegged a lot. Bimble probably found an official cd or something?

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 18 February 2007 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah it was released in 2003 - it is pretty good.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 18 February 2007 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this what you're talking about? Do the songs sound very different from the versions on Substance, Still, and UP? (I know there are a few tracks I don't have.)

I love "Novelty."

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Sunday, 18 February 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, that's what I'm talking about, and the songs sound VERY different, yes, especially "Transmission" & "Novelty". There are even synths on a few tracks like "No Love Lost"...If I recall correctly, this was a time when they were actually having synths forced on them by the folks who had agreed to help them record and/or release it. It's hard to believe the band themselves didn't want synths!

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no trouble believing that but... I guess I wasn't really hoping for versions with more synths.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Sunday, 18 February 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I wasn't either, but...hell, to me it's all good.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean don't you think it's weird at all that the band who later became known for Blue Monday wanted nothing to do with synthesizers? I do.

They just hadn't met Martin Hannett yet.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Also I've just pulled out my old Joy Division book and it tells me that the first verse of Transmission was a quote from Alistair Crowley's "The Book of Thoth". That definitely takes their coolness factor up a notch I think.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"During the album's final mixdown on Friday, Anderson put some synthesizer into it. He believed that the raw sound of punk would not last much longer and he wanted Joy Division to have a more professional and advanced sound than all the other same-sounding punk bands of the time. But when the group heard the mix they were very unhappy - they disliked the synths (though less than a year later they used them on Unknown Pleasures) and, wanting only guitar and drums, asked that the album be remixed. Joy Division believed that if the album were released, it would harm their punk band repuation."

Anyway, the truth is there really is very little synths on these tracks, so I don't want to misrepresent what's actually on this Warsaw CD. It's hard not to make a big to-do out of the few synths that are there, though, particularly because as I say, this was pre-Hannett's involvement with the band.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Thought it was the opening verse of "These Days" that's the Crowley quote? Is it both of them? "Transmission" sounds pretty Curtis-ish.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Sunday, 18 February 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Good lord, dude, I don't know. I'm just telling you what the book said. Can't someone less drunk than me/someone who knows their Crowley tell us?

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, a web search seems to suggest that it is "Transmission" after all although this person says: The first verse of Transmission is from The Book Of Thoth by Alistair Crowley. Or so we're told. Having looked through the entire book I thnik it's a myth!.

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Sunday, 18 February 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

(Other sources say it was just inspired by AC. I've never read Crowley in any case.)

― sundarsubramanian (SundarS), Sunday, 18 February 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah all I know about Crowley was he was into "Magick" and he inspired a fantatsic Ozzy Osbourne song "Mr. Crowley".

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 18 February 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

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