Is there room in the sandbox for a mini-Kate Bush thread? I thought so!

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"December Will Be Magic Again" sent me into a blubbery mess last night.

I believe in the Kate.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 10 December 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

amen

― this is cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 10 December 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

ooh see how i fall (doo-doo-doo-doo)

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Sunday, 10 December 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

that song is so charming

― boo you whore (get bent), Sunday, 10 December 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-XjaMIO4INU

― boo you whore (get bent), Sunday, 10 December 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I was once inthe same TV studio as her, once. However, we were not allowed to approach the goddess.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 11 December 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

A girlfriend first played me Kate Bush in her car, around five years ago. I think it was songs from The Dreaming. She was really excited to play it. My first reaction was to dismiss it as hokey girl music. I felt bad, because I didn't think I could understand this carnival-esque music that she liked so much. Not that I didn't like hokey music at the time, but I was mostly obsessed with soul and disco. After that I only would listen to Kate whenever she would play her, but I never liked it much. Then Aerial came out, and I decided to listen to it. The album really changed me. It's odd, because there were so many elements in the music, that in any other setting, I would not listen to. But on that album it works. Now I have bought a lot of her albums on vinyl. But it's on my ipod that I have really feel in love with her music. I put all of her albums in a playlist in chronological order. I've been doing yard work for an elderly couple who live down the street, raking and putting up christmas lights, and I use the time working to listen to Kate Bush. It really is a love affair I've come to have with her music. It's only The Red Shoes that I'm not crazy about. Right now it's 'In Search of Peter Pan' that just discovered. It's strange to think how I used to feel about her music

― Jacob sanders (Jacobs), Monday, 11 December 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

worth mentioning: Kate Bush is the most-played artist on WOBC (oberlin's radio station) for the fall semester. Usually, the position is held solidly by Sonic Youth or the Pixies. Guess our DJs have finally come to their senses. That or everyone feels like crying, which is equally understandable.

― the table is the table (trees), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

It wasn't worth mentioning.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

It wasn't worth posting that it wasn't worth mentioning.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

One has to attack the disease at the root.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 11 December 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it was worth mentioning

― this is cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 December 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it wasn't worth mentioning

I could be wrong!

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 11 December 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

It's safe to assume there were no more singles taken from Aerial then?

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

what the fuck are you talking about? i'm talking zeitgeist, you're just being a prick.

― the table is the table (trees), Monday, 11 December 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

it was worth mentioning

― deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 11 December 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

The YouTube clip above made me go and pull out my VHS cassette of the Christmas special and other old video odds and ends of her. I was stunned to find a clip of her next to both her parents and them being interviewed as regards their attitude toward her making music. Anyway, the YouTube clip was of a much better audiovisual quality than my video, but it reminded me of another one I wanted to share here from the same special - her and Peter Gabriel singing Roy Harper's "Another Day" (also covered by This Mortal Coil):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f82ITNM22dM

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

What xmas special?

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

As usual, it doesn't take long to unmask the tedious troll (xpost x 4).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i've been posting to ILM and Noise Board for over a year just to disrupt conversation and bait people.

anyway, there are no other singles. though 'an architect's dream' should be one, i think.

― the table is the table (trees), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

i don't get where marcello is coming from here

― this is cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

england.

― ian (orion), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

ban marcello carlin

― friday on the porch (lfam), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

lol, lfam.

Ska punk.

― jim (jim), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

kate bush: honorary noise dude

― deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

i don't get it

xpost

― friday on the porch (lfam), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:32 (nineteen years ago)

Memes, man, memes.

― jim (jim), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

who are you, cory doctorow?

― friday on the porch (lfam), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

ducks

― friday on the porch (lfam), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Though I often enjoy reading what Marcello has to say on various musical topics, I've never understood his need to be nasty at times without any provocation whatsoever. The ultimate truth of this line should have settled it:

It wasn't worth posting that it wasn't worth mentioning.

Furthermore, my experience is most people don't even know who Kate Bush is in the U.S., so any recognition of her here at all is a welcome development in my book.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well we don't expect any refugees from the Noise Board to have anything of import to say, do we?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a kate bush fan before i'm a "refugee from the noise board" and i think it was fucking worth mentioning you bald cunt

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

so did everyone else in this thread

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

perhaps you might like to express your views in a constructive and detailed manner, rather than in a cunty way, you wouldn't get such reaction.

i marvel at how people can make assumptions about the physical appearances of people they have never actually seen.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

OMG YOU ARE THE KING OF CUNTY WAYS

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

i marvel at how people can post pictures of themselves on the internet, then themselves marvel about how people know they are bald

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

you could for example start by providing an argument as to why bush is necessarily > sonic youth/pixies. don't just sit there and mention it without thinking you're going to be challenged about it. provide concrete evidence. back up your argument. otherwise it really isn't worth mentioning. what is radio oberlin in a burning world?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

no one made a qualitative judgment on why bush is better than sonic youth of the pixies--

it was a quantitative judgment on how many plays she received by oberlin, cold hard facts

and yes, i think it was worth mentioning, she deserves more radio play than anybody, she deserves to be piped through any speaker available

you are wrong for even popping your head in here you sad little man

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to make a post in regards to all this but I just realised that I don't have any evidence or proof to back up what was going to be a quick snarky meta comment on this thread, so forget about it.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I was listening to "The Dreaming" last night on the bus and I was like "yeah". (Evidence: I said "yeah" to myself - it was an almost-empty bus.)

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

what is quantitative about "guess our DJs have finally come to their senses?"

why does she deserve more radio play than anybody?

if you don't want to be treated like a troll then don't act like one.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

What I'm trying to say is that it's a message board not a research paper. It's a throwaway comment. Obviously he has no evidence to back his comment up. Let go.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

then he shouldn't state opinions without backing them up with constructive and convincing evidence.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't make the initial post, and nor have i made a statement that one artist is better than the other

the quantitative judgement is that she was played more than anybody in the fall semester--that's what's worth mentioning. she's not entirely huge in america, and for her to receive more plays than the canonical college rock standards of sonic youth and the pixies in 2006 is an interesting fact

btw, you are the one trolling this thread

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

YOU ARE ASKING HIM TO BACK UP HIS OPINION THAT HE LIKES KATE BUSH MORE THAN SONIC YOUTH AND THE PIXIES WITH CONSTRUCTIVE AND CONVINCING EVIDENCE

REALLY? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING?

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

it was not an interesting fact, except perhaps to help pinpoint the stage when sonic youth and pixies became canonical, and irrelevant to the 99.99% of ilxors who don't listen to radio oberlin.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

But he wasn't saying "Kate Bush killed three hitchhikers back in 1981", it was a personal comment about what DJ's should be playing at a minor radio station. You're never going to get any evidence for constructive and convincing evidence because really, who cares what is playing at said minor radio station?

So yeah, it was an uninteresting comment. But I think most people reading this thread would have already thought that...therefore, the comment was a bit unnecessary.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

dear ilx:

this is the sandbox mini-kate bush thread, please post all interesting random factoids about her here

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

in other words, don't be afraid of the ritz cracker eating ogre under the bridge

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

if no one cares about what's being played by a minor radio station, why post the information to begin with?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

"You varmints back away from those keyboards, and keep yer hands where i can see them!"

http://www.leninimports.com/kate_bush_gallery_29.jpg

― scott seward (121212), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.trainsarefun.com/nycrr/july01images/derail.jpg

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is worse than the video for "Army Dreamers".

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Radio 210 were playing "Wuthering Heights" about seven months before it actually got released!

The release got cancelled/put back, so they announced it as such, stopped playing it, and restarted playing it again closer to the time.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

i care less about the fact that grout was once in a tv studio with her

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe if it was rephrased "Kate Bush was in the same TV studio with GROUTY once"...

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

i care less about you than i do about grout. deal with it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

she was not allowed to approach me!

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Calm down people!

I love you all.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

your logic is fascinating. can you leave now so we can talk about kate?

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

"Heathcliff, it's me, Cutty, I've come home..."

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

go to the watercooler thread, if you want to talk about kate.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

oh now you're just trying to be cute

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

btw that picture scott posted is maybe one of the hottest things i've ever seen

(worth mentioning)

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

kate should have been the villain in mad max 2

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Furthermore, my experience is most people don't even know who Kate Bush is in the U.S., so any recognition of her here at all is a welcome development in my book."

she isn't a superstar in the u.s. like she is in the u.k. but she's hardly unknown. a lot of her albums have at least gone gold, which adds up to millions sold over time. it's really just the lack of touring/t.v. appearances that has stopped her from being bigger. her influence/reputation has been solid for decades all due to word of mouth and COLLEGE RADIO which has been playing her from the start. so, yeah, the average person on the street, maybe they haven't heard of her, but her catalog sells consistently year in and year out. if she HAD toured and showed up on the tonight show all those years, man, she would have been annie lennox big. or sade big!

― scott seward (121212), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Well, she worked with Prince during her "wilderness yrs"

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

now, roy harper, HE'S unknown in the u.s.

― scott seward (121212), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

er, except to led zeppelin fans. but even they never went out and bought one of his records. probably.

― scott seward (121212), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

I've bought more Roy Harper records than Led Zeppelin ones!

(i.e. I have bought one RH LP)

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

everyone should buy roy harper albums. and led zeppelin albums.

― scott seward (121212), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

on the drive home last night I listened to "pi" four times in a row (worth mentioning)

two weeks ago, after making fun of a friend of mine who said she was too scared to buy 'aerial' because she was afraid it wouldn't be as good as 'the dreaming', she wrote me an e-mail thanking me for getting her to listen to it (worth mentioning)

― milton parker (milton parker), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

can we ~~list~~ s/d songs that sample kate bush?? i know utah saints, tricky, and at least a few todd edwards, all great great great (worth mentioning)

― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

milton do you have any convincing evidence to back up those statements?

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

danielle dax samples the rhythm loop from 'the dreaming' on one of the songs from jesus egg that wept but I forget which one ('hammerheads'?), time to listen to that ep again...

marcello's hilarious on this thread

― milton parker (milton parker), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

proper link: http://www.discogs.com/release/395473

― milton parker (milton parker), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Omnipulse have released theyre magnificent turd album, Carolangtons, Omnipulse, Unleash The Bitch, Omni 3: Music Just Got Louder. Having listened to it I can only conclude that it is the best album of the year. Omni3 is a masterly excercise in dance-techno rock, mixing Kate Bush samples, industrial riffs and funky beats with the most extreme hard core raps you are ever likely to hear.

― urghonomic (gcannon), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

that sounds terrible.

cutty, you basically said everything i was going to. so i won't. thanks.

back across the border to the noise board. this thread made me realize again how much i hate ILM.

― the table is the table (trees), Thursday, 14 December 2006 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

"marcello's hilarious on this thread"

otm. when grandpa comes down from the attic for a taste of figgy pudding and some nog it is often the highlight of the holiday season!

― scott seward (121212), Thursday, 14 December 2006 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

Damn I wish I had my old Danielle Dax vinyl LP's. Why is God so cruel?

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Saturday, 16 December 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

I just wanted to say that upon some thought I'm really pleased with the way this thread turned out and I'm sorry it will have to burn up in the sandbox at the end of it all, but it'll remain a pleasant memory for me overall. Thanks folks.

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

when grandpa comes down from the attic for a taste of figgy pudding and some nog it is often the highlight of the holiday season!

more of a highlight when you put grandpa to sleep--for good

― this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

danielle dax samples the rhythm loop from 'the dreaming' on one of the songs

!!!?!?!?!?!

I cannot BELIEVE I never caught that.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

Well the thing is dude, I actually have this hunch it's a song on Inky Bloaters rather than Jesus Egg That Wept. I could be wrong, but this is the way my brain remembers it. Although at the time I don't think I knew she had sampled Kate, really, I just heard the noise and recognized it.

But in any case, this thread has made me go back and get all this old Danielle Dax again, so this should be really fun. I used to love those two albums a lot in high school, haven't heard them in eons.

Okay actually the other person was right - it's a song off Jesus Egg That Wept called "Hammerheads" but it's sped up so it sounds quite different. Does she give credit to Kate on the sleeve though? Can anyone vouch for this? If so, I do not remember her doing so. How do we know she didn't sample something else that just sounded like it?

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

no credit on the sleeve. those Dax albums are awesome, there is a thread on old-ILX that we will be able to revive soon enough.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

THere's tons of samples on those old DD records, uncleared/uncredited, as it was in the early days of sampling, and the "10 yr amnesty" is well over.

The "Evil Honky Stomp" one is probably out of copyright anyway.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

i mentioned this on old-ILX but superpitcher samples "aerial" on his total 7 cut ("tonite"?).

― jo ga11ucci electrix (joseph), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

ight, Superpitcher, Soulphiction, The Field, anyone else sampled Kate Bush this year?

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

well, there's this, too:

http://www.flexx.be/item/hothandz03

― jo ga11ucci electrix (joseph), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

ooh. and not a sample as such but http://www.phonicarecords.co.uk/detail.aspx?ID=15207 too (has been mentioned before)

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I looked up the cost of Danielle Dax CDs on Amazon and nearly gave myself a heart attack. Then I looked up the Lemon Kittens ones and it was even closer.

― much_aldo_about_nothing (much_aldo_about_nothing), Thursday, 21 December 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

If they are those Japanese imports, I have those.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Thursday, 21 December 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Dax's Dark Adapted Eye is the american domestic version of Inky Bloaters + bonus tracks, and it's still very affordable

Jesus Egg That Wept is going to cost you, but it's worth it

Holly's painted photographs on the covers are the reason to buy all of these on vinyl

― milton parker (milton parker), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

youtube I love you

danielle dax - big hollow man

― milton parker (milton parker), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

and even more on topic, here's the one that samples 'the dreaming': hammerheads

― milton parker (milton parker), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

whoa hammerhands is fucking mental

― this is cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

"Experiment IV" both excited and terrified me as a kid. Classic.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ramzi to thread! :)

― Geir Hongro (geirhong), Friday, 22 December 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Did you ever watch a video for the first time, without the sound as you know the track so well you can mentally add the music yourself?

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 22 December 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://notsorted.tripod.com/DD.discog.html

Up among the Golden Spires, and The Chemical Wedding.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 22 December 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

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