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i was wrong: get physical music is really great!

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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scott seward (121212), Saturday, 9 December 2006 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

What else should I say
Everyone is gay

bliss (blass), Saturday, 9 December 2006 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The Chelonis album is pretty incredible, and I love the "narration" in the liner notes.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 9 December 2006 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

:(

Venom 18, the autistic spy (flezaffe), Saturday, 9 December 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

:)

lexpretend (lexpretend), Saturday, 9 December 2006 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel like a small part of ILM died today.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 9 December 2006 13:17 (seventeen years ago) link

:D

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Saturday, 9 December 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

What made you change your mind Vahid? or was it more of a cumulative thing?

Tim F (Tim F), Saturday, 9 December 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Buying it for $4 probably.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 9 December 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

So this is how freedom dies. To thunderous applause.

jim (jim), Saturday, 9 December 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i have never felt so alone

friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 9 December 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

lol dance music

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Saturday, 9 December 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

lol domenicos

friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 9 December 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

fiery death to boring clowns

friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 9 December 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

All right fess up now. Who stole Vahid's login?

Get PhysiWHITEST FUNK EVARcal RecSRSLYords (blunt), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What made you change your mind Vahid? or was it more of a cumulative thing?

-- Tim F (tmfin...), December 9th, 2006.

Buying it for $4 probably.

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), December 9th, 2006.

DING DING DING DING DING

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

for real, though ...

i still think "get physical vol 1" is *highly* overrated, and i pretty much can skip everything except the first 1/3rd of it and the chelonis tracks. "body language vol 1" is a little better, it has two or three nice sequences (also two or three boring sequences) but compared to something like "kreucht + fleucht" not exactly mindblowing or epochal.

what *really* turned me around (outside of the chelonis album, but even the wackest euro techno labels - hallo disko b! - could usually pull a couple good albums out of a black american, cynical but true!) was "get physical vol 2".

for a long, long time i've been saying that labels like MFF and classic were doing the "quirky minimal" thing better than most minimal labels, and how i wish the minimal labels would really put their money where their mouth was and get housey, uninhibited, un-self-conscious, etc etc ... well, "get physical vol 2" is where that's at. it does the MFF thing even better than MFF, i am thinking tracks like dj t's "stalker", endlessly itchy-glitchy with percussion and keyboards but not leaning on total formlessness, it's still got a backbeat, i can dance to it, etc.

i also really like dj t's album (drexciya copyism, but drexciya's dead, so i guess the world needs more drexciya copyism, esp when it's this accomplished)

i also really like the two booka shade albums, haven't really thought about it too much but yes, turns out they're as good as everybody said!

oddly enough, i thought "body language vol 2" wasn't super-great. but "body language vol 3" looks awesome! what did i tell you guys about the dubsided movement?

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess the booka shade albums have all the good qualities of the isolee albums (spatial, spacious, busy, interesting) without the bad qualities (tuneless, depressing, atonal)

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

"get physical vol 2" is probably my favorite minimal mix since herbert's "globus vol 5".

i dunno why it got naysayed on ILX. what's the deal? shit is KILLER.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Vahid I think we're the only two people who like "Stalker".

I'm not so into Boogie Wonderland though, the whole Chicago/acid house revival thing from the beginning of 05 hangs over it a bit too heavily.

Tim F (Tim F), Saturday, 9 December 2006 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess what it comes down to is that i'm really into the booka shade albums, the chelonis album and get physical vol 2.

"boogie wonderland" has fine parts but i agree, it's entirely redundant.\

i think the booka shade albums are tickling that melancholy-idm-electro nerve that i haven't felt any need to tickle for about five years now ... what's the last great album in that vein, jega's "geometry"? 7 hurtz's "electroleum"?

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost. i really like that aspect of it. in my mind that sort of limitation and blatant historical reverance/homage is one of the reasons it succeeds, but i'm a sucker for the kind of stuff that tightly walks the line of pastische. (arguably all of minimal _____)

body language 3 has a very nice tracklist.

josh (josh.), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(it makes me very curious to hear it i mean)

josh (josh.), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

redundant has no place in criticism of modern electronic dance music!!

josh (josh.), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

for some reason, the 1st booka shade album has me flashing back to all that old circa-95 rising high "chill out or die" / "secret life of trance" / "further self evident truths" walker + khan + air liquide stuff i've been rediscovering / tripping out over lately.

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

and yeah, maybe "redundant" is a matter of taste or degrees.

it certainly doesn't bother me that "frantic" off "memento" sounds *EXACTLY* like what james bernard or neutron 9000 or the orb were up to in the mid-90s, i just feel like mid-90s chill-out-room aesthetics are a much less played out reference point than late-80s chicago house or relief records or whatever.

interestingly, air liquide's new material (post-2004 ... check itunes if you haven't heard it) is straightforward electrohouse which would fit comfortably on any MANDY or tiefschwarz playlist!

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

tiefschwarz remixed air liquide! forget the track title...

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i like memento more than the new one. it's more cinematic or something.

"i just feel like mid-90s chill-out-room aesthetics are a much less played out reference point than late-80s chicago house or relief records or whatever."

yup, every time i hear "woman of the world" something similar comes to mind. it's kinda cynical though! i am all for 90s chill house recycling though.

josh (josh.), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Movements seriously dampened my enthusiasm for this label (good qualitieZZzzz.... ) Would Freaks - The Man Who Lived Underground an example of this "uninhibited, un-self-conscious" quality? because it seemed anything but to me, it was painfully quirky and "credible" in that timidly mediocre English way. Found used, exchanged WITH HASTE for anything else.

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess the world needs more drexciya copyism

http://www.808state.com/discogs/propages/promasso/subtracks.jpg

(not heard yet, not sure whether I can face burning my fingersoverdraft on yet more slightly underwhelming old dance legend comebacks this year...)

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Saturday, 9 December 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

no, "man who lived underground" was a sharp swerve into "concept" ... i agree w/ your comments that they are obviously and visibly trying hard to be quirky and credible but those things don't necessarily rub me the wrong way as badly as they rub you ... anyway if i was anti-quirk anti-cred then i certainly wouldn't be able to enjoy green velvet w/ a clean conscience, right?

i like, but not so much as this or this or this ESPECIALLY THIS

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

let's not forget this!

massonix?

i haven't liked ANYTHING by 808 state since "pacific state" ... i didn't even like "prebuild" very much ... what is this all about? is it drexciya-ish or something?

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't rubbed that badly, but I did want some real house I guess and it just didn't contain enough highlights for me to form any kind of attachment (but I was also promised a straight swap at the time, due to the a very doubting eye I gave it when played some in the shop... ;) )

some samples of the Massonix here - http://www.dotshop.se/ds/release.php?code=SKALD080 (it doesn't sound much cop to me frankly).

Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

wow ... that is very ... drexciya!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i guess the booka shade albums have all the good qualities of the isolee albums (spatial, spacious, busy, interesting) without the bad qualities (tuneless, depressing, atonal)

I don't know anything about vahid or his tastes, but is there some kind of hongro situation going on here?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

isolée isn't depressing to me...just kind of weird..

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think it's particularly controversial to say that isolee play with weird tonalities ... chromaticism and stuff (i'm not much of a muso so i don't want to get very specific).

i'd hardly say that's objectively "bad" but it doesn't float my boat. in fact, it makes me feel ... kind of weird ...

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

in other words, isolee is more aggressively in your face "avant" than lots of other microhouse.

again, not bad, just not to my tastes ...

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

he is quite avant but to be fair also quite accessible...

some of his remixes are well....quite straight up...maybe folks imitating him has led to this being the case...

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean aren't Ame basically Isolee minus the atonality...

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

yes! and western store isn't particularly atonal ... but if you listen to a track like "demon", it's like way out leftfield tonality, even in the context of electronic/dance music

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, i was just coming here to ask about the difference between melancholy and depressing as music descriptions in this context!

josh (josh.), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

it does seem obvious, but i was curious as to distinction. a bunch of isolee tracks are atonal and weird, but also totally uplifting and then re drexciya you could make a similar claim by switching out atonal and weird for urban and dramatic. both are scientific though. :D

josh (josh.), Sunday, 10 December 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Body Language 3 looks very housey - seems to confirm that GP have returned to house in a big way. Also I note the inclusion of "Groove La Chord" somewhat vindicates what I have been saying about the track vis a vis current euro dance.

That Cass & Mangan remix of Laid's "Believe In Me" is awesome also.

Tim F (Tim F), Sunday, 10 December 2006 02:03 (seventeen years ago) link

tiefschwarz remixed air liquide! forget the track title...

'So Much Love' (ft. Khan). i really like it

sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 10 December 2006 02:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i think that my objection to your isolee judgment, vahid, is that isolee is by no means tuneless. compared to booka shade, yes, but booka shade is pleb houzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

the table is the table (trees), Monday, 11 December 2006 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

vahid what about jona

this is cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 December 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

jona jona jona

this is cutty (mcutt), Monday, 11 December 2006 05:17 (seventeen years ago) link

haven't heard much but "yellowstone" is pretty good. reminds me of brooks, sorta.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

on the other hand i understand his other stuff is more pounding straight 4/4-type click house? that sounds better to me.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It depends. "Yellowstone" is his spongiest, "Learning from the Mistakes" is his poundier end, most everything else falls somewhere in between.

Tim F (Tim F), Monday, 11 December 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link


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