pazz & jop 2011

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let's start with some prognosticating

feels like a pretty wide open year to me, or does "rolling in the deep" run away with the singles poll? the first two that popped into my head were "niggas in paris" and "super bass" but i may be off.

is bon iver going to win the albums poll?

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:25 (nine years ago) link

i don't really have a grasp for how much ppl like the adele & lady gaga albums, or whether their high placement on shit like the rolling stone list is just kowtowing or a harbinger of them doing really well in P&J

or is 'watch the throne' just going to win?

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:27 (nine years ago) link

pj harvey's critical acclaim might be notably brit-centric but US critics seemed to place her highly too - she's in with more of a shot of winning P&J than the ILX poll i'd say

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:31 (nine years ago) link

i don't think the lady gaga album will place highly

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:32 (nine years ago) link

yeah pj harvey will do really well i think

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:33 (nine years ago) link

do people really like "rolling in the deep" that much? no trolling

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:33 (nine years ago) link

well it's one of *those* songs that people vote for isn't it. it's catchy and ubiquitous and tasteful and even if you don't love it you don't hate it. that's the kind of song that wins right?

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:37 (nine years ago) link

i think "Rolling In The Deep" COULD take the singles poll but some random blogbait album track i've barely heard of could just as easily beat it out

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:37 (nine years ago) link

yeah, probably helped by the fact that tracks don't get weighted

sorta hoping that "countdown" wins, prob not gonna happen tho

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:38 (nine years ago) link

could beyonce win albums? no, right? it's def gonna be 'watch the throne'? (or bon iver)

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:39 (nine years ago) link

beyoncé trax will be split

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:39 (nine years ago) link

with what, "love on top"?

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:40 (nine years ago) link

it's def gonna be 'watch the throne'? (or bon iver)

I fully expect one of those to win.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:41 (nine years ago) link

i don't think there's a BIG indie blogbait track this year, high placements from bon iver & m83 on the pfork list not withstanding

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:41 (nine years ago) link

the highest the beyoncé album has come in a list so far is the guardian's 4th iirc, and that was a pretty big surprise (and half those critics probably won't vote in p&j). top 10 would be a nice surprise tbh.

i don't get the impression the plaudits for WTT were album-of-the-year enthusiastic.

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:42 (nine years ago) link

i'm going to put on my prognosticator hat and predict what the highest chart pop songs on the singles poll will be, roughly in this order (with lots of indie/niche stuff in between or above them):

Rolling In The Deep
Super Bass
Look At Me Now
Pumped Up Kicks
W****s In Paris
Countdown
Till The World Ends
Edge of Glory
Otis
Motivation
Sure Thing
Someone Like You
I'm On One
We Found Love
Party Rock Anthem
Marvins Room
Lonely Boy

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:44 (nine years ago) link

"Marvins Room" possibly higher if the Jojo stans show out in full force and those votes get counted toward Drake's total

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:46 (nine years ago) link

oh wait a minute those jojo votes don't count towards drake do they???!!!!!! nooooooooooooooooooo

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:51 (nine years ago) link

and of the big blockbuster pop albums i would say they'll be spread out over the top 20 or 30 like: Adele > Beyonce > Drake > WTT > Gaga > Coldplay > Wayne

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:52 (nine years ago) link

just checked w/maura, votes for jojo's "marvin's room" will not count towards drake's "marvin's room" thanks be to god

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:55 (nine years ago) link

haha it was fun to scare you tho

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:56 (nine years ago) link

i should've floated that rumor a week before polls closed

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:56 (nine years ago) link

lol

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:00 (nine years ago) link

does "rolling in the deep" run away with the singles poll?

I predicted "Rolling in the Deep" at #1 back in, like, June, and a couple people said that they thought it was more like a #3. But honestly I can't see what might end up ahead of it at this point.

jaymc, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:01 (nine years ago) link

I VOTED
FOR
PARTY ROCK ANTHEM

^^i need a sticker

forgot about "look at me now", i'd be surprised if that did better than "i'm on one" but again my feeling for p&j voting isn't great

i guess lana del rey will be in the top 10, right?

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:02 (nine years ago) link

yeah well the year SEEMS really young and fully of possibility at the halfway mark, six months later the only hits that have peaked since june that seem like remote contenders are "super bass" and "nas in paris"

xpost - "look at me now" will def be in the top 10 and higher than "i'm on one"

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:03 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i mean corny pop always does really well, so i think "rolling in the deep" has to be the odds on favorite

last year's singles top 10 is such a disaster -- three kanye singles in the top 5

"holocene" is prob a lock for 2011's "bloodbuzz ohio" (lol) tho it might do a bit better than that

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

oh fucking duh of course, "video games" will prob be no 1

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

feel like if "runaway" AND "power" (i mean jesus) both made it into the top 5 last year, that "otis" and "nas in paris" are locks for the top 10, if not the top 5

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:06 (nine years ago) link

"we found love" is prob gonna be top 10, as well

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:06 (nine years ago) link

yeah i think "Otis" had a strong shot at the top 5 over the summer but now that there's been a more popular follow-up i think it'll get knocked down, maybe slightly out of the top 10.

but yeah last year was a disgrace (and i took so much shit for saying so!)

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:07 (nine years ago) link

i have no idea what the top ten will look like but it will be irredeemable garbage

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:08 (nine years ago) link

"we found love" becoming the most critically embraced rihanna song since "umbrella" is so nuts but probably really is happening

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:08 (nine years ago) link

xpost - "look at me now" will def be in the top 10 and higher than "i'm on one"

Eh, maybe I'm out of the loop, but I had to google "Look at Me Now." Hard for me to imagine that being ahead of anything by Lady Gaga, Rihanna, and Jay-Z/Kanye.

jaymc, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:08 (nine years ago) link

two b.o.b singles in the top 40 last year, i always forget how squarely pop the singles list can get

is there any under the radar pop that only indie fans like this year like "tightrope" or "shutterbugg"? i can't think of anything except... "212"?

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:09 (nine years ago) link

i'll also call "six foot seven foot" a darkhorse for the top 10, tho it might've fallen out of people's memory by now

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:10 (nine years ago) link

jaymc how have you not heard "look at me now," i know you're not real up on mersh radio but that's insane

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:11 (nine years ago) link

is there any under the radar pop that only indie fans like this year like "tightrope" or "shutterbugg"? i can't think of anything except... "212"?

I wouldn't exactly call it under the radar, since it's off a platinum-selling record, but "Countdown," which has been getting a lot of end-of-year attention, charted no higher than #71.

jaymc, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:14 (nine years ago) link

rolling in the deep
holocene
countdown
i'm on one
super bass
nas in paris
otis
video games
we found love
edge of glory

(not in that order)

i'm prob way off, forgetting about a destroyer song or something

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:15 (nine years ago) link

Starting in 2004 with Franz Ferdinand, I've only liked two singles winners ("Gold Digger" and "Paper Planes"); many I've really disliked. "Rolling in the Deep" will be the latest.

clemenza, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:20 (nine years ago) link

haha yes "i'm on one" will be the 2nd highest top 10 hit on the poll, sure

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:20 (nine years ago) link

i really think "Pumped Up Kicks" could be Adele's biggest competition tbh

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:21 (nine years ago) link

Just asking, but despite "Look at me Now" getting lots of radio play, will some P & joppers not pick it because Chris Brown's name is on it?

Another Suburbanite, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:23 (nine years ago) link

haha yes "i'm on one" will be the 2nd highest top 10 hit on the poll, sure

― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:20 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

i'm w/ jaymc that i think "i'm on one" will beat out "look at me now"

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:23 (nine years ago) link

jaymc how have you not heard "look at me now," i know you're not real up on mersh radio but that's insane

Listening now. Yeah, I don't recognize it. It's possible I've heard it on the radio, but it would've been WAY WAY less than "Party Rock Anthem" or "Give Me Everything" or "Super Bass" or "Moves Like Jagger" or "Last Friday Night" or "We Found Love" or "Grenade," etc. (Fwiw, I also hadn't heard "I'm on One" until it showed up on the P4k list.)

Anyway, kind of cool song, maybe it'll get some votes, although I have to think there are a lot of critics who still wouldn't vote for Chris Brown on principle.

jaymc, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:24 (nine years ago) link

"video games" didn't chart in the US at all?! did not know that

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:24 (nine years ago) link

i'm w/ jaymc that i think "i'm on one" will beat out "look at me now"

I didn't actually say that. Both are essentially question marks for me.

jaymc, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:25 (nine years ago) link

i routinely forget that ppl like new britney songs, "till the world ends" could be a top 10 contender

"teenage dream" was the one KP song that ppl were going to rally around, right?

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:26 (nine years ago) link

oh, well then i'm w/ myself

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:26 (nine years ago) link

I had Chris Brown at #2 for "Beautiful People." Not really reluctantly, as I try not to censor my tastes. Queasily would be the more accurate word.

clemenza, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:26 (nine years ago) link

smh

uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:15 (nine years ago) link

because it's so possible or because i said it??

smh mang fusion, Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:17 (nine years ago) link

only one rap album on my ballot this year, feel like i'm sellin out somehow

― uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:13 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

heh i felt that way about only having three and having drake as my top rap album

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:19 (nine years ago) link

well yeah on the latter point you are a sellout

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:20 (nine years ago) link

figured :-/

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:21 (nine years ago) link

oh lord people

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:22 (nine years ago) link

Basically why I can never identify w/the goon ethos.

jaymc, Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:24 (nine years ago) link

dudes i was kidding. i mean whiney wanted to revoke my goon status for laughing at the "party of five" grocery bag and six months later is repping for a drake album, i think everybody can handle some taunting about their love of canadian submarine rap. also i only have like 3 rap albums in my top 10 too, i think that's probably true of a lot of goon types.

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:27 (nine years ago) link

ftr i knew that al was kidding (duh)

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:29 (nine years ago) link

I was oh-lording you people putting Drake in your lists.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:31 (nine years ago) link

oh i know (to j0rdan)

oh i didn't know, that's good (to alf)

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:34 (nine years ago) link

all due respect to cats like deej or noz who have p&j ballots that are at least 90% rap like every year, not everyone can go that hard

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:39 (nine years ago) link

i think kjb said he was putting a whole bunch of rap on his ballot...?

~connecticut~ (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:44 (nine years ago) link

obviously those aren't the only 2 people, there are a decent number of dedicated rap crits voting in the poll (even if not enough)

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:45 (nine years ago) link

o right yeah

~connecticut~ (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:50 (nine years ago) link

As much as i love the drake it's no top 10 record tho

uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Thursday, 29 December 2011 22:45 (nine years ago) link

tbh this year i just listened to tons more rap than usual. i tend to try to balance a bit more w/ dance mixes & ish like that but besides Surkin (which i forgot to vote for anyway) I've been going pretty heavy on rap lately

joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Thursday, 29 December 2011 22:59 (nine years ago) link

i was gonna vote for riff raff's uncuct cocaine cypher freestyle #1 (which is prob my most listened to... thing of the year, or at least the only thing that was in my head for 2.5 straight months) but then i got cold feet and didn't want to sully the sanctity of p&j voting

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Thursday, 29 December 2011 23:04 (nine years ago) link

i was gonna vote for riff raff's uncuct cocaine cypher freestyle #1 (which is prob my most listened to... thing of the year, or at least the only thing that was in my head for 2.5 straight months) but then i got cold feet and didn't want to sully the sanctity of p&j voting them to confuse my ballot with forks'

uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Thursday, 29 December 2011 23:14 (nine years ago) link

nah riff raff didn't make a video of himself cooking breakfast while he freestyled (...that i know of)

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Thursday, 29 December 2011 23:28 (nine years ago) link

yeah, but he did bring the rice out

dark side of the goon (furnace mane), Thursday, 29 December 2011 23:29 (nine years ago) link

lol @ "nas in paris" btw

dark side of the goon (furnace mane), Friday, 30 December 2011 00:02 (nine years ago) link

i was gonna vote for riff raff's uncuct cocaine cypher freestyle #1 (which is prob my most listened to... thing of the year, or at least the only thing that was in my head for 2.5 straight months) but then i got cold feet and didn't want to sully the sanctity of p&j voting them to confuse my ballot with forks'

― uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:14 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

ha i already made amends w/ this (and w/ forks) in a thread on originilx

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:02 (nine years ago) link

heh i felt that way about only having three and having drake as my top rap album

really? really? i...

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:06 (nine years ago) link

wtf causes someone to have such a big turnaround on drake?

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:07 (nine years ago) link

Being in love.

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 02:16 (nine years ago) link

ha!

i always rate pop rap really high and i think it's the most adventurous & surprising & sonically pleasing pop rap album of the year

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:18 (nine years ago) link

its not bad homies first drake joint to sonically please meh.

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:27 (nine years ago) link

more or less

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:28 (nine years ago) link

kl0pper's room

How many days after a period? Started by Tuomas in December 2011 (v-shasty), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:29 (nine years ago) link

like uh lex drake was worthless ringtone soap opera quasi-rap myspace top 8-oh8s-and-cheesecake for a solid three years and now is making dubquake hipstamatic dank-ocean screwpop aw man cuz man we in your face ay

uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:47 (nine years ago) link

#hashtag

uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:49 (nine years ago) link

ಠ_ಠ

(9ò_ó)=@ (є(٥_ ٥)э), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:52 (nine years ago) link

dubquake hipstamatic dank-ocean screwpop

so now it's MELLOW worthless ringtone soap opera quasi-rap myspace top 8-oh8s-and-cheesecake

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:55 (nine years ago) link

may be a neon murkmellow flashing-ing-ing lights iunno

uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:57 (nine years ago) link

whiney turned into luriqua so gradually I didn't even notice

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 02:59 (nine years ago) link

synths of suburban swampland get dark and kings in gold sports cars ride yesterday over echo drums

(9ò_ó)=@ (є(٥_ ٥)э), Friday, 30 December 2011 03:09 (nine years ago) link

synths of suburban swampland

kinda think this should be somebody's memoir

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 December 2011 03:13 (nine years ago) link

what is adventurous or surprising about wispy clouds of ~moody~ nothing?

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 30 December 2011 08:39 (nine years ago) link

^word, +1 to lex

Jai Alai, Friday, 30 December 2011 09:27 (nine years ago) link

whenever i see ballots that are 90% one genre, whether that's rap or techno or indie, i always think, um, do you listen to other genres? there is so much good music out there and it is (almost) everywhere.

degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 30 December 2011 09:54 (nine years ago) link

ok, well, to answer that question, yes i do, but i liked these albums more than what i heard from those genres

now u know

joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Friday, 30 December 2011 10:32 (nine years ago) link

90% one genre, whether that's rap or techno or indie, i always think, um, do you listen to other genres? there is so much good music out there and it is (almost) everywhere.

― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 30 December 2011

Kind of an interesting one this. Definitely 90%+ of..newly released music I listen to is broadly house music related. But this probably drops to about maybe 60% of all music old or new. When it comes to older music (both new to me and already known to me) the spectrum is a lot wider. I'm not all that sure why it should be so narrow in one aspect and so wide in another - perhaps could make a possibly spurious argument that the period of "old music" is a larger and wider time period than the period of 2011 which is just one year - not sure

april wowak, Friday, 30 December 2011 12:58 (nine years ago) link

so wait, deej if 90% of the new music you listen to isn't rap, what is the percentage? srs question

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 12:59 (nine years ago) link

at the beginning of the year it seemed like a foregone conclusion that the Tyler, The Creator album would do well in year-end lists and that seems to has pretty much dissolved, but "Yonkers" is still a lock to be maybe the highest rap song on the singles poll right?

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 15:02 (nine years ago) link

no doubt

uncle bannmee who can recall his past logins (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:00 (nine years ago) link

so wait, deej if 90% of the new music you listen to isn't rap, what is the percentage? srs question

― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, December 30, 2011 6:59 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

this year it was probably close to that. in years previous, dance music & R&B probably made up a combined 40%

joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Friday, 30 December 2011 18:22 (nine years ago) link

single genre ballots are the best ones this shld be obv

tumblr wights (є(٥_ ٥)э), Friday, 30 December 2011 18:28 (nine years ago) link

yeah they're more fun/useful to look at, like the genre lists spin did this year were cool

some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Friday, 30 December 2011 18:36 (nine years ago) link

i last year & this year i've make my ilx trax ballot exclusively charting singles & notable rap youtubes. i find that otherwise the process is too intellectually jarring & the result not as satisfying

wil smif, Friday, 30 December 2011 19:45 (nine years ago) link


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