I forgot to tell you guyses the story of how grumpy Dave Thomas was when I saw Pere Ubu a week ago!

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Pretty awesome stuff! He makes Mark E. Smith look like Tony Bennet!

So, yep, show was at the dreaded 400 Bar, always makez for bad vibes...

Band sets up...Thomas initally looks very grumpy/angry/totally bored...but friends in the know tell me this is how he always is.

Right away, he's not happy with the mix...halfway through the first song he angrily points at the sound guy, then to the keyboard/theramin player, then down to the monitors, and then makes a sudden "cutting throat" gesture across his neck...after the song, he asks for more vocals in the monitor and, oddly, "more lights on the stage"

Second song, the guitar amp starts wonking out, making noise...he cuts off the band, mumbles something about "technical difficulties" then marches the whole band offstage, into the basement of the club.

They come back out after some tinkering and play another song...this time everything sounds fine...mix was good I thought and the band sounds fantastic...BUT...Dave's not happy...he strikes the stage again, mumbles something and they all go in the basement again...I suspect he was now just mad at the guitar player, he seemed to be glaring at him.

(sidenote: My friend works door at the club and knows the sound guy, who said Thomas was miserable during soundcheck and screaming at the band members)...

So, they come back again, and play some more songs, even do Modern Dance which was cool...anyway, dudes in the audience are getting pretty into it and "woo!!-ing" etc etc...

Thomas starts talking about apologizing about the difficulties and people are hooting, etc...he then gets really mad at this guy and says "Have you noticed I'm trying to talk?! Are you that in love with your own voice?!" etc...dude kinda keeps hooting, but I didn't think in a bad way, just a rowdy lets have fun at a rock show way...

...so Thomas is getting madder...says "I don't need to talk. We can do this without me talking to you just fine."

also throughout...he keeps sitting down all the time...I don't know if this is because he's a bigger, older dude and has to or a "fuck you this isn't worth my time thing"..but yeah he spends a lot of time sitting down, concentrating on his Budweiser during the set...

So, set's going fine, then he starts talking again and someone cheers, so he freaks out and says "I'm THROUGH with you people. We'll finish this set so we can get paid."..

they play another song, which he cuts short, and says "Stop it, I don't want to play that, let's get this set over with"...plays like another song and then they are done...marches the band (who look morose) offstage...

After the set, he stalks out of the bar to smoke outside, then eventually ends up talking to this guy Chuck Statler (old skool mpls scenester/filmmaker who directed some DEVO videos and shit back in the day)....

My friend wanted to buy the tour-only remix CD of "Why I Hate Women" called "Why I Remix Women", so he goes to the keyboard player and the guy says he's been "ordered" NOT TO SELL ANY MERCH TO ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, but he feels bad so he does anyway.

All in all, it was pretty amazing! Really uncomfortable show, but the band actually kicked ass for like the 8 songs they play...(i got in free, people that paid the $15 cover were PISSED)

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

the drummer leaped off the stage and assaulted an audience member twice at the San Francisco show a few weeks ago.

akm (akmonday), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Calling him "Dave" instead of "David" has me picturing him from SCTV committing all those acts of surliness, which is the funniest mental picture I've had all week

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

or this guy

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/157000/157301bGIf_w.jpg

paresthesia hilton (get bent), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

this all confirms my suspicions about the total awfulness of Mr. Thomas.

Mark Prindle's review of that new album is very very funny.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

DT sounded really irritable on Sound Opinions a few weeks back.

DeRogatis: And you are one of the most engaging frontmen in rock history.

Thomas: When I'm in a good mood.

DeRogatis: When you're in a bad mood, too, though! I mean, we've seen you stomp around and become possessed -- you're someone else.

Thomas: No I'm not! I'm just, just ... it's just a story!

Then again, I'd probably be irritable if I was fielding questions from DeRogatis, too.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

And people call me difficult,imperious,perverted,monomaniacal,jaded,puffy,"out of it",crashing hard,off key,lordly......jeez

daniel seward (bunnybrain), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Why are all these BAD SANTA photos on the Chicago Tribune site?

David RER (Frank Fiore), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Bahahaha thanks for the Prindle tip sleeve.

Why don't you take a big squiggly shit in the foreground of every single track?

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

the squiggly shit was AWESOME in concert! dude makes hand gestures like a mad scientist on the therimin when he's teasing out the squeals!

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

The Modern Dance is still one of my favorite albums ever (listening to it right now), but I haven't heard much Ubu besides that and Terminal Tower.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i heard the new album at a friend's house, it's really good.

thomas's voice is...the same...whether that's "good" or not i guess is up to the listener. but i like it.

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

He was pretty nice when I interviewed him for the recent Wire cover story, but I could tell he was an inch away from psycho at all times, so I was polite & deferential. We bonded over love of 70s Midwestern hard rock (Grand Funk Railroad, Bloodrock etc.). Now I'm kinda bummed I skipped their NYC show.

(He's a diabetic, btw, and as I am one too I sorta understand the varying-energy-levels/mood-swings thing.)

Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't heard much Ubu besides that and Terminal Tower

dub housing is better than modern dance, imo. at any rate it's very very good.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

dub housing is awesome.

yeah, this all doesn't surprise me. ever been to pere ubu's web site?

latebloomer! (clonefeed), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah didn't we have a whole thread about Thomas and his insane rider demands? Maybe someone can find it in the cache.

Dub Housing has always been the next one I was going to get, just haven't got around to it...for 10 years.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll dissent on Dub Housing.

Tim Ellison is number one proponent of Beatle!!!Mania!!! on nu-ILX (tim ellison), Thursday, 7 December 2006 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I was write "Tim Ellison can eat..." but, oh, never mind. That would not come off as a joke.

I cast one more vote for Dub Housing.

My David Thomas story is, as usual, from decades past. he went absolutely balistic at having his, then new 12", being sold on a merch table, next to Diamanda's "Litanies of Satan".

When I read the thread title I thought, "what else is new", but the story rose above.

I especially applaud the use of "guyses" BTW.

factcheckr (factcheckr), Thursday, 7 December 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

He was really affable and friendly at the NYC show and kept commenting on that very fact. He sat down in the middle of songs at that show as well (and drank Remy Martin straight from the bottle) as well, so I think that's just something he does. He sold merch himself after the show. They also fucking played "Final Solution" and "Sonic Reducer" back-to-back.

The insane rider demands are here: http://www.ubuprojex.net/protocols.html

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Thursday, 7 December 2006 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah dub housing is completely classic.

paresthesia hilton (get bent), Thursday, 7 December 2006 05:31 (seventeen years ago) link

As for giveaways that's up to you. I never like them cuz I hate giving stuff away so it depends on whether the promotional advantage is worth promoting a welfare-state mentality within the populace of the US

paresthesia hilton (get bent), Thursday, 7 December 2006 05:41 (seventeen years ago) link

He was really affable and friendly at the NYC show and kept commenting on that very fact. He sat down in the middle of songs at that show as well (and drank Remy Martin straight from the bottle), so I think that's just something he does.

Yeah, that's his M.O. He was doing that at a Rocket From The Tombs show a couple years back (only with whatever drink he had loaded up in a hip flask)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

wow that protocol document is awesome!

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 December 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

My favorite part of the protocols of the elders of ubu is the in-store appearences. I'm going to modify this for parties I'm invited to, to send a copy in advance to the hosts:

In-Store Appearances
Please note the following guidelines for in-stores. These are not meant to discourage in-stores, simply to ensure that they're successful as well as being enjoyable for all concerned.

Definitions:

IN-STORE means band members make an announced appearance at a record store.
MEET & GREET means band members make "private" appearances.
Note that Pere Ubu does not do in-store performances as a full band.

1. Please remember that all in-store appearances must be approved in advance.

2. Mr Thomas gets nervous when the record store owner / manager offers free cds or merchandise. Should the record store want to make a gift the transaction shall be handled by a third party (the Record Company rep). The third party shall approach Mr Thomas discreetly, describing what gift is offered. Mr Thomas will then okay a formal presentation at which brief, formal speeches of presentation and acceptance are made.

3. The Record Company representative must do the following:

Immediately on arrival introduce Mr Thomas to as many people as possible, pointing out interesting facts & aiding the flow of conversation. Do not let Mr Thomas stand around like a lemon.

IN-STORE ONLY: As soon as possible Mr Thomas must be guided to a chair from which he may play his accordion & dominate the immediate space in an absolutist manner.

Mr Thomas should not be referred to as "Dave" or touched in an overly familiar way. His name is "David." Shaking hands is all the physical contact that should be needed.

4. The record store MUST NOT play any Pere Ubu recordings for the duration of Mr Thomas' visit. It is simply too embarrassing, draws undue attention to his presence & most importantly forces him to withdraw into a protective shell of weird uncommunicativeness. This is not desirable.

5. Please remember that the first 30 seconds of arrival in-store sets the tone for the entire episode. If Mr Thomas is allowed to slip into an Outcast Lemon Mode you will have an unsatisfactory experience. INTRODUCE HIM. ENCOURAGE CONVERSATION. TAKE UP ANY SLACK. If you know a fan who wants to meet him then by all means introduce them. Mr Thomas prefers ordinary people. He wants to be approached. He wants to talk.

Mr Thomas can be the most charming & exciting personality if very simple steps are taken to avoid awkwardness. Once he gets rolling there are no problems, you can sit back, relax & observe a professional smarming his way into the hearts of all around him. The initial stages, however, are critical.

MEET & GREETs are not a problem because of the informal nature of the event.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I love that. It's easier to keep an African Violet happy, it seems.

forces him to withdraw into a protective shell of weird uncommunicativeness

No tips for preventing him from turning into a confrontational dickhead?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Do not let Edward III stand around like a lemon.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 7 December 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i've never listened to Pere Ubu but that whole thing is amazing. some of it's a little unreasonable but delivered with a smirking admission that it's unreasonable, and a lot of it makes a ton of sense. i can totally understand a band putting together hard and fast rules like that, especially if they've been doing it for decades. i might do that kind of thing with a band someday, although it wouldn't be nearly as strict.

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, some of it sounds reasonable, but "INTRODUCE HIM. ENCOURAGE CONVERSATION. TAKE UP ANY SLACK" sounds like stern instructions for taking care of someone's retarded child. He can't possibly be that socially inept. He's just turned into a crank.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

grow a sense of humour dude

hank s1ockli (hanks1ockli), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

That dog don't hunt, slocki.

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Guide for people going to faps.

M Grout (Mark Grout), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the document. David Thomas should get into confrontational mode and rap on some Jay-Z tracks. "Pere Ubu! We be runnin' this rock shit!"

A Radio Picture (Factory Sample Not For Sale), Thursday, 7 December 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost The bar MUST NOT play any Lily Allen recordings for the duration of the ILXors' visit. It is simply too embarrassing, draws undue attention to their presence & most importantly forces them to withdraw into a protective shell of weird uncommunicativeness.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Friday, 8 December 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I the only one who thinks that document is fair enough and reasonable?

M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 8 December 2006 08:38 (seventeen years ago) link

No.

A Radio Picture (Factory Sample Not For Sale), Friday, 8 December 2006 09:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Good.

I can imagine the scenario.

DT turns up, record shop staff go "oh my god, the deity is here, I'm scared" meantime DT is cast back to his childhood and enters 'loner' mode. etc.

People don't generally know how to talk to 'stars' or even other people quite often. This list gives them a straightforward 'in' and how to approach the god.

Fair play to it, I say.

M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 8 December 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Shaking hands is all the physical contact that should be needed.

so no groupies offering blowjobs ey?

i saw about 15 minutes of a PU show, didn't really excite me enough to stay for the rest of it. i mean, shit, i like pere ubu but the guy's an ass.

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 8 December 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i only have dub housing which i bought once thinking it was a reggae album for £1 because it had lost its cover. it was very very good though. what else should i get?

also - has he got autism or something?

wogan lenin (doglatin), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

You really are an idiot.

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't see why that is such an idiotic statement.

wogan lenin (doglatin), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

question, even.

wogan lenin (doglatin), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

What exactly makes you think Dave Thomas has autism? Maybe Asperger's, I guess, but it's probably a form of depression.

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i only have dub housing which i bought once thinking it was a reggae album for £1 because it had lost its cover. it was very very good though. what else should i get?
also - has he got autism or something?

-- wogan lenin (doglati...), December 8th, 2006 3:32 PM. (later)


Funnily enough, I was at a local radio football match, the kind where they used to give out records at half time. (and my mate was a sucker for a freebie). Anyway, this DJ handed a family a copy of "The Modern Dance" Pere Ubu lp (Mercury, back in 1977). "Ooh, lovely, I like disco" said the wifey. I could have told them, they wouldn't have believed me...

M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

aspergers is linked to autism, and is pretty much what i meant. not wanting to be touched, having to know exactly what is happening at all times, obsession with time, routine and detail, perfectionism... it's kind of classic aspergers stuff. then again he might just be very wise and codgery.

wogan lenin (doglatin), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Or he could be a dude in a band who likes being on time and not having to deal with stupid bullshit.

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link

And everyone with half a brain knows Aspergers is linked to autism, so if that's what you mean, you should have posted it and meanwhile unless you are a doctor, maybe avoid diagnosing people who are a little different and or difficult and enjoy the wonderful variety that is the human race. I certainly think the document is reasonable, if a little off beat and weird but so what.

Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh, that's true. he's probably sick of it. still, if you don't like things going awry, why be in a band at all?

what have you got against people with half a brain? fwiw, one of my oldest and dearest friends has aspergers so i'm not doing any slagging off, just suggesting a possibility.

wogan lenin (doglatin), Friday, 8 December 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i really doubt he has autism.

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Mr Que, so what's wrong with your rather snarky remarks?

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 8 December 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

what else should i get?

Go straight to Terminal Tower, then Modern Dance. The Datapanik box is good but huge and expensive. Dub Housing is the last Pere Ubu album I can truly enjoy as a whole, although Tenement Year and Ray Gun Suitcase have their moments.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link

if you think dave thomas is grumpy, run into tim wright at a bar sometime. jeesh.

W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

HIS NAME IS DAVID, YOU INCONSIDERATE PIECE IF SHIT

whoop de doodle (kenan), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

*goes nuts*

*kills everyone*

whoop de doodle (kenan), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

hey, you're just being you...

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 9 December 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link


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