if minimal was a genre unto itself*....

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(*i guess it already is, lol)
... which tracks or artists would fit into the following subgenres?

• deep minimal
• electro minimal
• hard minimal
• progressive minimal
• funky minimal
• pop minimal
• scouse minimal
• uplifting minimal
• psy minimal
• goa minimal
• intelligent minimal
• folkminimalica
• and, of course, minimal minimal

this might seem like a dumb question, but... uh..... anyway, suggestions please.

― the world's best googlebait producer (flezaffe), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

omg stfu

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

that was my 'minimal' response, by the way

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

goa minimal = some AoA?

― jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

scouse minimal? they'll be returning the hubcaps next

― hb262 (hb262), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

all of those suck compared to classic detroit minimal

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

one minute you're slamming some poor dude furiously for repping for Detroit the next you're doing the same???

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

well of course he is, it's vahid

― mh (mike h.), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'd post a picture of Riley, Reich or Glass here if I knew how.

― dan selzer (dan selzer), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

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― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.its-behind-you.com/images/lisa_riley.jpg
http://www.denktag.de/homes/71/nazis.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

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― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

don't forget:
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― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/111/301597996_1d2533e20a_m.jpg

― blunt (blunt), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.harmonytalk.com/archives/htimages/terry-riley.jpg

― dan selzer (dan selzer), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.users.waitrose.com/~chobbs/Vexations.jpeg

― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

ffs ilm...this is abysmal...

interesting question but it's quite difficult....

I think it's more consumed house/techno/electrohouse than anything else, I suppose people (like me) always tend to omit other genres when discussing how big minimal has become.

• deep minimal-"deep" very hard to pin down but I'd say, and I don't like all of these, some are deep in a boring flavourless way, efdemin, lawrence, steve bug/pokerflat, anja schneider, someone else, henrik schwarz.

• electro (house) minimal-bodzin/huntemann, tiefschwarz, hug, m.a.n.d.y. sometimes, dj t, chloe.

• progressive minimal-again varying definitions of progressive, border community, ozgur can, plus all the increasingly boring sky was pink rip offs....

• funky minimal-I'm going to say tuning spork, jamie jones, claude vonstroke...

I don't really think of the house and techno I listen to at the moment as minimal so much, I mean it's the easiest way to define it to the outsider but really so much of the stuff within the minimal scene and on the minimal labels is just occupying a space between house and techno......

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

it's a pretty shit name. worse than most considering there already was a genre called minimal.

― friday on the porch (lfam), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

haven't we reached the end of genre names...I am pretty convinced every possibly genre name will be met with derision from now until the world ends in 2065

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.catholic-forum.com/SAINTS/fw000009.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

I heard contrived, formulaic, manipulative "minimal" all year. Maybe a handful of good ..techno records. Not nearly as many as within house -that is, "trad" house according to ilm but not meaning clamorous garage bombast.

― (blunt), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

So functional minimal ruled. So praktisch! Not unlike turning a piece of paper into a coke bag, or a design mobile phone, you can fold it and put it in your pocket.

― blunt (blunt), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

I might be being a reactionary rockist snob here but can I suggest Loco Dice for "pop minimal"? His productions always feel so lightweight and easy, I'm still working out if it's a good thing or not somehow.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Ronan's lists.

Loco Dice is in between a couple of the categories (funky, deep, techno and, yes, pop). He's certainly been brilliant this year - "Seeing Through Shadows", "Orchidee" and the two tracks I've heard from Harissa are all brilliant. Very much in the Luciano mould but there's a certain... inevitable compulsion to his grooves that's distinct, they build so perfectly. That bit towards the end of "Seeing Through Shadows" where the "straight" groove comes in is quite brilliant, one of the moments of the year for me.

As per Ronan, for me "minimal" is basically now a codeword for various types of negotiations b/w house and techno, with various "movements" within it simply different takes on it which favour one side of the other. For example "Deep minimal" (or "deepinal" to use Ronan's term! I like my portentous "The New Deepness") is basically a deep house-ish corrective to the techno-fication of a lot of this stuff throughout 2004 and 2005 (be it the muscular Sender end or the reduced M-nus end). Yes most of it has fiddly sound design but I don't think that's the underlying key to it.

― Tim F (Tim F), Thursday, 7 December 2006 06:40 (nineteen years ago)

phew, my answers would have been the same as ronan's, maybe i am finally getting the hang of these microgenres!

pop minimal = michael mayer, justus kohncke et al surely?

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Thursday, 7 December 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

"Deepinal" is a really unfortunate coinage.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 7 December 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've not heard "Seeing Through Shadows" in the right context yet clearly, I do get suspicious when the usual conservative house types suddenly start frothing about odd (minimal) records like that though, and you go have a listen in curiosity and find them to be... deeply average, but with a nice/dead obvious melody, you know? :|

He definitely has a sound/groove of his own in his tracks true, but they strike me more like being the inevitable knock-offs, than having an "inevitable compulsion" about them (ahem, witty (not) I know). Tim F OTM as usual tho'

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Thursday, 7 December 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

justus kohncke is surely not minimal in any sense of the word.

― friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

come on

― friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well to be fair I approached Loco Dice with immense scepticism owing to the arbitrary manner with which Mixmag declared him minimal's hero (owing to... what? "Jacuzzi Games"?), but he's totally won me over with his tracks this year. "Seeing Through Shadows" is immense I think.

― Tim F (Tim F), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

backs away from computer, turns off lights, runs

― friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Mixmag! Too cool for school.

― blunt (blunt), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

no beardo minimal?

― grady (grady), Thursday, 7 December 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

^ hi dere

― Venom 18, the autistic spy (flezaffe), Thursday, 7 December 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Deepinal" is a really unfortunate coinage.

makes me think of rohypnol, which seems appropriate.

― jelky (jergins), Friday, 8 December 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

deepinal was actually test industries phrase...i'm not mad on it either....

in one sense it irks me to hear more and more "epic string laden detroit" records coming out of germany...i mean some are amazing eg woody's remix of autotune, but it does feel a bit lazy, if these guys are going to go deep/housier something like "lohn and brot" seems a much more intriguing way of doing so...

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 8 December 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

'seeing through shadows' is sick, but is it not just deep house?

― rio natsume (rio natsume), Friday, 8 December 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

def. not deep house. also, from everything i've heard, his live sets are teh suck.

that, and lawrence is definitely deep minimal. and i would venture to say that some of luciano's stuff can get deep....

― the table is the table (trees), Monday, 11 December 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

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― jw (ex machina), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

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