You'd think that even the HOF can justify its aversion to disco and black artists by including Chic; Nile Rodgers has produced half of the artists in the room or nominated.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
guys the HOF is a joke!
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
"the red hot chili peppers, on the other hand..."
Exactly. Then again, either Dave doesn't have veto power, or he was way outvoted. I can't imagine for the life of me that he would argue RHCP (whom he hasn't expressed much of an interest in) should get in over Chic (whom he loves).
Also, if Dave had that much sway, the MC5 would've gotten in years ago.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
woah i didn't know Deep Purple wasn't in! crazy!
been listening to Made in Japan lately goddamn those dudes brought it live.
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Rush seems more objectively likely and/or 'deserving' of induction than pretty much everyone on jaymc's (very helpful!) list, except maaaaybe Steve Miller and Deep Purple?
Problem is, Miles Davis' ghost is on the nominating committee. And no way is Miles gonna let that sorry-ass non-playing motherfucker Steve Miller in.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't Steve Miller Band's Greatest Hits still the biggest selling catalogue release of all time? I know it was at some point several years ago. Throw 'em a bone, I guess.
I'm still in a fiery rage about Donna Summer being excluded AGAIN.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, that was just a bunch of names I culled from a work-related spreadsheet. I agree with you, although I would also add Kiss.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Other 70s non-inductees (all 60s rooted):
Nilsson (if Nyro can...)Grand FunkCaptain Beefheart (if the V.U. & Zappa can...)Boz Scaggs
― Tumblr Whites Off Earth Now!! (Sandbox Grisso-McCain), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
I actually thought Beefheart would get the "He's dead? Well, why didn't you say so!" nod this year.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, Grand Funk should've been on my list -- not that I think they deserve induction, but just as part of a catalog of big '70s AOR bands not in the HOF.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Scaggs is a big omission – and he was in the Steve Miller band.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
loooool tarfumes
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
steve miller isn't really that great, why should he be in the hall of fame?
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
statistically steve miller was in the top 10 in value over replacement guitarist for most of his career
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
stevermetrics
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
seriously anyone who gets mad about HOF inductees without consulting the VORG tables is just wasting our time
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
tbf the people getting angry are Rush and Cure fans
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
imagine the heartbreak of being a fan of both!
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
the complex misery of the prog goth
― n/a, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's like getting your face slapped by an ugly preppy girl in a standard 4/4 rhythm
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
^^New board description?
― Tumblr Whites Off Earth Now!! (Sandbox Grisso-McCain), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
ELO's not in either, unless I missed them scanning the list.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't this Ariel Pink's appeal?
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
Beastie Boys are an obvious choice, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are of course absurd (not that I completely hate them, and they got better beginning with "Under the Bridge"). I forget who else was up.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
BB and RHCP are on pretty equal footing in almost every way imo
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol, RCHP started sucking when they started getting mainstream attention, got briefly better when they went totally mainstream, then settled directly into a comfortable groove of "just bearable enough to sell tons of records" with periodic lapses into "fucking hell no"
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
I never paid enough attention to them to know the intricacies of their career, but they were better the more melodic they got; the earlier stuff I'd heard--"white dopes on punk" was how Frank Kogan described "Give It Away"--seemed so corny to me.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
uh
― PROVEN BY BOOZE SCIENCE, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
you know that "Give It Away" and "Under the Bridge" came out at the same time on the same album, which was their 5th, right
because your posts here make it seem like you are putting "Give It Away" into a much earlier bucket than "Under The Bridge"
also their first three albums are the best of their career followed by BSSM; the rest range from tolerable to wholly unforgivable to the point where someone should travel back in time and beat the shit out of the band before they could get into the studio and unleash this aural shitheap upon a world that deserves better
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Red Hot Chili Peppers ahead of Chic and Donna Summer is beyond bizarre even for the Hall of Fame. I registered only to express how disturbed I am.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
I did know they were on the same album, yes; they miraculously transformed from cliches to sort-of-okay between songs six and seven...I'm not the person to start analyzing the evolution of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Just making a general point from a non-fan's point of view: putting them in the HOF is silly.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I get kind of I WAS THERE about RHCP because my older brother was buying their albums as they came out and I'd never heard anything like them; the whole thing of skate punks really, really into/influenced by funk bands was really appealing.
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
No problem, there probably is an age thing here. If I'd been a few years younger when they came along--early '20s, say, instead of late '20s--there's a chance I would have liked them better. (Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
kiedis is definitely in the running for worst male rock vocalist of all time.
― tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it was definitely better when he didn't sing so much, considering that he can't really sing
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
whereas he was one of the finest MCs of the 1980s
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
(Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)
Not to worry; as soon as ham-fisted Chad Smith joined, RHCP have been about as funky as a faded L.L. Bean catalog.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Public Enemy really opened the door for their HOF inclusion
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
lol whiney blew a gasket a few weeks ago when i dissed chad smith
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
I remember that, apparently there are layers upon layers to talent to Smith that us non-drumming dudes are hip to.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
"of talent"
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
A backwards baseball hat is not a layer.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
Nor is the ability/inclination to play to a click-track.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
leave Will Farrell alone, it's impressive that he can balance his movie career with his duties as mediocre RHCP drummer
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
I wish the rock n roll hall of fame operated like sports hofs and used statistics w/r/t album sales and end of year lists so we could have sabremetric arguments like "did the small faces really have a HOF career?"
Having engaged in a few such arguments over on ILB, all I can say is be careful what you wish for.
http://www.workpump.com/events/2005/images/frustratedGuy-600px.jpg
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
i'm a drummer! whiney and i usually see eye to eye on drummers more often than not! but then lately he's been all "chad smith is the god, brendan canty can eat a dick"
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Feels like the Chili Peppers have been inducted every year for the past decade.
― Darin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
<i>but then lately he's been all "chad smith is the god, brendan canty can eat a dick"</i>
I believe you can have someone committed for observation in at least 38 states for making statements like this.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
seriously though, like i think the faces are one of the truly great bands of the 70s, their the rolling stones except you haven't heard every song like 80 zillion times
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
actually one of the only times whiney really gets under my skin is his fugazi trolling
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
For decades she had to deal with the stigma of having been booed at Monterey Pop, despite the fact that she wasn't. No one knows where this myth started, but it stuck with her even years after her death.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
Will Roxy Music ever get in? I know they're not as innovative and influential as the RHCP...(eye roll)
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 11 December 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
At this rate Duran Duran will get in before either Chic or Roxy.
― thewufs, Sunday, 11 December 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
Rob Sheffield is at Rolling Stone...
― clemenza, Monday, 12 December 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
The Bee Gees got in before the Spinners, so yeah, it's a safe (and fucking depressing) assumption that Duran Duran will get in before Chic.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Monday, 12 December 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
there are analogies and there are just random names thrown around as if they have any concrete relationship to each othere
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Monday, 12 December 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link