Kiss is another glaring ommission.
"Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot." -- Dave Marsh
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
dave marsh otm
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
"the red hot chili peppers, on the other hand..."
― n/a, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
pointing out that the HOF (or 'rock' itself as a cultural institution) privileges white people seems almost too obvious to talk about but in a year where two of the big inductees are the Beastie Boys and the Red Hot Chili Peppers it probably is a good time to force the issue (xpost
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, but see, I think Kiss is actually like the perfect band for that circus anyway. Seriously though, they were hugely influential and even though I think their music was mediocre at best, I can get behind them deserving to be in there for their cultural legacy.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
is Rush THE most canonical '70s AOR classic rock band that hasn't been inducted? there's gotta be others, right?
KissCheap TrickDeep PurpleSteve Miller BandGuess WhoREO SpeedwagonBadfingerBad CompanyForeignerJourney
(Last two arguably better described as '80s bands.)
― jaymc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Exactly, those two bands getting in are why it makes it harder for me to swallow the Eric B & Rakim and Chic snubs.
(xpost)
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
I feel like Chic will eventually get Ron Santo'd in. Hopefully Nile Rodgers doesn't have to die first.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
But maybe Jann Wenner does.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
Rush seems more objectively likely and/or 'deserving' of induction than pretty much everyone on jaymc's (very helpful!) list, except maaaaybe Steve Miller and Deep Purple?
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
You'd think that even the HOF can justify its aversion to disco and black artists by including Chic; Nile Rodgers has produced half of the artists in the room or nominated.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
guys the HOF is a joke!
― flexidisc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
Exactly. Then again, either Dave doesn't have veto power, or he was way outvoted. I can't imagine for the life of me that he would argue RHCP (whom he hasn't expressed much of an interest in) should get in over Chic (whom he loves).
Also, if Dave had that much sway, the MC5 would've gotten in years ago.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
woah i didn't know Deep Purple wasn't in! crazy!
been listening to Made in Japan lately goddamn those dudes brought it live.
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Problem is, Miles Davis' ghost is on the nominating committee. And no way is Miles gonna let that sorry-ass non-playing motherfucker Steve Miller in.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't Steve Miller Band's Greatest Hits still the biggest selling catalogue release of all time? I know it was at some point several years ago. Throw 'em a bone, I guess.
I'm still in a fiery rage about Donna Summer being excluded AGAIN.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, that was just a bunch of names I culled from a work-related spreadsheet. I agree with you, although I would also add Kiss.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Other 70s non-inductees (all 60s rooted):
Nilsson (if Nyro can...)Grand FunkCaptain Beefheart (if the V.U. & Zappa can...)Boz Scaggs
― Tumblr Whites Off Earth Now!! (Sandbox Grisso-McCain), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
I actually thought Beefheart would get the "He's dead? Well, why didn't you say so!" nod this year.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, Grand Funk should've been on my list -- not that I think they deserve induction, but just as part of a catalog of big '70s AOR bands not in the HOF.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Scaggs is a big omission – and he was in the Steve Miller band.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
loooool tarfumes
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
steve miller isn't really that great, why should he be in the hall of fame?
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
statistically steve miller was in the top 10 in value over replacement guitarist for most of his career
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
stevermetrics
― upper mississippi 2: still shakin, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
seriously anyone who gets mad about HOF inductees without consulting the VORG tables is just wasting our time
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
tbf the people getting angry are Rush and Cure fans
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
imagine the heartbreak of being a fan of both!
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
the complex misery of the prog goth
― n/a, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's like getting your face slapped by an ugly preppy girl in a standard 4/4 rhythm
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
^^New board description?
― Tumblr Whites Off Earth Now!! (Sandbox Grisso-McCain), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
ELO's not in either, unless I missed them scanning the list.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't this Ariel Pink's appeal?
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
Beastie Boys are an obvious choice, the Red Hot Chili Peppers are of course absurd (not that I completely hate them, and they got better beginning with "Under the Bridge"). I forget who else was up.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
BB and RHCP are on pretty equal footing in almost every way imo
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol, RCHP started sucking when they started getting mainstream attention, got briefly better when they went totally mainstream, then settled directly into a comfortable groove of "just bearable enough to sell tons of records" with periodic lapses into "fucking hell no"
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
I never paid enough attention to them to know the intricacies of their career, but they were better the more melodic they got; the earlier stuff I'd heard--"white dopes on punk" was how Frank Kogan described "Give It Away"--seemed so corny to me.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
uh
― PROVEN BY BOOZE SCIENCE, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
you know that "Give It Away" and "Under the Bridge" came out at the same time on the same album, which was their 5th, right
because your posts here make it seem like you are putting "Give It Away" into a much earlier bucket than "Under The Bridge"
also their first three albums are the best of their career followed by BSSM; the rest range from tolerable to wholly unforgivable to the point where someone should travel back in time and beat the shit out of the band before they could get into the studio and unleash this aural shitheap upon a world that deserves better
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
Red Hot Chili Peppers ahead of Chic and Donna Summer is beyond bizarre even for the Hall of Fame. I registered only to express how disturbed I am.
― gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
I did know they were on the same album, yes; they miraculously transformed from cliches to sort-of-okay between songs six and seven...I'm not the person to start analyzing the evolution of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Just making a general point from a non-fan's point of view: putting them in the HOF is silly.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
I get kind of I WAS THERE about RHCP because my older brother was buying their albums as they came out and I'd never heard anything like them; the whole thing of skate punks really, really into/influenced by funk bands was really appealing.
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
No problem, there probably is an age thing here. If I'd been a few years younger when they came along--early '20s, say, instead of late '20s--there's a chance I would have liked them better. (Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
kiedis is definitely in the running for worst male rock vocalist of all time.
― tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it was definitely better when he didn't sing so much, considering that he can't really sing
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
whereas he was one of the finest MCs of the 1980s
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
(Although funk in general is something I don't often respond to.)
Not to worry; as soon as ham-fisted Chad Smith joined, RHCP have been about as funky as a faded L.L. Bean catalog.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Public Enemy really opened the door for their HOF inclusion
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
lol whiney blew a gasket a few weeks ago when i dissed chad smith
― sockness, just sockness (Mr. Stevenson #2), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
I remember that, apparently there are layers upon layers to talent to Smith that us non-drumming dudes are hip to.
― I left my login in El Sandboxo, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
Seriously Link Wray not being already in the HOF is crazy.
― JacobSanders, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
HALL SO RONG
THAT'S LINK WRAY
...THAT'S LINK WRAY
― some dude (Mr. Stevenson #2), Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
not mentioned in this thread: The Spinners and The Stylistics
The Spinners were at least nominated; the Stylistics never even got that far.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
Moody Blues, anyone?
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 10 December 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
The Replacements, Motörhead, Roxy Music, Can, Big Star, Cheap Trick, Peter Gabriel, New Order, Joy Division, Gram Parsons, Kraftwerk, The Flaming Lips, Randy Newman, Heart, T. Rex, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Smiths
I'm amazed that the above got overlooked for Laura Nyro. If I hadn't read a biography of David Geffen, I would've never heard of Laura Nyro. I couldn't say the same for the rest.
― musicfanatic, Sunday, 11 December 2011 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
I always get Laura Nyro confused with Rykodisc.
― rusty flathead screwdriver, Sunday, 11 December 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
Also, Alan Alda or Aldo Nova.
― rusty flathead screwdriver, Sunday, 11 December 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
Alan Thicke or Robin Thicke
― Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 11 December 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
Possibly with Christgau's reviews lodged in the back of my mind, I assumed for years that I wouldn't care for Laura Nyro. (As a singer--"Wedding Bell Blues" I've loved forever.) But I quite like Gonna Take a Miracle, which I finally got a few years ago; recently bought Nested at a radio-station sale, and that's good too. I think it's exaggeration to put her in the HOF, but I like those two albums much more than I ever thought I would.
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 December 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link
Christmas and the Beads of Sweat is an alltime album for me, but it is hard to argue that Laura Nyro's importance exceeds that of Link Wray, Roxy Music, Deep Purple, etc. etc.
― sean doily, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
For decades she had to deal with the stigma of having been booed at Monterey Pop, despite the fact that she wasn't. No one knows where this myth started, but it stuck with her even years after her death.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
Will Roxy Music ever get in? I know they're not as innovative and influential as the RHCP...(eye roll)
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 11 December 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
At this rate Duran Duran will get in before either Chic or Roxy.
― thewufs, Sunday, 11 December 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
Rob Sheffield is at Rolling Stone...
― clemenza, Monday, 12 December 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
The Bee Gees got in before the Spinners, so yeah, it's a safe (and fucking depressing) assumption that Duran Duran will get in before Chic.
― Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Monday, 12 December 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
there are analogies and there are just random names thrown around as if they have any concrete relationship to each othere
― Mr. Stevenson #2, Monday, 12 December 2011 03:46 (twelve years ago) link