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Just talk about jazz you're listening to in here.
Listening to this Duke Ellington live at the Whitney disc right now -- so great! Lots of solo piano things.
Also listened to Footprints by Pat Martino this AM. I guess this is basically the kind of record Wes Montgomery would've made in the 70s if he had lived?

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 2 December 2011 17:31 (nine years ago) link

Listening to Sonny Rollins' Freelance Years box. The stuff with Kenny Dorham is sublime; Dorham was way more influential than his underratedness would suggest.

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:47 (nine years ago) link

ha, thanks for chiming in! thought this thread was a bust.
i really like that freelance years box set (and it can be found for very cheap!). Dorham stuff is great, Monk stuff obviously great. Way Out West, super classic. And that's just the start of it. On amazon for $20! Best deal ever.

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:01 (nine years ago) link

yeesh!

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:03 (nine years ago) link

Art Ensemble of Chicago - People in Sorrow

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 20:07 (nine years ago) link

Enjoying this album today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNBvxHw0NpM&feature=related

Brad C., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:39 (nine years ago) link

hmm don't know that! sounds cool.
was listening to disc 5 of miles' second great quintet box set this morning on the bus. weird period! kind of pulling in a free jazz direction one minute and a boogaloo direction the next. something tells me the band was getting pretty high before or during a few of these sessions.

tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 17:54 (nine years ago) link

Really enjoying this Dollar Brand special on WKCR.

wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Sunday, 11 December 2011 23:59 (nine years ago) link

That Nicholas Payton blogpost is getting linked alot and discussed on facebook and elsewhere.

Another Suburbanite, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:05 (nine years ago) link

Read about it on A Blog Supreme http://www.npr.org/blogs/ablogsupreme/2011/12/02/143059425/someone-said-something-negative-about-jazz-as-a-whole-again which linked to the original post and then an interesting overview of the reaction in the UPDATE by a trumpet player named Ian Carey that I know nothing about, but am trying to stay way clear of the larger internet beef.

wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:22 (nine years ago) link

anyone heard this yet?
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41g2GMbK0TL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
looks great, don't think i've heard any of it. probably of dodgy origins?

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 17:26 (nine years ago) link

Dodgy origin? Is it Sonny in cowboy country music mode?

wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:42 (nine years ago) link

just "dodgy" in that it seems to be on a sketchy european label. but I could be wrong? maybe sonny's getting paid for it.

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:44 (nine years ago) link

There IS something curiously Raesque about Mexican jazzbo Tino Contreras:

http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/24589.10

Not wild and woolly Ra, but 50s/early 60s/swingin'/exotica Ra?

Occidental Rudipherous, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:43 (nine years ago) link

Sorry I should have found a better word than "jazzbo."

Occidental Rudipherous, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:43 (nine years ago) link

Or imagine some of those experiments with choral jazz (or jazz with choral elements) except the choral elements are drawn from Hispanic liturgy (which I actually learned a tiny bit about recently--very tiny).

Occidental Rudipherous, Friday, 16 December 2011 03:17 (nine years ago) link

revisting... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwdRBWvPs0

shook, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:18 (nine years ago) link

I've noticed that a lot of jazz from the early 60s or earlier has recently been reissued as cheap CD reprints by various small labels, even if the album itself was on a major label. Is this because there's a 50 year limit in the USA before a music recording goes into the public domain? If that's the case, do the reissue labels somehow get access to the original master tapes, or do they just copy the music from earlier CD reissues from the original labels? I've bought a few of these cheap reissues, and the sound on them is quite good, so they're clearly not vinyl rips or anything, even though some of them have included albums that (AFAIK) have not been available on CD before.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:30 (nine years ago) link

Jim Hall with Art Farmer
Jim Hall with Paul Desmond
Jim Hall with Jimmy Giuffre
Jim Hall with Sonny Rollins

he was so damned good in the 60s. Not that he wasn't good after, I just don't like his sound as much.

Hurting, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:07 (nine years ago) link

don't forget his bill evans duet albums! those are out of this world.

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:46 (nine years ago) link

After retiring from drawing The Far Side, Gary Larson said the first thing he wanted to do was study guitar with Jim Hall.

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:02 (nine years ago) link

^ people who have figured out how to live

Brad C., Friday, 16 December 2011 16:03 (nine years ago) link

Yea, nice.

So I listened on Spotify to the first 5 songs of the Miguel Zenon new one and I like it BUT these are supposedly Puerto Rican traditionals but it just sounds like African-American jazz to me with no rhythms or melodies or instrumentation that would make me think Puerto Rico. Maybe I do not know enough or was not listening close enough. Still nice, just not what I expected.

Another Suburbanite, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:36 (nine years ago) link

Some jazz on Nate Chinen of the NY Times 2011 top albums and songs list

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/arts/music/ambrose-akinmusire-drake-the-roots-st-vincent.html?ref=music

Another Suburbanite, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:37 (nine years ago) link

Is there anyone on that list who is not a New Yorker? Most of them are young New Yorkers too. I like Akinmusire, though the one live set of his I've caught didn't quite live up to (high) expectation.

C.K. Dexter Holland, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:52 (nine years ago) link

Mazurek was part of the Chicago scene in the early 2000s, not sure where he is now.

Another Suburbanite, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:27 (nine years ago) link

They spelled tUnE-yArDs wrong.

wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Friday, 16 December 2011 18:30 (nine years ago) link

Mazurek was part of the Chicago scene in the early 2000s, not sure where he is now.

― Another Suburbanite, Friday, December 16, 2011 5:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

Apparently he lives in Sao Paolo now, but he's put out material pretty consistently since the early 2000s, (almost?) entirely on Chicago labels and often with Chicago musicians.

Hurting, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:09 (nine years ago) link

ugh just saw that bob brookmeyer passed away: http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2011/12/16/r-i-p-bob-brookmeyer/
not an expert on him, but he's on some great records w/ clark terry, gerry mulligan, stan getz...RIP.

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 20:10 (nine years ago) link

this one is particularly good, as you might guess from the players on it:
http://991.com/newgallery/Bob-Brookmeyer-Bob-Brookmeyer-An-442313.jpg

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 20:43 (nine years ago) link

whoa that looks good. I've never seen it before. Although early 1980s is kind of a jazz blind spot for me.

Hurting, Friday, 16 December 2011 22:40 (nine years ago) link

actually from 1964. tony bennett even shows up on one track. don't know why he didn't merit a mention on the cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcu6EigZrWs

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 22:54 (nine years ago) link

pretty wildly diff from what hancock, carter and jones were doing at the time, but pretty sweet nonetheless

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 22:54 (nine years ago) link

RIP Brookmeyer

I like the big band stuff better --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNkc3ot-J6Y

Brad C., Friday, 16 December 2011 23:08 (nine years ago) link

yeah i don't even know that stuff! sounds cool, though. he did some things with maria schneider right?

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 23:10 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, she studied with Brookmeyer after working with Gil Evans.

I've only heard a few Brookmeyer albums, but this is the one I liked best --

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mx56CkP9cGg/TCrp4uWRUYI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/iwv6YRasm9A/s1600/bobbrookmeyernaonw.jpg

Brad C., Friday, 16 December 2011 23:18 (nine years ago) link

cool, i'll check it out!
oh and a little research shows that tony bennett is not on the cover of that & Friends record because his track wasn't actually on the original album. just a bonus track on the reish.

in other jazzy news, just got these two records. kind of random purchases, but they looked cool while i was slightly drunk and internet shopping last week.
http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/h/harris_barr_magnifice_102b.jpg
http://jazzsermon.com/wp-content/uploads//2009/02/heathbig.jpg

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 23:33 (nine years ago) link

good brookmeyer article from a few years back here: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/12/arts/music/12broo.html?scp=3&sq=bob%20brookmeyer&st=cse

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 16 December 2011 23:48 (nine years ago) link

Love his description of Basie in that article: "Whereas other people seemed to take music and pound it into the ground — bounce it off the earth — Basie came from under the crust of the earth and through your feet."

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Saturday, 17 December 2011 04:15 (nine years ago) link

so this Barry Harris record is pretty awesome! realizing he's on various records I already have (eg Sidewinder), but this is the first thing I've heard where he's the leader. very bud powell-y but with a little more easygoing vibe. really nice, almost psychedelic track "sun dance." recommended!

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 19:39 (nine years ago) link

Oh yeah, that's a good album.

wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 20:22 (nine years ago) link

Listening to David Binney's Barefooted Town. He's an alto saxophonist with whom I'm not really familiar, but the album has Ambrose Akinmusire, Mark Turner and David Weiss on it, and it's on Criss Cross, so I had a pretty good idea what it would sound like (slightly adventurous, moderately swinging post-bop) before I pressed play. So far I'm liking it.

誤訳侮辱, Friday, 23 December 2011 02:29 (nine years ago) link

Bought this Mahavishnu Orchestra box. You have to join the site to purchase, but it's free and totally worth it, as I'll explain. I ordered the box on Thursday, free shipping; they upgraded it to UPS Next Day Air, still for free, and I got it at 10:30 AM today. I'd heard almost everything in the box before, obviously. What sold me was what should sell you - a 64-minute bonus disc of additional material from the concerts recorded for Between Nothingness and Eternity. I'm listening to that right now, and it's fucking mind-blowing shredtastic prog-skronk. Seriously, holy shit. Totally worth it. Plus Between has been remastered (the old CD didn't sound all that great compared with the studio albums) and there's a 15-minute live version of "The Noonward Race" appended to The Inner Mounting Flame.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 25 December 2011 01:13 (nine years ago) link

It says $38.99

wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Sunday, 25 December 2011 01:23 (nine years ago) link

Oh wait, now I get it. joining the site is free, the shipping and the upgrade were free, but the box itself is not free.

wang dang google doodle (James Redd), Sunday, 25 December 2011 01:32 (nine years ago) link

Nearing the end of the Eric Dolphy Prestige box. Most of it is, as expected, unfuckwithable. But the live material with a European pick-up group is frustrating. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a better/worse example of the gap between the leader and the rest of the group being so massive.

(That said, Last Date was recorded with a European pick-up group, but one that includes Han Bennink and Misha Mengelberg)

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Sunday, 25 December 2011 04:41 (nine years ago) link

i just sussed Dolphy Live in Berlin the other day and i agree about the gap, but i don't mind it when ED's playing is as godlike as it is.

listening to Johnny Griffin - Grab This!(1962), a tenor and organ (Paul Bryant)date and another great one led by the most underrated saxman imo.
next up - Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis & Johnny Griffin - Battle Station (1960)

enter sandbox, Sunday, 25 December 2011 17:36 (nine years ago) link

i don't think i've heard any of those final euro dolphy recordings except for last date -- but i love last date. the band isn't amazing necessarily, but i kind of dig the way dolphy adjusts to their more straight aheadness. depressing though -- if ever a musician sounded "full of life" it'd be dolphy, no matter what the context. ridiculous that he passed away so early.

tylerw_sandbox, Sunday, 25 December 2011 17:52 (nine years ago) link

Last Date is good, but yeah, a little stiff. But I've always liked Bennink, so it's interesting to me as a document of his playing from so early in his development. What's incredible to me is that, like you said, Dolphy adjusts to the straight-aheadedness of these groups, but never sounds the least bit constrained by them.

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Monday, 26 December 2011 00:30 (nine years ago) link

Jazzy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOYnzyKGGDU

zat you, wrinklepaws? (James Redd), Monday, 26 December 2011 02:58 (nine years ago) link

Listening to the Ken Nordine 2CD set You're Getting Better: The Word Jazz Dot Masters. From 2005, long out of print. I used to hear this guy on Dr. Demento's radio show when I was in junior high; haven't heard any of his stuff since.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 26 December 2011 03:02 (nine years ago) link

He did an interview on WFMU
a few years ago iirc

zat you, wrinklepaws? (James Redd), Monday, 26 December 2011 03:17 (nine years ago) link

jeez, rough month for jazzy RIPs -- Sam Rivers just passed away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxMIiTW59Co

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 15:50 (nine years ago) link

RIP

illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Tuesday, 27 December 2011 15:53 (nine years ago) link

there seems to be a bajillion of these kinds of things popping up for sale on amazon
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XrZmmRBLL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
anybody gotten any? they're super cheap. just wondering if the sound is terrible, or the packaging is terrible or what. what's the catch!?

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 20:52 (nine years ago) link

I'm assuming they're like those Proper box sets where the copyright has passed wherever they're printing them up and they just use the latest remastered cd as the baseline. Totally sketchy but I still end up buying them.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 20:58 (nine years ago) link

Though I haven't bought the MJQ or any post-war stuff.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 20:59 (nine years ago) link

yeah that's what i assumed, some kind of public domain thing going into effect in some european country. prices are ridiculously tempting. that mjq thing is going for about $10 on amazon.

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:07 (nine years ago) link

Go for it and report back!

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:09 (nine years ago) link

i don't know, that sounds a little bit too ~adventurous~ for me...

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:18 (nine years ago) link

The Hank Mobley set looks pretty great; I already have all that stuff, but as a first purchase for a new listener it's kinda ideal.

誤訳侮辱, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:49 (nine years ago) link

yeah i think i have most of that...was leaning towards the Three Sounds set, because I barely ever see CDs of a few of those records.

tylerw_sandbox, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 21:51 (nine years ago) link

This might be sacrilegious to mention on a proper jazz thread, but I've been listening to Michael Franks first 4 records constantly. Really love the first self titled one from 73, but all of them have really great moments.

JacobSanders, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 23:07 (nine years ago) link

Who is "Popsicle Toes" holding up?

zat you, wrinklepaws? (James Redd), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 01:40 (nine years ago) link

Mazurek was part of the Chicago scene in the early 2000s, not sure where he is now.

― Another Suburbanite, Friday, December 16, 2011 5:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

Apparently he lives in Sao Paolo now, but he's put out material pretty consistently since the early 2000s, (almost?) entirely on Chicago labels and often with Chicago musicians.

― Hurting, Friday, December 16, 2011 7:09 PM (1 week ago)

the other dudes on that album listed are Chicago dudes.

nebneb cherry's ruffalo stance (sarahel), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 02:08 (nine years ago) link

I've always been sort of curious about the economics of being a jazz artist who records a lot, or especially who recorded a lot back in the day. They made these records that would sell, idk, a few thousand copies on the first run? 10K? 20K? And probably not a modern indie-label style royalty deal either. But they make dozens of them over a career just as a leader (even assuming they don't get royalties on sideman dates), and then they keep getting re-pressed, reissued, and there's always that small core group of jazz fans who keeps buying.

Hurting, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 14:57 (nine years ago) link

i wonder about that too, though i have no answers for you...like, does Hank Mobley's family get money when someone buys a copy of Soul Station on CD?

tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 15:30 (nine years ago) link

Afraid to ask about that one. I assume it doesn't add up to that much even for a Hank Mobley and that is why lots of jazz musicians these days get masters degrees so that they can teach.

zat you, wrinklepaws? (James Redd), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 15:35 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i'm sure that even if they're getting some kind of royalty checks for reissues of old albums, it's not a ton of money. i assume some of those 50s records were just made for a flat fee. come in, record 5 songs, get $500 or something and sign away the rights to the recordings forever. which probably seemed like a good deal at the time, but 50 years and a dozen repackagings later, maybe not.

tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 15:38 (nine years ago) link

Other way to ramp it up would be some composer royalties if you got a song on a big soundtrack or some kind of crossover artist like Mrs. Elvis Costello covered you.

zat you, wrinklepaws? (James Redd), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 15:41 (nine years ago) link

Today OTOH you have guys who probably get better deals but are not going to be seeing RVG editions of their records because the 'classic jazz' era is sort of over. Like I can't even imagine how small sales of something like a Criss Cross release must be, although perhaps I'm underestimating Europe.

Hurting, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 15:46 (nine years ago) link

Jimmy Heath was on (national network prime time) tv last night. I wondered, when was the last time that happened, if ever?

(He killed, btw)

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 23:28 (nine years ago) link

what was he on? that jimmy heath album i posted about upthread is great btw. hard bop meets semi-big band kind of thing.

tylerw_sandbox, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 23:38 (nine years ago) link

Did he talk about his book? Was is from Flushing Town Hall or somewhere else?

zat you, wrinklepaws? (James Redd), Thursday, 29 December 2011 00:26 (nine years ago) link

He was part of the group paying tribute to Sonny Rollins on the Kennedy Center Honors show. Also playing were Joe Lovano, Christian McBride, Ravi Coltrane, Jack DeJohnette, Benny Golson, Roy Hargrove, and a young unknown named Herbie Hancock. The played "Sonnymoon For Two," "St. Thomas," and I think one other tune. Everyone was great, but for me, Heath was the highlight.

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Thursday, 29 December 2011 03:38 (nine years ago) link

cool stuff, will have to seek out clips of that show!
got the new miles 1967 "bootleg series" for xmas. amazing, essential recordings! i've heard a bunch of recordings from that tour, but it's worth it for the cleaned up sound. DVD is nice too, cool to see the band at work. major flaw, as some have noted, is that ron carter gets lost in the mix often, but them's the breaks for bassists. But it's too bad, judging from the DVD, Carter is working twice as hard as everyone else! Also, he is really tall.

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 30 December 2011 16:36 (nine years ago) link

in other important jazz news: http://www.firmoo.com/anthony-braxton-eyeglasses.html

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 30 December 2011 17:12 (nine years ago) link

That's awesome. As is the "translation".

EZ Snappin, Friday, 30 December 2011 17:33 (nine years ago) link

I believe those glasses employ frameless-lens logics simultaneously with the implementation of tortoise-shell-temple sublogics.

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Friday, 30 December 2011 18:00 (nine years ago) link

i tried on a pari and this is all i saw
http://tricentricfoundation.org/images/homepage_banner.jpg?1283892916

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 30 December 2011 18:10 (nine years ago) link

a *pair* that is

tylerw_sandbox, Friday, 30 December 2011 18:11 (nine years ago) link

Maybe check your prescription? I'm seeing this:

http://blog.wfmu.org/.a/6a00d83451c29169e20134803ca438970c-800wi

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Saturday, 31 December 2011 03:51 (nine years ago) link

Thought it was some kind of tribute to the late great Jackie Pari*s

P-Moose (Wants To Get Moosed Up) (James Redd), Saturday, 31 December 2011 03:54 (nine years ago) link

Tonight I have become a street team of one for this album: Count's Rock Band: Do Not Listen If You Hate Coltrane or Maggot Brain

P-Moose (Wants To Get Moosed Up) (James Redd), Saturday, 31 December 2011 03:55 (nine years ago) link

Streaming right now: Sam Rivers Memorial Broadcast

Tarfumes the Escape Goat, Sunday, 1 January 2012 18:30 (nine years ago) link

Should have realized that would be going on. Thanks,

I'm in the sandbox with the tombstone HOOS (James Redd), Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:12 (nine years ago) link

Can anyone tell me more about Christian Wallumrod? Really interesting style sort of on the border between jazz and modern chamber music.

Hurting, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:53 (nine years ago) link


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