official Sandbox making fun of Radiohead thread

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Actually I don't even hate Radiohead but there is nothing I quite like to popcorn.gif at more than ppl making fun of Radiohead then other ppl trying to defend Radiohead and then Radiohead doing something even more ridiculous and pretentious and stupid and the whole thing happening all over again.

So let us now anticipate "Radiohead: Live At Stonehenge" or whatever it is they are working on at this point.

And also theorise on whether adding a second drummer will turn them into Hawkwind or turn them into the Grateful Dead.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:40 (nine years ago) link

Because this gif will never stop being funny, let it start the thread:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9JMciR1E7dA/TWgTBH_MczI/AAAAAAAABLo/4qOU2_Vd7M8/s1600/tumblr_lh5637fCg51qzcik8o1_500.gif

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:41 (nine years ago) link

And also theorise on whether adding a second drummer will turn them into Hawkwind or turn them into the Grateful Dead.

The Glitter Band is too much to hope for.

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 10:48 (nine years ago) link

If Thommie revived his glam hair extensions to go with this, I for one would certainly welcome our new Glitter overlords.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:01 (nine years ago) link

One day they might be able to make album that sounds as good as this, but I doubt it:

http://www.recordsale.de/cdpix/t/the_glitter_band-rock_n_roll_dudes.jpg

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:09 (nine years ago) link

They did try their best, but they could never ~quite~ get the outfits right...

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/25717371/Thom+Yorke+748_1173649494_9950.jpg

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:14 (nine years ago) link

Contains the hits:

"Goodbye my Iron Lung", "Fake Plastic Angel Face" and "Don't make promises you can't Creep"

Xpost TIMING!

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:16 (nine years ago) link

would like some novelty epaulettes in the form of human hands to put on the shoulders of my jacket tbh

no-one writes to the (pomplamau5), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:18 (nine years ago) link

Do You Wanna Touch Me - Where? Where You End And I Begin!

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:20 (nine years ago) link

This is pretty C-grade fun-making. Disappointed in u guise.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:38 (nine years ago) link

cdn't care about The Radioheads in 2k11 but pretentiousness isn't really a making fun of thing, it shd be encouraged unless you are actively lumpen idiot group in which case ok ya funny

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:00 (nine years ago) link

The Radioheads funniness is more lurching about in search of stuff to do and then still taking years to do it even tho u might as well plop out a freebie experimental bubblegum album every three months why not

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:01 (nine years ago) link

Depends what is meant by "pretentiousness" really. I mean, guitar solos on top of megalithic barrows = A++++++ more of this, totally to be encouraged. Making tedious solo albums with Penderecki = just go away, please.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:06 (nine years ago) link

I mean, Penderecki, dude's been useless since the late 60s

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:08 (nine years ago) link

Radiohead are really best at their completely over the top, verging into self parody zone. When they're being all WE R SRS MUSICIANZ they're not nearly as good as when they're well aware of their own ridiculousness and doing it anyway.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:09 (nine years ago) link

nah it's probably fun to noodle with Pendercki, the ish is if beetle-browed critics get all beetle-browed over yr steez

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:10 (nine years ago) link

like maybe u can help who gives u serious thought but maybe u shdn't care.

k i'm officially at the end of the attention i'm going to give these dudes.

Julie Lagger, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:11 (nine years ago) link

Penderecki can eat a bag of dicks as far as I'm concerned. He managed to make Aphex Twin BORING which is quite an accomplishment.

More experimental bubblegum, pls.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:12 (nine years ago) link

I dunno, this is probably my perversity - that I become interested in bands, especially prog bands - either before they've done their Magnum Opus or after their Imperial Phase, when no one really gives a shit about them any more, and they're left trying to figure it all out and they can go back to hoeing their particular row when they don't really need to coz they're bathing in money or whatevs.

Alright, I confess. Twas when Thom Yorke decided to start styling his clothes and haircuts after minor members of Spacemen 3 and made the slow metamorphasis into a Dirty Dronerock Boy that I decided to give a damn about RH again. I am shallow and predictable and by making fun of bands I'm embarrassed about liking, it's really a way of making fun of myself. So there.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 12:26 (nine years ago) link

Penderecki can eat a bag of dicks as far as I'm concerned. He managed to make Aphex Twin BORING which is quite an accomplishment.

You watched a shitty Youtube last month, now you're telling Penderecki to eat dicks? You son should listen to some actual Penderecki

oPal, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:35 (nine years ago) link

U think King of Limbs will make the EoY list round here? Because then I will be officially making fun of ILX

ruth m4rcus is a mor4n (henrietta lacks), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:42 (nine years ago) link

I have tried with Penderecki, I have really tried. I have listened to proper compositions which people reccomend as "OMG this is the best." It is emphatically not for me.

But, y'know, that's why there's chocolate and vanilla in this world.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:44 (nine years ago) link

Coz I really haven't heard any Penderecki that didn't sound almost exactly like that old Spike Jones classic "duet for stradivarius and garbage compactor"

http://open.spotify.com/track/6B5KuMt251nga8eJUgyW1Z

Except, like, Spike Jones is actually hilarious. And people who listen to Penderecki, seriously, WTF, are they being ironic or something? I think they're just ~pretending~ to like it.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:57 (nine years ago) link

And did Penderecki ever inspire Blur to write "Beedtlebum" ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFps6r94whk

(I'd been looking for that youtube for ages!)

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:12 (nine years ago) link

Spike Jones = totally underrated genius.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:14 (nine years ago) link

they put out an album this year lol

dealwithit.gif, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:24 (nine years ago) link

It's actually kinda grown on me. The album they put out this year, that is, not Spike Jones, who remains better than Penderecki and in fact better than Jesus. It seemed so kinda... nothingy at the time. Slight. Slippery. Hard to get a handle on. But it's something that I've come back to again and again and kind of unfolds more layers each time I listen to it. There's something kind of hymnal about it.

Not an AOTY though, not by a longshot. And I still haven't actually opened the plastic bag it came in, which means it's quietly composting itself in the corner by itself. Like the songs were composting in my head.

But I like it more and more, especially on headphones. Mock all you like.

Actually it wasn't even TKOL that brought them back into my consciousness this year, it was that Oxford Indie rockumentary, Anyone Can Play Guitar, which I don't want to give any publicity to since the guy who made it is kind of a twunt. But it reminded me a lot of why I actually liked them in the first place. Back when they were just another cuet Oxford shoegaze band with ridiculous hair and lots of distortion pedals. Awwww. Nostalgia.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:32 (nine years ago) link

I still have a blind spot with that acronym for the album.

It involves The Kings Of Leon...

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:43 (nine years ago) link

radiohead are definitely the greatest band that I cannot muster a single drop of enthusiasm for

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:46 (nine years ago) link

I have the opposite feeling I think. I can muster so much enthusiasm for them, but I don't think they're the greatest ~anything~.

But I suppose their very ordinaryness and middlebrowness is kind of part of the appeal.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:49 (nine years ago) link

the fact that they could probably rattle off an album of enjoyable rock songs like "Bodysnatchers" but choose to dander off in post-everything land instead is pretty annoying

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:52 (nine years ago) link

Spike Jones = totally underrated genius.

His career is much more consistently great than Penderecki, who was only good when he was making an infernal racket

Tony Hart land (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:55 (nine years ago) link

They're the only band that, the more people slag them off or say why they don't them, the more I tend to exactly ~agree~ with them, yes, yes, all of that is very true. All of those complaints are legitimate. You are totally right, they are completely terrible in all those deeply flawed ways!

It's like Thom Yorke functions as a repository for all the flaws and deficiencies of everyone, packed into one tiny backhaired little body with terrible hair. That's kind of the point of him.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:56 (nine years ago) link

Why haven't they put out a song called 'Witchdoktors' by now. I know they want to

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 15:09 (nine years ago) link

I have found the place where RH should record their next live video:

concretehenge

Please make this happen.

Fotherington Thomas, Thursday, 1 December 2011 11:26 (nine years ago) link

COME ON!!!

Let's have a go, defend the indefensible: PABLO HONEY. It was GREBT.

And OKC, it's really not all that, it's patchy as hell and I skip half the annoying Jonny songs anyway.

Fotherington Thomas, Friday, 2 December 2011 15:52 (nine years ago) link

I like "Pop is Dead", so go me.

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 2 December 2011 15:54 (nine years ago) link

I love the Pop Is Dead video more than just about anything in the entire world, to be honest.

Fotherington Thomas, Friday, 2 December 2011 15:57 (nine years ago) link

you know, I like Little by Little and Morning Mr. Magpie a lot, but it irritates me that TKoL is afforded all these obligatory spots on the EOY lists for like no reason except of the name.

iagree (henrietta lacks), Friday, 2 December 2011 15:58 (nine years ago) link

what, "Radiohead" ?

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 2 December 2011 15:59 (nine years ago) link

It is just like The Law that if Radiohead release an album in any given year, it MUST be included in the EOY lists.

I want OH NOES to get over here so I can argue about CREPE and Pablo Honey with him.

Fotherington Thomas, Friday, 2 December 2011 15:59 (nine years ago) link

I think the Mercuries are safe from Radiohead patronage this time.

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 2 December 2011 16:00 (nine years ago) link

(or was it last / this year? It was, wasn't it..)

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 2 December 2011 16:00 (nine years ago) link

I think the only annoying songs on OKC are "Airbag" (which is not annoying in and of itself, it's just annoying that that there's a song before "Paranoid Android") and "Electioneering" (which, okay, is annoying). I do think the album has an often overlooked second half, just because "Paranoid Android" is such a monster of a song, but really from "Climbing Up The Walls" onward is my favorite part of the album.

OH NOES, Friday, 2 December 2011 16:02 (nine years ago) link

I was working in a record shop when Pablo Honey came out and it was really great for driving customers out of the tape department so we could close up early ahead of the rest of the shop.

(It was one of maybe two albums that record companies had paid to put on the heavy rotation list that I could actually stand to listen to, the other being Janet. But it wound up the customers so much they ended up begging me to take it home with me to get it out of the shop. Then Creep was a massive hit and my manager felt really dumb.)

I just remember seeing them on that tour, and for they ended up supporting the Jesus and Mary Chain at this weird sit-down acoustic Christmas gig (I have checked with my then housemate, yes, this really happened) and I just remembered staring at Yorke's hair thinking what a Thing of Wonder it was. Except my housemate really really took against Jonny Greenwood for no apparent reason other than she thought he was an arrogant cat. (Psychedelics may have been involved. It was a JAMC show after all.)

But come ON. Karma Police? Electioneering? Climbing Up The Walls? (the first time Greenwood's bloody Penderecki obsession made an appearance on a RH album)

Actually Climbing Up The Walls isn't that bad. But the only song on that album I'll really stan for is Let Down. Airbag is grebt tho. I love that whole EP. But Electioneering really is the worst thing ever.

Fotherington Thomas, Friday, 2 December 2011 16:08 (nine years ago) link

[crosspost] I p much completely disagree with you Ohnoes: I actually like Electioneering a lot, along with Climbing Up the Walls (though I have some reservations about that song)...

annoying songs on OKC: Fitter Happier, The Tourist, No Surprises, Let Down. A lot of my objection to that album though is its oppressiveness, Kid A seems a lot more vital

of course that doesn't apply to "Paranoid Android" which does in fact RAWK, and i--along with Lucky--favorite from the album..

iagree (henrietta lacks), Friday, 2 December 2011 16:09 (nine years ago) link

Let Down is lying down on the train tracks to watch the UFO hovering above

iagree (henrietta lacks), Friday, 2 December 2011 16:11 (nine years ago) link

I nearly wrote "Lucky" before Radiohead did.

So, i have a pretty good idea of the thought process behind it.

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 2 December 2011 16:12 (nine years ago) link

I nearly wrote "Lucky" before Radiohead did.

So, i have a pretty good idea of the thought process behind it.

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 2 December 2011 16:12 (nine years ago) link

I nearly wrote the previous message before I did as well...

(soz)

Ou est la showaddywaddy (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Friday, 2 December 2011 16:12 (nine years ago) link

.

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 12:26 (nine years ago) link

:) x-post

I'm not really OK but it's nothing that J-pop and getting better sleep / more light / shaking off this flu / intensive Vitamin D supplements won't fix eventually.

Fotherington Thomas, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 12:26 (nine years ago) link

To me, Radiohead will always be the "great band that wanted to be so much more" , and I'm starting to get a handle on why I haven't listened to them like at all the last few years

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:29 (nine years ago) link

so much less imo

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:30 (nine years ago) link

it's upsetting because I do believe they're great songwriters and that things like "Let Down", "Bodysnatchers", and "Optimistic" should be the meat of the albums, not the diversions

I'm in the mood to party (J0n Arbuckle), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:51 (nine years ago) link

I've become obsessed with Yorke's asymmetry. It's not just the ptosis of his left eye, his whole nose is slightly crooked, and his nostrils are two different sizes and shapes. In studies and tests, it's supposed to be the symmetry of a face that makes it beautiful, but he is so beautiful almost because of all those asymmetrically fucked up bits. Flaws in the midst of otherwise beauty capture and hold one's eye. Like the same way I think his voice is at its most powerful, not when he holds those impossibly high, floating notes, but when it breaks and jars and goes slightly whistley and sibilant around the edges. I hate when my brain gets on a locked groove like this. I know this man is a thoughtworm, not a crush. It gets intrusive and I want it to stop. I hate myself for the cliche of feeling this way. I know he'd loathe and fear me, too, for fixating. But what's one more person that loathes and fears me? There are already so many. Why do I think these things? Why do I say these things?

OCCUPY DEPRESSION (Fotherington Thomas), Sunday, 11 December 2011 14:21 (nine years ago) link

http://www.reachscottishbranch.co.uk/images/livejournal_x13x.jpg

Turangalila, Sunday, 11 December 2011 15:56 (nine years ago) link

Did you guys know that Radiohead is headlining (both Saturday nights at) Coachella? Now you do.

Bonnaroo, too, I believe.

C.K. Dexter Holland, Sunday, 11 December 2011 16:22 (nine years ago) link

Fuck a festival, tbh.

Turangalila, Sunday, 11 December 2011 16:28 (nine years ago) link

This thread is way better than self-harm. It's like punching myself repeatedly in the face, but without all the tell-tale bruises.

http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/news/2009/moderatnews.jpg

Awesome.

rekeningopnemer (Fotherington Thomas), Monday, 12 December 2011 10:55 (nine years ago) link

Radiohead is the best band ever but Thom York is ugly!

billy goat, Thursday, 15 December 2011 18:52 (nine years ago) link

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Thomosexual II (Fotherington Thomas), Thursday, 15 December 2011 18:53 (nine years ago) link

Can't wait to see them at BOnnaroo!

billy goat, Thursday, 15 December 2011 18:55 (nine years ago) link

Tom York was born in Holland, Missouri but grew up in Florence, Alabama. He served in the Navy as an aviation radioman-gunner during World War II. Tom York graduated from the University of North Alabama and spent eight years in radio in North Alabama.

In 1957, he joined WBRC-TV in Birmingham, Alabama as their sports director. He also originated the Tom York Morning Show (maybe America's first and longest running one hour local talk show) which was on the air for 32 years. He retired form WBRC-TV in 1989.

Tom York began working with the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame in 1968. He wrote, produced and emceed the ASHOF induction banquet for 27 years. His book is based on all the scripts he kept from these induction banquetsIn 1996, he was inducted into the ASHOF.

Tom York was awarded an Emmy by the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences in 1995.

t. silaviver, Thursday, 15 December 2011 18:57 (nine years ago) link

Christ, I've only got one government name that's perpetually misspelled by people. If I were Thom Yorke I'd be a perpetual ball of penned up spelling fury.

Thomosexual II (Fotherington Thomas), Thursday, 15 December 2011 18:58 (nine years ago) link

Ha ha I don't think that's the right guy!

billy goat, Thursday, 15 December 2011 18:59 (nine years ago) link

TynanDeLong Tynan DeLong
All I want for Christmas this year is for Thom Yorke to stop dancing.
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t. silaviver, Monday, 19 December 2011 06:40 (nine years ago) link

Tynan otm

that wiener from Emearlds (step hen faps), Monday, 19 December 2011 10:26 (nine years ago) link

only replace "dancing" with "singing"

that wiener from Emearlds (step hen faps), Monday, 19 December 2011 10:26 (nine years ago) link

only replacing 'singing' with 'recording, performing or otherwise producing any audible material whatsoever'

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Monday, 19 December 2011 15:47 (nine years ago) link

Next you'll be telling us you think Animal Collective are over-rated.

Neil S, Monday, 19 December 2011 15:49 (nine years ago) link

except acoustic covers of 'street spirit' tbf

xp i manage to avoid animal collective tbh

bloating forecast: ruff swells (p much resigned to deems), Monday, 19 December 2011 15:51 (nine years ago) link

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwf865NXFO1r3wutvo1_250.gif

jaymc, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:50 (nine years ago) link

Thom dancing!
Thom rolling on the floor
Thom moaning "I can't help myself"
You be the cooker
I can't see no difference in me

^^^^^^^^now I have this stuck in my head thx guise

Polemicist Who Slashed All, Freely (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:10 (nine years ago) link

No probs, it was worth climbing a cornish hill to get a decent signal for.

Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:11 (nine years ago) link

If I were Thom Yorke I'd be a perpetual ball of penned up spelling fury.

Well he chose to spell his name Thom, so serves him right

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:20 (nine years ago) link

Bet his parents chose it actually?

Polemicist Who Slashed All, Freely (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:23 (nine years ago) link

It's possible, his real name's Thomas so Thom is a tad pretentious

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:25 (nine years ago) link

Is it pronounced Thom, or Tom.

Y.O. Mini (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:27 (nine years ago) link

If he was Finnish he'd have probably called himself Thuom.

Dermot O'Leary is playing some beats/at night he's a TV presenter (snoball), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:29 (nine years ago) link

Thom Yorkie

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:29 (nine years ago) link

Thom Yhork

Dermot O'Leary is playing some beats/at night he's a TV presenter (snoball), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:30 (nine years ago) link

Thom Thumb

that wiener from Emearlds (step hen faps), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:30 (nine years ago) link

Zang Thom Thum

Dermot O'Leary is playing some beats/at night he's a TV presenter (snoball), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:31 (nine years ago) link

(a joek for the olds there)

Dermot O'Leary is playing some beats/at night he's a TV presenter (snoball), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:35 (nine years ago) link

thom girlth do

delonge and winding refn (p much resigned to deems), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:35 (nine years ago) link

þom ȝork

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:36 (nine years ago) link

Radiohead's next album gets medieval on your ass.

Dermot O'Leary is playing some beats/at night he's a TV presenter (snoball), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:38 (nine years ago) link

Dhoemm in Cornish haha it means hott

Speaking of hot it's actually freezing here but THOT you might like to see where I'm posting from:

http://twitpic.com/7vtkkc

Polemicist Who Slashed All, Freely (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:39 (nine years ago) link

OK Abacus

Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:40 (nine years ago) link

let's make a thread about yorke's hair

cock chirea, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:42 (nine years ago) link

I am waiting for this twunt with a telephoto lens + 2 shrieking children to get his arse along the coast path so I can get a move on argh. Still have reception this side of the rock.

Polemicist Who Slashed All, Freely (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:45 (nine years ago) link

xp let's make a thread out of Thom Yorke's hair.

Dermot O'Leary is playing some beats/at night he's a TV presenter (snoball), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 12:46 (nine years ago) link

Big Tham O'Yorke. A terrible man for the haircuts!

Polemicist Who Slashed All, Freely (Fotherington Thomas), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 14:08 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/JMl7A.gif

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Wednesday, 21 December 2011 20:34 (nine years ago) link

I have to thank dayo for that gif since I used it here.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 22:00 (nine years ago) link

Here is my Christmas Radiohead joke while I wait for the rain to stop:

What did Thom Yorke say to the tree? This is what YULE get if you xMASS with us!

(oh god I had to explain to an Irish person what a Yule Log was yesterday)

Polemicist Who Slashed All, Freely (Fotherington Thomas), Saturday, 24 December 2011 09:51 (nine years ago) link

I'm so glad I went out on the pier to post this! Snapped this - literally ending on mine house! (No pots of gold - pls do not stalk me. Thx)

http://twitpic.com/7xmznu

Polemicist Who Slashed All, Freely (Fotherington Thomas), Saturday, 24 December 2011 09:58 (nine years ago) link


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